Trump row with Democrats takes harsh turn with impeachment at stake

[AlbqOwl]

Sorry, I have to call you out on your last point. Please tell us what Obama specifically did to hurt your property values. You can't simply ascribe every little bump in the night to the POTUS. Property values have much, much more to do with a local economy than a national one. If your property values declined perhaps your issue with your governor or city council. It isn't the President

My properties have done well during the Obama years. I don't give him much credit for it. I actually credit the fact that the State of Colorado is both a desirable to live and has a substantially functional government (which has both Republicans and Democrats participating without fight each other on every little thing)

https://www.zillow.com/denver-co/home-values/

On other news, my beloved Colorado Rockies have done much better since Trump took office. They were very poor during the Obama years. Makes me want to vote for Trump (NOT).

I don't blame Obama for all of New Mexico's declining housing market. We have a very business unfriendly government here. But we no doubt lost a lot more jobs under Obama than Colorado did and that depresses the real estate market. I decided to close my own business due to the Obama economy. But in spite of us having one of the crappiest state governments in the country, Trump's economy is turning it around. People are going back to work and it is a seller's market for real estate again. (We probably won't reopen the business though some former clients are asking us to. I'm pretty contented in retirement though I don't know that I could find the time to run the business now.)

As for the Obama economy, here's a pretty good summary:
Barack Obama’s Economy: The Ugly Truth | National Review

 

[GDViking]

Thanks to what the Trump Administration has been able to do, our premium increases have slowed significantly in the last year compared to them skyrocketing once Obamacare went into effect not to mention the huge deductibles and copays we were required to accept along with some medications no longer covered. It continues to hinder optimum healthcare delivery though. I can't wait for them to dump the program entirely so we can get back to something approximating what we had before.

And this:
US GDP Growth Rate by Year

Imagine what President Trump could do if Congress would get behind him and help him instead of doing their damndest to block anything he wants to do.

The damage that idiot would do to the nation is too frightening to think about it.

 

[poweRob]

That depends on how you chose to define "nothing". Doesn't it.
The Democrats already know the Republican Senate won't entertain anything Obamacare.
And as soon as they begin the great Libbie pontification and self-deification exercises, well...those don't meet with great respect either.

Looks like a big fat nothingburger to me...how 'bout you?

No... Words have meanings already. Redefining them is a lie.

 

[dcsports]

Looks like you’re clinging to right wing fake news, because Trump was not in fact cleared of wrong doing

Looks like you missed out on the Mueller report, and the subsequent DOJ statements. Note that I said 'crime' not 'wrong doing'. He was well and truly investigated. It's time to move on with governance.

 

[Obscurity]

Me personally? Can recall any that have affected me directly yet other than a booming economy did provide a bit of a COLA raise in my social security this year. Oh and also his removing the mandate from Obamacare has freed up a number of our friends and family so that they can hire people and expand their businesses and that has increased our property values that declined quite a bit under Obama. So that is a good thing.

So none have directly effected you. And, not one has directly impacted the economy. Because trump has had little effect on it. When it began turning around with obama you lot gave him no credit. You do not get to give trump credit now.

The entire global economy has turned for the better. Contrary to the braindead thought of American supremacist nationalists, we do not live in a single nation spared the impact of the global economy.

So. Your friends and family can hire more people because your lord and savior threw some millions of people off insurance. How ****ing kind of you to be grateful.

You and your ideology are ****ing pathetic. Thanks for admitting this deregulation did nothing.

Appreciate the honesty.

 

[SheWolf]

Looks like you missed out on the Mueller report, and the subsequent DOJ statements. Note that I said 'crime' not 'wrong doing'. He was well and truly investigated. It's time to move on with governance.

He wasn’t cleared of a crime or wrong doing. You seriously need to watch actual news instead fake news. Mueller himself even condemned Barr’s handling of the investigation. He intended to leave the decision of obstruction to Congress, but Barr decided he would not allow that. Now your wannabe king is trying to block multiple investigations and telling witnesses to ignore subpoenas. He does not respect the constitution, the rule of law, or power of Congress. His supporters are so partisan and willfully mislead that they can’t admit if it were a democrat they would be screaming impeachment and possibly holding armed rallies in streets.

People like you want to lock up Hillary, but can’t even face the fact that Trump has misused his charity like Hillary, is a liar like Hillary, but he is also far more corrupt. Trump supporters aren’t just deplorable. They are morally bankrupt hypocrites for backing Trump.

 

[MTAtech]

Thanks to what the Trump Administration has been able to do, our premium increases have slowed significantly in the last year compared to them skyrocketing once Obamacare went into effect not to mention the huge deductibles and copays we were required to accept along with some medications no longer covered. It continues to hinder optimum healthcare delivery though. I can't wait for them to dump the program entirely so we can get back to something approximating what we had before.

And this:
US GDP Growth Rate by Year

Imagine what President Trump could do if Congress would get behind him and help him instead of doing their damndest to block anything he wants to do.

