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Trump to use military to round up asylum claimants

Winston said:
Facts are facts. On average undocumented immigrants commit less crime and are safer than legal citizens
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What about the real criminals that come in also?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Most do, and can compliment this nation. However, they still came here illegally. The left was so intent of persecuting Trump for his crimes. Time to persecute those who violated our laws, else you can be a hypocrite.
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This is kind of funny. Many Republicans wanted trump held accountable for his crimes until he drove them out or threatened them with primary challenges.

Do you really not recognize a gangster when you see one?

It kind of begs the question, why is it ok for him to go free when he committed felonies but you want to terrorize those who committed civil misdemeanors?
 
Winston said:
Trump promised you authoritarianism. You voted for him anyway. This is what you get. You wanted authoritarianism. You voted for this, not me
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I am good with just stopping illegal immigration. that said, I will not cry over sending others back.

Our legal immigration system already allows an average of about two million immigrants a year. These illegal border crossings need to stop.
 
MAGAnificent said:
Because that is the country the turds are attempting to enter from. Keeping them from entering Mexico is Mexico's problem.
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So, you also don't seem to understand that Haitians have to cross the open water. Unless you know of a teleporter in Port au Prince and are just keeping it to yourself?
 
MAGAnificent said:
Because that is the country the turds are attempting to enter from. Keeping them from entering Mexico is Mexico's problem.
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The Haitian immigrants in Springfield did not enter from Mexico.

You really are entirely ignorant on this.
 
MAGAnificent said:
Whatever it takes to carry out the deportations. And stop calling them migrants. They are illegals.
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They're talking about deporting legal immigrants and even citizens.
 
Winston said:
It depends on how they are here. Overstaying a VISA is a civil offense
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I think there is less concern over an overstayed visa, as they had the legal means to get here to begin with.

That is a different issue. please keep the straw out of this debate.
 
cpwill said:
It's an anecdote about a common practice. Noting officially that someone who has broken the law is here illegally brings additional work and paperwork - and sometimes fed attention (which local officials may or may not want). In sanctuary areas, this is lessened because they refuse to cooperate with ICE, etc.

Even inside the criminal justice system, data is incomplete. Few local jurisdictions are willing to release data on undocumented prisoners, and in the case of sanctuary cities and states, this is deliberately in order to avoid federal eyes and not differentiate between groups in reporting. Another result of that is that we get lots of illegals who do commit crimes, who then get to remain, regardless:

...A 2018 Government Accountability Office study found the problem particularly acute in sanctuary states. The average criminal illegal alien in California has six convictions, yet remains in the United States. According to a recent letter from ICE officials to Congress, there are 662,566 immigrants on an ICE non-detain docket—that is, they have been accused or convicted of a crime but aren’t being deported, including 435,719 convicted criminals and 226,847 with charges pending. This includes 62,231 convicted of assault (15,811 of sexual assault) and 14,301 convicted of burglary....​

etc., so on, and so forth. Catch-And-Release does leave criminals on the street where they do victimize more people.

You may benefit from reading both sides, on this one.



Nope. They already have the result that fits the presuppositions, and, you can't include data that doesn't exist. The data that exists for them to pull conclusions from leads to the conclusion they want to draw.

How would you extrapolate for "we know that these kinds of law-breaking events happen, but not how many"? The data isn't there to include, because it's never collected in the first place.

Again, it's like drawing up a list of all Democratic politicians who cheated on their wives, tossing in Trump's name at the bottom, and declaring that Democrats Are The Party Of Infidelity - my unwillingness or inability to include the full data going in means my result does not accurately reflect of reality.

In this case, I don't think we can say that - other than crimes associated with their status (which I do think should count) - illegal aliens are more or less likely to commit regular crimes, because the data is (deliberately) deeply incomplete.
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All the research I’ve done affirms the same conclusion. And it’s not left wing sources. I understand the quibbling about how they collect data. I find it difficult to accept that the conclusions are false because of police practice.

Even a basic inquiry turns up this:

Research suggests that undocumented immigrants are not more prone to criminal behavior than native-born Americans. In fact, studies have found that immigration is associated with lower crime rates and increased neighborhood safety due to factors like social connection and economic opportunity.¹

Data from various sources, including the Brennan Center for Justice, indicates that:

- *Crime Rates*: Overall crime rates, including violent crime, have trended downward in most cities with large immigrant populations since 2022.
- *Incarceration Rates*: Undocumented immigrants are 33% less likely to be incarcerated than native-born Americans.
- *Conviction Rates*: Undocumented immigrants are 47% less likely to be convicted of a crime than native-born Americans in some states, such as Texas.
- *Sanctuary Cities*: Crime rates in sanctuary cities are not significantly different from those in non-sanctuary cities.

It's essential to note that perpetuating the myth that immigrants are more likely to commit crimes can have detrimental effects on public safety, community relationships, and law enforcement's ability to conduct investigations.
 
MAGAnificent said:
The average rejection rate for asylum seekers snealing across the border is 85% Once again, it is just something the turds were told to scream if they get caught. Thoses with legitimate asylum claims can apply either at a legal port of entry or at an American embassy in their country of origin. The rest are the reason for the backlog. They know that making the claim just gets them a court date as far as three years in the future and quick release. Most never show up for the court date. As for the so-called bipartisan border bill, six democrats in the Senate also voted against it, including the likes of Senator Chuckle's Schumer and Senator Ann "Pocohontas" Warren. I am delighted that the insanely stupid border bill was defeated.
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"Turds"?.... dehumanizing makes it easier, doesn't it?
 
MAGAnificent said:
Because that is the country the turds are attempting to enter from. Keeping them from entering Mexico is Mexico's problem.
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Cool use of “turds” now do the thing where you call JD Vance wicked and Trump totally tubular.
 
DrewPaul said:
Someone has to clean up the mess left by the last administration.
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And you think all this 'round up and deport' bullshit is going to clean it up? Yeah, I guess you do.
Here's an exercise for anyone who really cares about the issue. Get the names of all the companies and corporations who donated more than $1M to either party. Break down each entity to all its holdings. Now take a real close look at who they employ. Not just menial, killing-floor peons either- tech is full of people who graduated on student visas and were greeted at job fairs and recruiting drives by people who don't care much about government paperwork. This exercise will show why neither party has the will to change the situation.
So the government tosses bones to the howling masses. And The Wall is just another bone. Most illegal immigrants cross the border legally.
 
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