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Trump says US stands with Saudi Arabia despite journalist Khashoggi's killing

You would be willing to go to war with a nation for how it treated one of its citizens? Would that same philosophy apply to every other nation on the planet?

So, you're willing to bend over to appease the Saudis?
 
What a pathetic display.

Just think about how countries continue to stand with the USA even after our NSA is spying them... What puppets. What tools.
 
Unless you think that other nations should not stand with the USA after we are invading nations and millions of innocent people are killed or after the NSA is spying on our allies, etc... you are a ****ing hypocrite and should be kicked out of the USA for being a stupid person.
 
I hope no one was thinking this information was going to change the relationship with Saudi Arabia; if so, that's a naive position to take. Money talks, BS walks. In this case it's one where Trump is providing the answer no one in the past really liked to put out publicly. MBS' comment about the death of one journalist may sound incredibly callous, but at the level of wealth and power, people in those positions are looking at a bigger playing pieces.
 
The is not a responsible position at all. If anything this will more likely make MBS feelhee can do what ever he wants. I figure that unless reigned in harshly by the King we will have a Sadam type situation in SA in a decade.

I disagree.
 
let Trump stand with them. he doesn't speak for me, nor do i support him in any way, including for the sake of the office.
 
What would be gained is that Saudi Arabia would be sent a clear message that the United States stands by principles based on moral, altruistic and logical reasons. Saudi Arabia will be the poster child for any other powerful nations that choose to either suppress or simply destroy those humans they feel should be destroyed. It wouldn't hurt Saudi Arabia to learn a valuable lesson through via sanctions imposed by the Magnitsky Ace. The actions taken by Saudi Arabia to kidnap, torture, drug, choke and dismember a private citizen who is a legal U.S. resident is unacceptable by any humanitarian standards. The United States used to be the moral compass for the entire world, now we're no better than any other despotic government.

I respectfully disagree. It is not our job to be the world's moral compass. It is our job to be the best that we can be ourselves and lead by example, not by fiat. We can be a shining city on a hill for the world to emulate. It is not a job to be the world's conscience and judge.

That does not mean that it is improper to act in the interest of saving human life or to punish atrocities. We are not failing to do that in this case but our government's choice to sanction those responsible for such a despicable, cruel, and inexcusable act rather than a country I think will prove to be the prudent response. We would accomplish nothing by making an enemy of an ally. And I think we definitely made our position known in this terrible incident.
 
This shouldn't be a surprise but many people are not going to be okay with this decision. We all sort of knew by this point that Trump wasn't about to put the Magnisky Act sanctions on Saudi Arabia. He just does whatever the hell he wants.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/20/trump-says-us-stands-with-saudi-arabia-despite-khashoggi-killing.html

Trump says US stands with Saudi Arabia despite journalist Khashoggi's killing


President Donald Trump says that the U.S. stands with Saudi Arabia in the wake of the slaying of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

In a lengthy statement, punctuated with eight exclamation points, Trump says that "we may never know all of the facts surrounding" Khashoggi's death, but "our relationship is with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia."

Trump told reporters Saturday that a "very full report" will be coming by Tuesday on the U.S.' investigation. But in his statement Tuesday, Trump appeared to cast doubt that the U.S. probe of the matter was complete.

It shouldn't be surprising to the MAGA cult to see the dems go full impeachment when they take over in January. He deserves it just for foreign policy and his distaste of the US Military and our veterans who he has conned. Framed right they might get some republicans on board too.

Every conservative needs to ask themselves : is an innocent life worth $14 Billion? Is that the price?


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Mohammed bin bone-saw and Cadet Bone Spurs.

Meme heaven.
 
I respectfully disagree. It is not our job to be the world's moral compass. It is our job to be the best that we can be ourselves and lead by example, not by fiat. We can be a shining city on a hill for the world to emulate. It is not a job to be the world's conscience and judge.

That does not mean that it is improper to act in the interest of saving human life or to punish atrocities. We are not failing to do that in this case but our government's choice to sanction those responsible for such a despicable, cruel, and inexcusable act rather than a country I think will prove to be the prudent response. We would accomplish nothing by making an enemy of an ally. And I think we definitely made our position known in this terrible incident.

Actually, yes it is the responsibility of the United States to be, as President John F. Kennedy said; ‘We must always consider,’ he said, ‘that we shall be as a city upon a hill—the eyes of all people are upon us.’ Today the eyes of all people are truly upon us—and our governments, in every branch, at every level, national, State, and local, must be as a city upon a hill—constructed and inhabited by men aware of their grave trust and their great responsibilities.”

Having a moral compass is perhaps the most overlooked leadership skill that Trump lacks. He was ill equipped to navigate the complex inter-dependencies and responsibilities that the role of President of the United States entails. Murder as a standard tool of domestic policy is unacceptable here. Human rights violations are acceptable in Saudi Arabia or Russia and other countries. Repression of the type Mohammed bin Salman or Putin practices would not be tolerated here. We're already assisting with the genocide of civilians in Yemen by supplying the Saudis with our bombs, how much more are we supposed to just tolerate and look away and ignore repression, murders and inhumanities?
 