First, I don't know where that link gets its GDP growth rate. This is the accurate one: U.S. GDP by Year: Compared to Recessions and Events

Second, Trump and the Republicans have had full control of the government from Jan 20, 2017 to early January 2019. Trump got everything he asked for from Congress during that period. However, we could ask the same question for the period we had divided government during the Obama Administration -- "Imagine what he could have done if Congress would have gotten behind him and help him instead of doing their damndest to block anything he wants to do."

Third, I don't know how you conclude that health insurance premium costs have slowed: Health Plans Blame Market Instability for 2019 Premium Hikes

Insurers are starting to file their rate requests for next year and all signs point to a third year of double-digit increases.

 

[dcsports]

He wasn’t cleared of a crime or wrong doing. You seriously need to watch actual news instead fake news. Mueller himself even condemned Barr’s handling of the investigation. He intended to leave the decision of obstruction to Congress, but Barr decided he would not allow that. Now your wannabe king is trying to block multiple investigations and telling witnesses to ignore subpoenas. He does not respect the constitution, the rule of law, or power of Congress. His supporters are so partisan and willfully mislead that they can’t admit if it were a democrat they would be screaming impeachment and possibly holding armed rallies in streets.

People like you want to lock up Hillary, but can’t even face the fact that Trump has misused his charity like Hillary, is a liar like Hillary, but he is also far more corrupt. Trump supporters aren’t just deplorable. They are morally bankrupt hypocrites for backing Trump.

Actually, he was cleared... no charges were made following the investigation. I'd suggest that you watch the actual news instead of listening to an echo chamber.

You are correct that the difference in handling of the much more serious actions of Hillary Clinton shows the hypocrisy of the left.

 

[Anthony60]

The propagandized usually refuse to admit to themselves they've been propagandized.

Which is something propagandists count on.

What we are seeing is trump doing what the opinion folks over at fox have been beating the drum over for years.

But he doesn't know about any of this beyond what he's heard from fox. Like he doesn't know that china doesn't pay the tariffs he has imposed. It will cost them indirectly, but none of those payments go into the treasury. But he's an "expert" on trade. And you want us to take him seriously.

The list goes on. At length.

He blunders ignorantly about knocking stuff over and those who use the "broken windows" bit just replace the panes he breaks and mutter something about broken eggs and omelettes.

You’re really not making any sense at all. You only see what you want to see, and push it, like a good leftist.


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[SheWolf]

Actually, he was cleared... no charges were made following the investigation. I'd suggest that you watch the actual news instead of listening to an echo chamber.

You are correct that the difference in handling of the much more serious actions of Hillary Clinton shows the hypocrisy of the left.

No, he wasn’t cleared. Astounding that you keep asserting a lie. He is also still under multiple investigations

 

[dcsports]

No, he wasn’t cleared. Astounding that you keep asserting a lie. He is also still under multiple investigations

Nope. Cleared by the DOJ. Multiple politically motivated congressional investigations, sure. Do you really think they will find criminal activity that the special council didn't?

 

[Buzz62]

No... Words have meanings already. Redefining them is a lie.

:lamo
Ya...:roll:
Fact ids the Dems have passed a whole bunch of bills they knew would never get through the Senate.
Hence...they've done NOTHING.

But nice try...

 

[What if...?]

You’re really not making any sense at all. You only see what you want to see, and push it, like a good leftist.


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I know. I've been doing this for years.

At this point its mostly just me trying to figure out "who's a professional? and including the part of the messaging intentionally left out.

 

[What if...?]

:lamo
Ya...:roll:
Fact ids the Dems have passed a whole bunch of bills they knew would never get through the Senate.
Hence...they've done NOTHING.

But nice try...

Nothing they put up besides exactly what trump and McConnell want is ever going to get through the senate.

That's not the same thing you are saying about the same situation.

 

[What if...?]

Nope. Cleared by the DOJ. Multiple politically motivated congressional investigations, sure. Do you really think they will find criminal activity that the special council didn't?

No. The house is the body Mueller very very clearly stated was the one that had "jurisdiction" here. And he included all of the evidence for them to do it. Because he could not indict because of policy and couldn't directly accuse because without a charge trump would be denied his due process right to defend himself.

THAT is what the report actually says. With words. They're in "legalese" but its not that obtuse.

What y'all are repeating ad nauseum is the spin on it, laid this way because they know almost nobody will actually read or be able to understand it.

 

[MTAtech]

Yup, keeping promises:
Trump administration breaks campaign promise, purges 200,000 VA healthcare applications

 

[dcsports]

No. The house is the body Mueller very very clearly stated was the one that had "jurisdiction" here. And he included all of the evidence for them to do it. Because he could not indict because of policy and couldn't directly accuse because without a charge trump would be denied his due process right to defend himself.

THAT is what the report actually says. With words. They're in "legalese" but its not that obtuse.

What y'all are repeating ad nauseum is the spin on it, laid this way because they know almost nobody will actually read or be able to understand it.

