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Trump says changes are coming to ICE raid policy: 'We must protect our farmers

correct. no changes to enforcement.. Trump was thinking out loud. at least there is a recognition critical food supply labor can't be replaced with Americans
 
anatta said:
since I brought it up.
The fact Americans will do those other jobs, although hospitality relies mor on immigrants
And while field work is increasingly mechanized there are still needs for workers, and Americans won't work the fields
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I’m tired of the assertion that “US workers won’t do X” since there is no industry which has illegal aliens as the majority of their employees (labor force). There are far more illegal aliens employed in construction or hospitality than in agriculture.

Infographic: Where Undocumented Immigrants Work

This chart shows the U.S. industries with the highest share of the workforce made up of undocumented immigrants.
www.statista.com
 
actual numbers are impossible to find.. great swings in values

 

^^^
This

Hispanics are a significant part of the work force in animal processing, field agriculture, construction of all types, cleaning services, forestry/logging, food preparation, the hospitality industry, transportation, healthcare, mineral extraction, etc.
 
anatta said:
correct. no changes to enforcement.. Trump was thinking out loud. at least there is a recognition critical food supply labor can't be replaced with Americans
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That (bolded above) assertion must include at the current level of compensation offered. Employers (job creators?) offer the level of compensation required to attract and retain qualified labor and illegal aliens are willing to accept less compensation than US citizens and have fewer employers willing to hire them.

The median annual wage for agricultural workers in the US was $35,980 in May 2024. This means that half of the agricultural workers earned more than this amount, and half earned less. The highest 10% earned more than $48,970, and the lowest 10% earned less than $30,830.

The average annual pay for restaurant workers in the United States is around $35,595.

Lower paid US citizen workers can get lots of assistance from numerous “safety net” programs, thus they will generally take the easiest (and closest to home) jobs available offering similar pay (about $17/hour in the above examples).
 
Hispanics/Latinos are the largest ethnic group in the State of California with 15.6 million people (39.4%).

47.7% of New Mexico is Hispanic. Texas (39.3%) will be majority Hispanic/Latino probably by 2028.

Other states with a significant Hispanic/Latino population - Arizona 30.5%, Nevada 28.7%, Florida 26.5%, New Jersey 21.6% New York 19.5%, Illinois 18.2%

There are ~64 million Hispanic/Latino ethnics in the USA or 20% of the total population. Hispanics account for ~71% of the total US population growth.

The US will become minority white in 2045. The majority will consist of people of color.
 
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Variant said:
The question was why they were being treated differently. Do you have a better answer?
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There’s no evidence that they are. Using a brief nugget of (recent?) TrumpSpeak as an indication of policy (change?) is ridiculous.
 
anatta said:
correct. no changes to enforcement.. Trump was thinking out loud. at least there is a recognition critical food supply labor can't be replaced with Americans
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Trump should have thought about the workforce for farmers and hotels when he came out with his EO.

The work that "illegals" do in agriculture, hotels, etc. has been known for decades.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
There’s no evidence that they are. Using a brief nugget of (recent?) TrumpSpeak as an indication of policy (change?) is ridiculous.
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Seems to me that Ice raids are indeed focused on liberal population centers.
 
Variant said:
Seems to me that Ice raids are indeed focused on liberal population centers.
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That’s not where most agricultural workers will be found.

It’s been guesstimated that illegal aliens are about 10% of the workforce in LA. Having ICE go where they’re more apt to encounter illegal aliens (like ‘sanctuary states/cities) is common sense.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That’s not where most agricultural workers will be.
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That's the point. I'm saying that Trump may want to go easy on farming because it's done where his political support comes from.

You'll also probably notice that people who routinely employ illegal aliens won't br bothered.
 
....and hotel workers! Don't forget the hotel workers.
 
Pyrite said:
Trump is caving....again?

Why the hell does this nincompoop-in-chief not know basics re issues before he acts on them?
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Trump doesn't learn from mistakes because he never makes them.

QED
 
Variant said:
That's the point. I'm saying that Trump may want to go easy on farming because it's done where his political support comes from.

You'll also probably notice that people who routinely employ illegal aliens won't br bothered.
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It’s also a teeny tiny percentage of (total) illegal alien workers.

Infographic: Where Undocumented Immigrants Work

This chart shows the U.S. industries with the highest share of the workforce made up of undocumented immigrants.
www.statista.com
 
anatta said:
correct. no changes to enforcement.. Trump was thinking out loud. at least there is a recognition critical food supply labor can't be replaced with Americans
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He just now got it when months ago everyone said this is exactly what would happen. No more stable genius' for president please.
 
Trump doesn't make policy. Steven Miller writes the policies and the EOs. They then put the EOs in front of him to sign. Trump sometimes asks, 'what am I signing?'
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, what exactly makes illegal alien agricultural workers any more ‘essential’ than illegal alien construction, automotive repair or hospitality workers?
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You really need the answer to that?

Not only that, few Americans will take those ag jobs at any pay (within reason).
 
You need to actually travel extensively within your country to view that issue first hand. Without that experience, reading any stats published by your various agencies is just a waste of time.

The illegal impact is felt most emphatically by various states and regions and also those areas where the demand for certain types of services provided cheaply are predominant.

An example would be the various interstate highways with commercial truck fueling and service centers that any commercial driver would readily tell you, you can't avail of ANY provided service without an undocumented worker providing it.

Another good example would be the Imperial Valley agriculture area with those field workers that stand in the boiling sun all day redirecting channels of irrigation water a few rows of cabbage at a time, uncounted thousands of those as well as the pickers, packagers, warehouse workers, shippers, semi- spotters for DelMonte, all running like rabbits out the back doors whenever the green striped Suburbans come anywhere near them.

How was any of that going on for the decades of NAFTA and CUSMA indicative of "fair trade" when any U.S. business's from aggra to manufacturing was benefitting mightily from the far cheaper wage rates afforded to American commerce?

We will now be subject to whining from all sectors as to how they cannot survive without having access to those cheaper labourers which merely serves to confirm they shouldn't have existed in the first place, certainly not in producing any exported product within a free trade agreement.

The GOP screaming about "FAIR" trade is the quintessential irony of the ages.
 
anatta said:
since I brought it up.
The fact Americans will do those other jobs, although hospitality relies more on immigrants
And while field work is increasingly mechanized there are still needs for workers, and Americans won't work the fields
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It's been tried. Americans dont take the agricultural jobs no matter what the pay (within reason.)

Too bad you're not up to speed on this stuff, I guess it's too 'nuanced'.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, what exactly makes illegal alien agricultural workers any more ‘essential’ than illegal alien construction, automotive repair or hospitality workers?
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Nothing. That's what makes Trump's deportation policy so stupid. It deports people contributing to society and the economy.

Effects of the Immigration Surge on the Federal Budget and the Economy​

The increase in immigration boosts federal revenues as well as mandatory spending and interest on the debt in CBO’s baseline projections, lowering deficits, on net, by $0.9 trillion over the 2024–2034 period (see Table 1).
 
anatta said:
correct. no changes to enforcement.. Trump was thinking out loud. at least there is a recognition critical food supply labor can't be replaced with Americans
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Wow, and you're a mind reader too?
 
mike2810 said:
Trump should have thought about the workforce for farmers and hotels when he came out with his EO.

The work that "illegals" do in agriculture, hotels, etc. has been known for decades.
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Esp since he has had to deal with immigration policy in his first term
 
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