Trump says US stands with Saudi Arabia despite journalist Khashoggi's killing

[marke]

IF "The reason leftist liberals have so much sway over so many Americans is that so many Americans are simply not very knowledgeable about current events, American history, American laws, and so forth." wouldn't that justify saying that "so many Americans" are ignorant?

Isn't the solution to that problem "Learn more about current events, American history, American laws, and so forth" rather than whining about how you get taken advantage of by the people who actually know what they are talking about?

The Russians under Lenin and other ruthless atheist leaders kept themselves in power by deceiving the people. American democrats are teamed up with the leftist media to propagate lies for the same reason.

 

[marke]

This just isn't true.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...n-put-donald-trump-in-the-white-house/508703/
Educational divide in vote preferences on track to be wider than in recent elections




Or do you have a study showing liberals or blue voters are not knowledgeable?

Brainwashed kids graduating from secular schools majoring in leftist propaganda are not wise, no matter how many certificates of expertise they have.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The Russians under Lenin and other ruthless atheist leaders kept themselves in power by deceiving the people. American democrats are teamed up with the leftist media to propagate lies for the same reason.

Even if true, how does that deal with

IF "The reason leftist liberals have so much sway over so many Americans is that so many Americans are simply not very knowledgeable about current events, American history, American laws, and so forth." wouldn't that justify saying that "so many Americans" are ignorant?

Isn't the solution to that problem "Learn more about current events, American history, American laws, and so forth" rather than whining about how you get taken advantage of by the people who actually know what they are talking about?
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HINT - "It doesn't."]

 

[marke]

Even if true, how does that deal with

IF "The reason leftist liberals have so much sway over so many Americans is that so many Americans are simply not very knowledgeable about current events, American history, American laws, and so forth." wouldn't that justify saying that "so many Americans" are ignorant?

Isn't the solution to that problem "Learn more about current events, American history, American laws, and so forth" rather than whining about how you get taken advantage of by the people who actually know what they are talking about?
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HINT - "It doesn't."]

The only thing that will break ignorant dependence on lying propaganda is for the ignorant to stop believing the lies without question.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The only thing that will break ignorant dependence on lying propaganda is for the ignorant to stop believing the lies without question.

Isn't that pretty much the same thing as "The solution to that problem "Learn more about current events, American history, American laws, and so forth" rather than whining about how you get taken advantage of by the people who actually know what they are talking about."?

 

[VanCleef]

Brainwashed kids graduating from secular schools majoring in leftist propaganda are not wise, no matter how many certificates of expertise they have.

Can you find citation for this study?

and lol secular schools?

 

[marke]

Can you find citation for this study?

and lol secular schools?

Until the last several years who ever heard of safe spaces for college kids suffering from things like hurt feelings in debates?

Modern kids are tutored in childish behaviors and foolish thinking in so many American colleges and universities.

 

[Obscurity]

Trump and Kushner own this. They installed MBS after ousting MBN. Their boy is a homicidal maniac and a lunatic.

They all ought to be hauled into international court for human rights violations, especially since that chinless, bat eared skid mark Kushner, vile carpetbagger that he is, was texting MBS about it after it happened.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Can you find citation for this study?

and lol secular schools?

You could always do a "Google" using

• "kids that don't think the way everyone knows they should think"; and
• "schools not operated by the same religious group as I belong to and/or that don't teach the same narrow-minded interpretation of what everyone knows God's Word is as that religious group does"

rather than

• "brainwashed kids"; and
• "secular schools"

in order to find it for yourself.

 

[Oborosen]

The evidence has already been presented and your questions were previously asked and answered.

Then you're basically admitting to lying. You know that right?

At the very least pushing a grossly false narrative.

 

[haymarket]

Then you're basically admitting to lying. You know that right?

At the very least pushing a grossly false narrative.

I have absolutely what you are referring to.

 

[Oborosen]

I have absolutely what you are referring to.

You've continually shown otherwise for nearly this whole conversation.
I'm relegated to basically adding garnish for a dish that you've already set for yourself.

I've had no reason to disprove anything, because you've yet to prove anything.

Last chance haymarket. What is this proof and if you have it, then show it.

 

[haymarket]

You've continually shown otherwise for nearly this whole conversation.
I'm relegated to basically adding garnish for a dish that you've already set for yourself.

I've had no reason to disprove anything, because you've yet to prove anything.

Last chance haymarket. What is this proof and if you have it, then show it.

previously asked and answered.

 

[Oborosen]

previously asked and answered.

Thanks for running away yet again.

I'm done with you now.

 

[haymarket]

Thanks for running away yet again.

I'm done with you now.

Tryin to insult me does not change that the question was previously asked and answered.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The Russians under Lenin and other ruthless atheist leaders kept themselves in power by deceiving the people. American democrats are teamed up with the leftist media to propagate lies for the same reason.

You might well be right (except, of course, for the fact that the "American Left" is actually about as "left-wing" as the Conservative Party of Canada).

Mind you, even if you are correct, it is also true that "American 'Republicans' (whatever that means) are teamed up with the 'rightist' (whatever that means) media to propagate lies for the same reason.".

 

[Plus Ultra]

American democrats are teamed up with the leftist media to propagate lies for the same reason.

You and may appreciate this, but what I’ve read hereabouts suggests plenty critical lefty has fully acquired the lefty narrative:

Once President Trump released a robust statement supporting the US-Saudi alliance, intense political pressure was felt from anti-Trump forces in the American media, which pushed Democrats toward Qatar and Iran, and away from Saudi Arabia. Suddenly, the alliance had become a partisan issue; prominent Democrats in Congress began calling for a reevaluation of American policy toward the country. The intensity with which the Kingdom’s critics have attacked the US-Saudi relationship specifically points to more than just a target of opportunity. These critics could be placed into (at least) one of the following categories: (a) a pro-Iran position; (b) a pro-Islamist/Muslim Brotherhood position; and (c) anti-Trump. Often—as with the case of the Washington Post—it is a combination of all three.

Led by Sen. Chris Murphy and Elizabeth Warren, voices from the political left seemed to outdo each other in berating Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, with whom President Trump and members of his administration have warm relations. They are trying to use outrage over Khashoggi’s death to force a Saudi surrender in the war in Yemen; and end to arms sales, a break in US-Saudi relations, or even to depose Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman from his position in the Kingdom’s order of succession. This, of course, was the Qatari policy aim and the conclusion of a successful information operation. https://securitystudies.org/jamal-khashoggi-and-qatar-in-the-echo-chamber/