That is pretty much in keeping with the President's anti-globalist stance which is much appreciated by those of us who don't want the USA to be in the business of nation building or 'disciplining' other countries unless they force us into it as Germany and Japan did in WWII.

What would be gained by making enemies of an important middle east ally--an important trading partner and critical to many middle east peace initatives--because of the action of one member of the Saudi family? I know many members of Congress on both sides of the aisle think the Saudis should be severely punished for the murder of Khashogg but even the ring leader, Lindsay Graham, admits some caution is warranted in that regard.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ip-complicates-u-s-response-khashoggi-n920551

:applaud
 
Obama would've literally done the same thing. This is bigger than the individual president that is in power. If you actually think we would give up a relationship like this over one journalist you are insane. Not saying that it is moral or right. But its the truth.
 
Here is the White House statement regarding the Khashoggi murder:



America First!

The world is a very dangerous place!

The country of Iran, as an example, is responsible for a bloody proxy war against Saudi Arabia in Yemen, trying to destabilize Iraq’s fragile attempt at democracy, supporting the terror group Hezbollah in Lebanon, propping up dictator Bashar Assad in Syria (who has killed millions of his own citizens), and much more. Likewise, the Iranians have killed many Americans and other innocent people throughout the Middle East. Iran states openly, and with great force, “Death to America!” and “Death to Israel!” Iran is considered “the world’s leading sponsor of terror.”

On the other hand, Saudi Arabia would gladly withdraw from Yemen if the Iranians would agree to leave. They would immediately provide desperately needed humanitarian assistance. Additionally, Saudi Arabia has agreed to spend billions of dollars in leading the fight against Radical Islamic Terrorism.

After my heavily negotiated trip to Saudi Arabia last year, the Kingdom agreed to spend and invest $450 billion in the United States. This is a record amount of money. It will create hundreds of thousands of jobs, tremendous economic development, and much additional wealth for the United States. Of the $450 billion, $110 billion will be spent on the purchase of military equipment from Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and many other great U.S. defense contractors. If we foolishly cancel these contracts, Russia and China would be the enormous beneficiaries – and very happy to acquire all of this newfound business. It would be a wonderful gift to them directly from the United States!

The crime against Jamal Khashoggi was a terrible one, and one that our country does not condone. Indeed, we have taken strong action against those already known to have participated in the murder. After great independent research, we now know many details of this horrible crime. We have already sanctioned 17 Saudis known to have been involved in the murder of Mr. Khashoggi, and the disposal of his body.

Representatives of Saudi Arabia say that Jamal Khashoggi was an “enemy of the state” and a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, but my decision is in no way based on that – this is an unacceptable and horrible crime. King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman vigorously deny any knowledge of the planning or execution of the murder of Mr. Khashoggi. Our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information, but it could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event – maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!

That being said, we may never know all of the facts surrounding the murder of Mr. Jamal Khashoggi. In any case, our relationship is with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They have been a great ally in our very important fight against Iran. The United States intends to remain a steadfast partner of Saudi Arabia to ensure the interests of our country, Israel and all other partners in the region. It is our paramount goal to fully eliminate the threat of terrorism throughout the world!

I understand there are members of Congress who, for political or other reasons, would like to go in a different direction – and they are free to do so. I will consider whatever ideas are presented to me, but only if they are consistent with the absolute security and safety of America. After the United States, Saudi Arabia is the largest oil producing nation in the world. They have worked closely with us and have been very responsive to my requests to keeping oil prices at reasonable levels – so important for the world. As President of the United States I intend to ensure that, in a very dangerous world, America is pursuing its national interests and vigorously contesting countries that wish to do us harm. Very simply it is called America First!

Trump has made the right call here....
 
Actually, yes it is the responsibility of the United States to be, as President John F. Kennedy said; ‘We must always consider,’ he said, ‘that we shall be as a city upon a hill—the eyes of all people are upon us.’ Today the eyes of all people are truly upon us—and our governments, in every branch, at every level, national, State, and local, must be as a city upon a hill—constructed and inhabited by men aware of their grave trust and their great responsibilities.”

Having a moral compass is perhaps the most overlooked leadership skill that Trump lacks. He was ill equipped to navigate the complex inter-dependencies and responsibilities that the role of President of the United States entails. Murder as a standard tool of domestic policy is unacceptable here. Human rights violations are acceptable in Saudi Arabia or Russia and other countries. Repression of the type Mohammed bin Salman or Putin practices would not be tolerated here. We're already assisting with the genocide of civilians in Yemen by supplying the Saudis with our bombs, how much more are we supposed to just tolerate and look away and ignore repression, murders and inhumanities?
Would do you think the US should do if it were up to you?
 
Again, there's a lot of hypocrisy surrounding that case.

SA has always been going around pulling these kind of atrocities. Always behaved that way.
If the US didn't end relations a day before this incident, the day after shouldn't be any different.

Thankfully this empty partisanship isn't affecting such gravely important decision so far.
 
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