He put it to Congress to determine if the President abused his power to the point where it would warrant removal. (Nothing about the "house" having "jurisdiction" - just the same power they've always had.) If they want to press forward with that, they should go for it. As you point out, they have the evidence he obtained. They should 'paint or get off the ladder'. However, what they have clearly doesn't rise to the threshold set with previous administrations, and there's certainly nothing that would result in his removal. It's time for them to get back to governance.

 

[Buzz62]

Nothing they put up besides exactly what trump and McConnell want is ever going to get through the senate.

That's not the same thing you are saying about the same situation.

Yes. That's how American politics works. Two main parties, at each other's throats. Its been going on for a long time this way.
Yet Libbies and Democrats alike, are fond of telling everyone how thick and uneducated people on the right are.
How much smarter they are, than these neanderthals. Trump is, after all, a moron, right?

IF...and understand I don't really think the Democrats have any inclination to actually accomplish anything but give the POTUS a black-eye...these self-proclaimed "smart people" really wanted, they surely could figure out a way to entice these Republican dullards into passing something. Hell anything.

So...having watched on since Shock and Awe...I must conclude that NONE of them are terribly "smart", nor do they care 1 iota about the public, once in office.

Any of them.

 

[What if...?]

Yes. That's how American politics works. Two main parties, at each other's throats. Its been going on for a long time this way.
Yet Libbies and Democrats alike, are fond of telling everyone how thick and uneducated people on the right are.
How much smarter they are, than these neanderthals. Trump is, after all, a moron, right?

IF...and understand I don't really think the Democrats have any inclination to actually accomplish anything but give the POTUS a black-eye...these self-proclaimed "smart people" really wanted, they surely could figure out a way to entice these Republican dullards into passing something. Hell anything.

So...having watched on since Shock and Awe...I must conclude that NONE of them are terribly "smart", nor do they care 1 iota about the public, once in office.

Any of them.

You are positing that all conservatives are dumb as opposed to what I believe, that dumb people tend to conservatism. Its simpler, they can just follow, makes them feel safe and a part of something.

And that smart people pretending that they are "conservatives" propagandize the **** out of them to get them to vote against their interests and cheer their losses.

The dems are much the same. They have a harder time, education tends to lead to "liberalism". But the democrats are a neoliberal corporatist party. The only difference is their philosophy as to the care and feeding of the livestock.

Both consider us livestock. Hell, capitalism considers most us livestock.

So what you are really seeing is one group of smart people exploiting their dumb people for their donors/sponsors and another doing the same for theirs.

And the fact that you think only one side is exploiting their people means your opinion isn't worth much.

 

[Buzz62]

You are positing that all conservatives are dumb as opposed to what I believe, that dumb people tend to conservatism. Its simpler, they can just follow, makes them feel safe and a part of something.

And that smart people pretending that they are "conservatives" propagandize the **** out of them to get them to vote against their interests and cheer their losses.

The dems are much the same. They have a harder time, education tends to lead to "liberalism". But the democrats are a neoliberal corporatist party. The only difference is their philosophy as to the care and feeding of the livestock.

Both consider us livestock. Hell, capitalism considers most us livestock.

So what you are really seeing is one group of smart people exploiting their dumb people for their donors/sponsors and another doing the same for theirs.

And the fact that you think only one side is exploiting their people means your opinion isn't worth much.

Errr...did you read my post?

I must conclude that NONE of them are terribly "smart", nor do they care 1 iota about the public, once in office.

Any of them.

Its not only smart but also wise...to actually read a post you intend to respond to.

 

[Obscurity]

:lamo
Ya...:roll:
Fact ids the Dems have passed a whole bunch of bills they knew would never get through the Senate.
Hence...they've done NOTHING.

But nice try...

I disagree. They have shown that, for all their bluster, the republicans could not care less about governing, and instead would abdicate their authority to hail the King after all is said and done.

The only thing that matters is one party is trying to legislate, and the other is just sitting around doing nothing at all.

 

[Buzz62]

I disagree. They have shown that, for all their bluster, the republicans could not care less about governing, and instead would abdicate their authority to hail the King after all is said and done.

The only thing that matters is one party is trying to legislate, and the other is just sitting around doing nothing at all.

Have you read the bills?

 

[Obscurity]

Have you read the bills?

Some of them. Not all of them. I admit, my life does not always allow me to read in depth everything posed or passed by the US congress.

 

[poweRob]

:lamo
Ya...:roll:
Fact ids the Dems have passed a whole bunch of bills they knew would never get through the Senate.
Hence...they've done NOTHING.

But nice try...

So now you hold dems responsible for republican inaction. Figures.

 

[Superfly]

It is clear that Democrats have only one thing on their agenda. Impeach Trump...Not get anything done for the American people, not immigration, not infrastructure, not addressing any of the threats facing the country, not trade, nope....NOTHING but get rid of Trump...Is this really what America needs at this moment?

Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives are betting that the hatred of the President will fuel them in their electoral hopes with the promise of free this, free that, and don't you just hate Trump.....I think they are making a huge mistake...

All of this hate is boring...So, in this let's try and make this about what if anything other than 'get Trump' and insult anyone on this board that doesn't want to 'get Trump' shall we?

:lol: :lol: