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Trump says changes are coming to ICE raid policy: 'We must protect our farmers

Nearly all of that cost is housing. What exactly is the alternative? Are they supposed to pee and poop in the fields where they pick your strawberries?
 
bythoughts said:
Nearly all of that cost is housing. What exactly is the alternative? Are they supposed to pee and poop in the fields where they pick your strawberries?
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OK, but how many employers provide housing for their employees (or pay their rent)?


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Housing - NFWM

Background Farm workers commonly face substandard housing conditions. Many workers pay high prices to live in crowded, unsanitary conditions which often lack basic utilities. They also often live in isolated areas far away from vital services, such as health clinics, grocery stores, and public...
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ttwtt78640 said:
OK, but how many employers provide housing for their employees (or pay their rent)?
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Well, most anti-immigrant groups have said they want to drive out cheap illegal labor to raise the standard of living. At least to the point where people who work hard in the fields can afford not to be homeless? I don't know if they all have to be H2A but nobody can solve the problem of undocumented labor if they don't either give up on the labor, or give laborers some kind of document.
 
anatta said:
Nuanced policy due to supply of critical labor, (farm workers are critical, if underpaid) I especially like seeing Trump amend his
previous policy to protect farm workers
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I too like amnesty for illegal immigrants. Glad you've finally come around to our side of this.
 
anatta said:
oh they are in meatpacking and construction, and roofing and hospitality. But none of those occupations are supply chain critical like crops
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Really? You gonna sleep in the dirty sheets from the people in the room before you?
You gonna stop eating meat?
You are not going to replace your roof after a storm blows off a chunk of it?
You have no need of new construction?

Tell me again how only your tomatoes are critical. You know how dumb that sounds?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The major downside to that idea (concept of a plan?), is that “actual CRIMINALS” typically become so only after they have been convicted of creating actual VICTIMS. How many more actual VICTIMS of illegal aliens are acceptable to you?
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The number of victims of illegal aliens that is acceptable should he equal to the number of victims of American citizens don't you think

Or is some how a crime by an illegal alien worse
 

I've never understood why ICE doesn't simply arrest the people coming to clean their hotel rooms.
 
Im not about to argue critical supply chains. fresh crops are labor intensive ( more so then processed foods which are more amendable to machine picking) and tomatoes are the least of it. I can grow those without even trying
 
Deuce said:
I too like amnesty for illegal immigrants. Glad you've finally come around to our side of this.
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no that's WAY too far away from what I want. limited VISA H2-A reform to try to establish a seasonal worker program that realistically allows Mexican and central Americans to come and go with the crop seasons
 
anatta said:
no that's WAY too far away from what I want. limited VISA H2-A reform to try to establish a seasonal worker program that realistically allows Mexican and central Americans to come and go with the crop seasons
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Lol.

You are a city slicker.
 
maxparrish said:
I just read that Trump added the "hotel" industry, meaning hospitalities.

Another Trump "impulse" unraveling in real time. Mind you, I support deporting most illegals BUT clearly, he does not know what he is doing. Typical Trump.
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Hospitality was added because 1/3 of all workers are migrants. I believe the forthcoming XO is about reducing their priority for immigration actions (administrative and ICE both)..lol..I think from the bits and pieces I read.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The number of victims of illegal aliens that is acceptable should he equal to the number of victims of American citizens don't you think

Or is some how a crime by an illegal alien worse
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Crimes committed by someone who should have been detained and deported were preventable.
 
CaughtInThe said:
We need to automate out your job and all the jobs of your family members and people in your community.

That'll fix the economy.

/s
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Right up there with "we'll put a lot of coal miners out of work!"
 
"We must protect our farmers from my shitty policies."
 
No need to ask anyone as where I live I frequently have been stopped to show my passport and visa, which I do and sometimes am asked to have a selfie taken and if they're not busy a little friendly conversation.
In the States I remember traffic stops checking for license, registration and insurance. Is that no longer done? Many year ago I was stopped by some plain clothes police who thought my vehicle was used to haul moonshine and after checking my trunk and removing my rear seat they returned my license and left me to replace my rear seat. I had flipped the leaf spring hangers which raised the rear a few inches and they thought that showed an empty tank for moonshine.
Perhaps if there were not millions of people who have entered the country illegally such actions wouldn't be necessary.
 
What if...? said:
Whoa!

When did you become a liberal?
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I'm neither a liberal or a conservative.
Those who have entered illegally would have to become documented by arriving at a legal entry point, so they would first be required to self identify, be deported or leave on their own, and after a predefined period of time show up at a legal entry point where they would be documented and given a non immigrant id allowing them to enter and work in the U.S. for a defined period of time which could be extended by immigration services as long as they abide by the rules. They would not be entitled to government assistance, and be treated like those who have entered with a passport/visa but have permission to work, leave and reenter using the card as long as it is kept valid.
 
coyote505 said:
Too sensible. It would never fly with either Trump's Peckerwood base, nor with Union bosses.
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To get things done, IMO, requires getting something to fly with a majority of the people regardless of party. That's how a democracy begins to work in a republic.
 
Does my post #216 help?
I've lived nearly 4 decades as a, self supporting, non immigrant, legal resident, law abiding person, required to maintain a valid passport, current 1 year visa, and periodic check in with immigration. Citizens too are required to carry ID, and readily comply when asked to show it. My Daughter when asked for Her passport, shows Her citizen ID.
 
Why not just "doccument" them here?
 
NolanVoyd said:
Why not just "doccument" them here?
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Not obvious? Legal entry/exit to the U.S. can ONLY be accomplished at a legal entry/exit point, where non citizens can be documented and provided with a record of entry/departure, any other means would ONLY result in being deported.
Setting a precedent is step 1 in resolving the issue.
 

How's that working out?
 
Such nonsense.

If the issue is doccumentation we can give them doccumentation where they live. No need for them to leave and come back. Its an unnecessary extra step.

They would have come legally the first time if the system wasnt broken,
 
bythoughts said:
I don't understand. The US has a H2A visa program for migrant workers. Why does Trump of all people speak of tolerance for illegals in these positions rather than adjusting the H2A program to allow enough legal migrants to be in the country?
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It’s Trump. Trying to understand is an exercise in frustration. I have I hunch that would go much better if you have syphilises brain.
 
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