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Trump says US stands with Saudi Arabia despite journalist Khashoggi's killing

Disregarding US intelligence and siding with a foreign government who executed an American citizen. How can anyone stand with Trump on this? Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe these traitors to our country.
I know this may be a distinction without a difference, but Khashoggi was NOT an American citizen...He had US residency while he was going through the process...

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Disregarding US intelligence and siding with a foreign government who executed an American citizen. How can anyone stand with Trump on this? Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe these traitors to our country.


He wasn't an American citizen. Merely a legal resident here.

Not that they would let it get in their way even if he was American.
 
This shouldn't be a surprise but many people are not going to be okay with this decision. We all sort of knew by this point that Trump wasn't about to put the Magnisky Act sanctions on Saudi Arabia. He just does whatever the hell he wants.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/20/trump-says-us-stands-with-saudi-arabia-despite-khashoggi-killing.html

Trump says US stands with Saudi Arabia despite journalist Khashoggi's killing


President Donald Trump says that the U.S. stands with Saudi Arabia in the wake of the slaying of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

In a lengthy statement, punctuated with eight exclamation points, Trump says that "we may never know all of the facts surrounding" Khashoggi's death, but "our relationship is with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia."

Trump told reporters Saturday that a "very full report" will be coming by Tuesday on the U.S.' investigation. But in his statement Tuesday, Trump appeared to cast doubt that the U.S. probe of the matter was complete.

Does this mean that if we could make enough profitable arms deals with the various MAFIA families that they would become legitimate alliances protected by the USA Military umbrells? Or, for that matter, the same for ISIS? Or since that would be an offshoot of Wahabism. are they already protected?
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He wasn't an American citizen. Merely a legal resident here.

Not that they would let it get in their way even if he was American.
If I were a US resident right now, I'd be extremely worried that the US president will sanction your murder if the politics are right.



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No it isn't. Not a single president at least in modern time has stood up to SA.
Which president has sanctioned the murder of US residents? This is your very own Sonic milkshake moment, enjoy it.

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If I were a US resident right now, I'd be extremely worried that the US president will sanction your murder if the politics are right.



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Citizenship would have changed nothing in the response to this. I don’t have an answer for what the US response should have been, but this stinks.
 
Citizenship would have changed nothing in the response to this. I don’t have an answer for what the US response should have been, but this stinks.

I think I might feel a little better if the person deciding on the United States' reaction to Khashoggi's murder wasn't guided by the profits he was personally making as a result of his relationship with Saudi Arabia. It's not unfair to say that the reaction would be markedly different if personal profit wasn't a factor.
 
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If I were a US resident right now, I'd be extremely worried that the US president will sanction your murder if the politics are right.



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Any U.S. resident who is not a citizen probably currently lives with permanent low level anxiety about what shoe Trump will drop next.

It's bad enough for citizens.
 
Here is the White House statement regarding the Khashoggi murder:



America First!

The world is a very dangerous place!

The country of Iran, as an example, is responsible for a bloody proxy war against Saudi Arabia in Yemen, trying to destabilize Iraq’s fragile attempt at democracy, supporting the terror group Hezbollah in Lebanon, propping up dictator Bashar Assad in Syria (who has killed millions of his own citizens), and much more. Likewise, the Iranians have killed many Americans and other innocent people throughout the Middle East. Iran states openly, and with great force, “Death to America!” and “Death to Israel!” Iran is considered “the world’s leading sponsor of terror.”

On the other hand, Saudi Arabia would gladly withdraw from Yemen if the Iranians would agree to leave. They would immediately provide desperately needed humanitarian assistance. Additionally, Saudi Arabia has agreed to spend billions of dollars in leading the fight against Radical Islamic Terrorism.

After my heavily negotiated trip to Saudi Arabia last year, the Kingdom agreed to spend and invest $450 billion in the United States. This is a record amount of money. It will create hundreds of thousands of jobs, tremendous economic development, and much additional wealth for the United States. Of the $450 billion, $110 billion will be spent on the purchase of military equipment from Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and many other great U.S. defense contractors. If we foolishly cancel these contracts, Russia and China would be the enormous beneficiaries – and very happy to acquire all of this newfound business. It would be a wonderful gift to them directly from the United States!

The crime against Jamal Khashoggi was a terrible one, and one that our country does not condone. Indeed, we have taken strong action against those already known to have participated in the murder. After great independent research, we now know many details of this horrible crime. We have already sanctioned 17 Saudis known to have been involved in the murder of Mr. Khashoggi, and the disposal of his body.

Representatives of Saudi Arabia say that Jamal Khashoggi was an “enemy of the state” and a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, but my decision is in no way based on that – this is an unacceptable and horrible crime. King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman vigorously deny any knowledge of the planning or execution of the murder of Mr. Khashoggi. Our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information, but it could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event – maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!

