Trump reveals how he would force Mexico to pay for border wall

[iguanaman]

There's a difference between the threat of, and actually doing it. The difference is if you are called on your bluff or not.

I don't see how it's illegal. Isn't diplomatically smart, that's for sure. It's very rare that pissing off one of your neighbors and larger trading partners is wise.

All that being said, how is the US benefiting from the trade deal with Mexico? Seems it's all to Mexico's benefit. Perhaps that needs closer examination?

You don't think American companies benefit from trade with Mexico? Or are you one of the very few "socialist" Conservatives? Don't you think it is better for Mexicans to get jobs in Mexico or do you think they should all come here for work?

 

[Risky Thicket]

https://www.usitc.gov/research_and_analysis/trade_shifts_2014/us_trade_by_industry_sector.htm

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This is as of June 2014. I don't know if Mexico has moved up since then but it looks like its China is in 2nd.

Here is where I found it. For the sake of argument it matters very little, 2nd or 3rd. All said, the US - especially Texas - would suffer economically in a trade war with Mexico.

I was in Mexico this past Saturday. Mexicans are good people. They work extremely hard. At present they are overwhelmed by the drug war that is largely fueled by the United States. American citizens are largely responsible for Mexico's drug trade. The United States spends billions fighting the drug trade in Mexico that is funded by American citizens.

More Mexicans are leaving the US than coming in. Mexico is working hard to halt illegals sneaking into Mexico from Central America. Mexico is considering the legalization of marijuana and perhaps other drugs. That is a wise move as it will shrink the power of the cartels.

In the meantime Trump wants to build a wall. :shock:

 

[OpportunityCost]

Here is where I found it. For the sake of argument it matters very little, 2nd or 3rd. All said, the US - especially Texas - would suffer economically in a trade war with Mexico.

I was in Mexico this past Saturday. Mexicans are good people. They work extremely hard. At present they are overwhelmed by the drug war that is largely fueled by the United States. American citizens are largely responsible for Mexico's drug trade. The United States spends billions fighting the drug trade in Mexico that is funded by American citizens.

More Mexicans are leaving the US than coming in. Mexico is working hard to halt illegals sneaking into Mexico from Central America. Mexico is considering the legalization of marijuana and perhaps other drugs. That is a wise move as it will shrink the power of the cartels.

In the meantime Trump wants to build a wall. :shock:

I cant disagree with the trade implications.

I can also agree with a lot of the Mexican population being good people. But we are left with a widely corrupt government and crime population that we need to control. Smuggling (people and drugs) are a big part of their power and influence. Would a wall make that more difficult and less profitable for them? Will it allow for a border that we can control more easily? Will it help people who live near the border feel more secure as US citizens?

All I ask is you look at the possible outcomes. No ridicule, just consider the upside and downside.

 

[Mycroft]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...196314-fa7c-11e5-80e4-c381214de1a3_story.html

Hey, all you trumpkies, your man is a moron. This isn't legal, diplomatically smart or even doable. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

LOL!!

There goes Trump again...stirring the pot...and the peasants are rising up with their pitchforks again.

Thing is, this "new" information, regardless what the WashPo says, is not the first time Trump has outlined how he would treat Mexico and make them pay for the wall. On the other hand, low-info people might be hearing about this for the first time. So it goes.

In any case, none of the steps Trump talks about are illegal, though if push comes to shove Congress would need to get involved. The case could be made that even a Republican-controlled Congress might resist him but I don't think they will. They would have a very hard time trying to tell the rank and file Republicans why they won't work to control illegal immigration.

On the other hand, like here in this forum, liberals in our country would froth at the mouth if this came to pass. Labeling Trump as a "moron", an "idiot", as "dumb" would make the same stuff said about Bush look like endearing compliments. The "sky is falling" predictions of such a proposal will get only more strident and dire.


While I'm not a supporter of Trump, I almost welcome his election so that I could break out my popcorn...watch the entertainment...deride the nay-sayers...and suggest qualified counselors to those who just cannot handle the events.

 

[Risky Thicket]

I cant disagree with the trade implications.

I can also agree with a lot of the Mexican population being good people. But we are left with a widely corrupt government and crime population that we need to control. Smuggling (people and drugs) are a big part of their power and influence. Would a wall make that more difficult and less profitable for them? Will it allow for a border that we can control more easily? Will it help people who live near the border feel more secure as US citizens?

All I ask is you look at the possible outcomes. No ridicule, just consider the upside and downside.