That being said, we may never know all of the facts surrounding the murder of Mr. Jamal Khashoggi. In any case, our relationship is with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They have been a great ally in our very important fight against Iran. The United States intends to remain a steadfast partner of Saudi Arabia to ensure the interests of our country, Israel and all other partners in the region. It is our paramount goal to fully eliminate the threat of terrorism throughout the world!

I understand there are members of Congress who, for political or other reasons, would like to go in a different direction – and they are free to do so. I will consider whatever ideas are presented to me, but only if they are consistent with the absolute security and safety of America. After the United States, Saudi Arabia is the largest oil producing nation in the world. They have worked closely with us and have been very responsive to my requests to keeping oil prices at reasonable levels – so important for the world. As President of the United States I intend to ensure that, in a very dangerous world, America is pursuing its national interests and vigorously contesting countries that wish to do us harm. Very simply it is called America First!

I can accept this as a reasonable and responsible position. Had Obama released such a statement in the given circumstances, I am pretty much 100% confident his supporters would have applauded this as the correct stance a statesman should take. I am equally certain that the knee jerk folks on the right would condemn it as 'weak' just as the anti-Trump people have or will do.

My prayer for this country is that we all set aside our problems with personalities and focus with intellectual honesty on the pros and cons of what is done, what produces positive and negative consequences, and what is or is not accomplished. Otherwise we will remain a nation divided into warring factions with little hope of ever being united.
 
Does this mean that if we could make enough profitable arms deals with the various MAFIA families that they would become legitimate alliances protected by the USA Military umbrells? Or, for that matter, the same for ISIS? Or since that would be an offshoot of Wahabism. are they already protected?
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Only if they give money to the Trump family, then they're golden. They can choke, torture, murder or dismember anyone they want, the US will look the other way. Hey, can't blame them, the Trump kids need the money, right?
 
I can accept this as a reasonable and responsible position. Had Obama released such a statement in the given circumstances, I am pretty much 100% confident his supporters would have applauded this as the correct stance a statesman should take. I am equally certain that the knee jerk folks on the right would condemn it as 'weak' just as the anti-Trump people have or will do.

My prayer for this country is that we all set aside our problems with personalities and focus with intellectual honesty on the pros and cons of what is done, what produces positive and negative consequences, and what is or is not accomplished. Otherwise we will remain a nation divided into warring factions with little hope of ever being united.

This President is making this world a more dangerous place.
 
I can accept this as a reasonable and responsible position. Had Obama released such a statement in the given circumstances, I am pretty much 100% confident his supporters would have applauded this as the correct stance a statesman should take. I am equally certain that the knee jerk folks on the right would condemn it as 'weak' just as the anti-Trump people have or will do.

My prayer for this country is that we all set aside our problems with personalities and focus with intellectual honesty on the pros and cons of what is done, what produces positive and negative consequences, and what is or is not accomplished. Otherwise we will remain a nation divided into warring factions with little hope of ever being united.

Obama wasn't personally profiting from the countries he had to make decisions on.
 
I can accept this as a reasonable and responsible position. Had Obama released such a statement in the given circumstances, I am pretty much 100% confident his supporters would have applauded this as the correct stance a statesman should take. I am equally certain that the knee jerk folks on the right would condemn it as 'weak' just as the anti-Trump people have or will do.

My prayer for this country is that we all set aside our problems with personalities and focus with intellectual honesty on the pros and cons of what is done, what produces positive and negative consequences, and what is or is not accomplished. Otherwise we will remain a nation divided into warring factions with little hope of ever being united.

The is not a responsible position at all. If anything this will more likely make MBS feelhee can do what ever he wants. I figure that unless reigned in harshly by the King we will have a Sadam type situation in SA in a decade.
 
I can accept this as a reasonable and responsible position. Had Obama released such a statement in the given circumstances, I am pretty much 100% confident his supporters would have applauded this as the correct stance a statesman should take. I am equally certain that the knee jerk folks on the right would condemn it as 'weak' just as the anti-Trump people have or will do.

My prayer for this country is that we all set aside our problems with personalities and focus with intellectual honesty on the pros and cons of what is done, what produces positive and negative consequences, and what is or is not accomplished. Otherwise we will remain a nation divided into warring factions with little hope of ever being united.
Starts off claiming in some universe Obama could have safely agreed with murdering a journalist, begs everyone else to be intellectually honest.

You can't fix that sort of delusion, kids.

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That is pretty much in keeping with the President's anti-globalist stance which is much appreciated by those of us who don't want the USA to be in the business of nation building or 'disciplining' other countries unless they force us into it as Germany and Japan did in WWII.

What would be gained by making enemies of an important middle east ally--an important trading partner and critical to many middle east peace initatives--because of the action of one member of the Saudi family? I know many members of Congress on both sides of the aisle think the Saudis should be severely punished for the murder of Khashogg but even the ring leader, Lindsay Graham, admits some caution is warranted in that regard.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ip-complicates-u-s-response-khashoggi-n920551

What would be gained is that Saudi Arabia would be sent a clear message that the United States stands by principles based on moral, altruistic and logical reasons. Saudi Arabia will be the poster child for any other powerful nations that choose to either suppress or simply destroy those humans they feel should be destroyed. It wouldn't hurt Saudi Arabia to learn a valuable lesson through via sanctions imposed by the Magnitsky Ace. The actions taken by Saudi Arabia to kidnap, torture, drug, choke and dismember a private citizen who is a legal U.S. resident is unacceptable by any humanitarian standards. The United States used to be the moral compass for the entire world, now we're no better than any other despotic government.
 
What we should do (and should have done years ago), is drop a few strategic nukes on the prince and his family. I mean, it's possible to drill for oil through glass, right?

Having to play nice with the Saudis is a big reason why the world should strive to create a viable fossil fuel alternative.

I would love to be alive the day the world switches to an alternative fuel source, and the Saudis oil becomes worthless.

Then we could sit back and laugh as the various states and factions kill each other over control of the sand dunes.
 
You could be forgiven for believing you were reading an article from the onion.

Your President, ladies and gentleman.
 
I'm not surprised you'd lie about what I want in the middle east and imply that I'm on the left.
You are...
You haven't presented anything even remotely rational thus far.
Ok, thanks for your opinion.

See? Laughably intellectually dishonest. They go press that described their murder of an America-based journalist in a foreign country. And they already fund terrorists. You simply have no idea what you're talking about.

Yawn. Clueless.
I have no agenda lol... there is nothing to be dishonest about... I may or may not be informed about something, but I am not dishonest. And I am aware there might be private individuals involved in funding some terrorist groups in Saudi Arabia, but I am unaware of the Saudi Arabia government itself funding terrorist groups outside the USA's permission... The USA and Saudi Arabia funded and trained extremist groups together, that Obama was involved in. Both the US and Saudi Arabia have been fighting proxy wars against Iran, Serbia, Iraq and Afghanistan for decades now.

Again what do you want? You want to make another enemy in the Middle East? One that has actually been trading and working WITH the US against terrorism in the Middle East?
 
You are... Ok, thanks for your opinion.

I have no agenda lol... there is nothing to be dishonest about... I may or may not be informed about something, but I am not dishonest. And I am aware there might be private individuals involved in funding some terrorist groups in Saudi Arabia, but I am unaware of the Saudi Arabia government itself funding terrorist groups outside the USA's permission... The USA and Saudi Arabia funded and trained extremist groups together, that Obama was involved in.

Again what do you want? You want to make another enemy in the Middle East? One that has actually been trading and working WITH the US against terrorism in the Middle East?

Meh. If all you've got are lies and laughable ignorance of the facts of the matter, I'm simply not interested.
 
Meh. If all you've got are lies and laughable ignorance of the facts of the matter, I'm simply not interested.

You've brought nothing to the table so far, it makes no difference.
 
Disregarding US intelligence and siding with a foreign government who executed an American citizen. How can anyone stand with Trump on this? Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe these traitors to our country.
He wasn't an American citizen, he was a legal resident.
 
What we should do (and should have done years ago), is drop a few strategic nukes on the prince and his family. I mean, it's possible to drill for oil through glass, right?

Having to play nice with the Saudis is a big reason why the world should strive to create a viable fossil fuel alternative.

I would love to be alive the day the world switches to an alternative fuel source, and the Saudis oil becomes worthless.

Then we could sit back and laugh as the various states and factions kill each other over control of the sand dunes.
You would be willing to go to war with a nation for how it treated one of its citizens? Would that same philosophy apply to every other nation on the planet?
 
He wasn't an American citizen, he was a legal resident.

So swapping "American Citizen" with "legal resident" in kreton's post, where do you stand on his comments? Agree? Disagree?
 
Basically, Trump is excusing the murder of a US resident. Sweeping it under the "weapons sales" rug.

Trumps official letter said; "We do not know if Mohammad bin Salman was involved or not." (Yes, you do know. US intelligence has confirmed the participation of MBS).

Makes one really wonder how much money Trump and Jared are surreptitiously raking in from the Kingdom. This is what happens when the Emoluments Clause is ignored by Congress.

Hopefully, Congress won't be as forgiving of a cold-blooded murderer as the president.
 
So swapping "American Citizen" with "legal resident" in kreton's post, where do you stand on his comments? Agree? Disagree?
It's a difficult political position, to be sure. Saudi Arabia was wrong to murder Kashoggi, but what should the US response be? One poster has already decided we should go to war over the incident. I'm definitely not on board with that. I think sanctions might be justified, but then it puts the US in the position of doing the same thing any time a foreign government does something bad to one if its citizens.

I think Trump is buying time by waiting for the final report, and that's probably an understandable position to take right now.

One sure thing, no matter what he does some will hate it and some will be okay with it.
 
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