From all I have read and from what I have seen Mexicans would prefer to live in Mexico. Of course they don't want the constant violence caused by the narcotraficantes. They would like a more responsible and honest government and a better economy. Who doesn't? Mexico does NOT want to be like the United States of America. Actually few, if any, countries do.

Would a wall help people along the border feel more secure? In some areas I imagine it would. Ironically, people who live near the border often live there because it is near Mexico. The culture along the border is a blend of American and Mexican cultures. It wasn't long ago that the border was little more than a line in the sand. People there liked that. Yes, it has changed now, but I don't know that most people want to go full on isolationist and shut themselves off from Mexico. Still it is an issue either way.

As American states are legalizing marijuana the demand for Mexican pot has decreased. If Mexico makes pot legal it will certainly hurt the cartels and loosen their grip on Mexican politics. Mexicans in general are not big drug users. With legal weed in the US there just won't be that much demand for Mexican pot.

 

[Visbek]

Thing is, this "new" information, regardless what the WashPo says, is not the first time Trump has outlined how he would treat Mexico and make them pay for the wall. On the other hand, low-info people might be hearing about this for the first time.

This is the first time Trump has stated he'd block remittances. Other people (not his campaign) have idly suggested taxing those transfers. Not the same thing.

In any case, none of the steps Trump talks about are illegal....

The legality is not at all clear. He's talking about using a provision of an anti-terrorist law in a way it has never been used before, and outside the scope of how the law was written. There is no question it'd be challenged in court.

I might add that if Obama suggested an executive action along those lines, you and many others would be screaming at the top of your lungs for weeks on end about his authoritarian tendencies. Instead, it gets a shrug from those same quarters. What a surprise.

While I'm not a supporter of Trump, I almost welcome his election so that I could break out my popcorn...watch the entertainment...deride the nay-sayers...and suggest qualified counselors to those who just cannot handle the events.

While I'm not a supporter of Clinton, I almost welcome her election so that I could break out my popcorn... watch the entertainment... deride the nay-sayers...and suggest qualified counselors to those who just cannot handle the events.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Not endorsing the idea, but we have a Gift tax in place for international money transfers already, so you could change the rate to 100%, but not sure what flexability the IRS has in having a dynamic-by-country tax table. Seems like that would just change the behavior of the person sending the money to utilize a 3rd party country to get around it(although that would trip up money laundering laws).

Gift tax? I see hispanics in line all the time to buy money orders with cash at the local Post Office and then sending them to Mexico. Are you sure they're paying a gift tax?

 

[cpwill]

Mexico Got More Money from Remittances Than from Oil Revenues in 2015 - NBC News

Taking 5% will take approximately 7 years to pay for it.

:lol: yeah? Howyagonna do that?

 

[DA60]

Lol...it's like threatening your next door neighbor to dig up their paved driveway if they don't pay for half of your new security system.

It's pretty close to blackmail this Trump idea, imo.

 

[beefheart]

Here is where I found it. For the sake of argument it matters very little, 2nd or 3rd. All said, the US - especially Texas - would suffer economically in a trade war with Mexico.

I was in Mexico this past Saturday. Mexicans are good people. They work extremely hard. At present they are overwhelmed by the drug war that is largely fueled by the United States. American citizens are largely responsible for Mexico's drug trade. The United States spends billions fighting the drug trade in Mexico that is funded by American citizens.

More Mexicans are leaving the US than coming in. Mexico is working hard to halt illegals sneaking into Mexico from Central America. Mexico is considering the legalization of marijuana and perhaps other drugs. That is a wise move as it will shrink the power of the cartels.

In the meantime Trump wants to build a wall. :shock:

I was in Mexico on Saturday too! Just a pharmacy run, but I travel there often, they are great people. They live in an oligarchy, and we are moving towards an oligarchy..

 

[EnigmaO01]

I was in Mexico on Saturday too! Just a pharmacy run, but I travel there often, they are great people. They live in an oligarchy, and we are moving towards an oligarchy..

But health care costs are cheaper there!

 

[reinoe]

So basically Trump took one of my ideas and made it worse?

Written March 19, 2016...


Read more at: Donald Trump Plans to Impound All Remittances to Mexico -- Would That Even Be Possible? | National Review Online

Earlier this year, Mexico’s central bank released data indicating Mexicans abroad sent home $23.6 billion in 2014, almost all of it from the United States.

Let's set that figure at 20 billion of it comes from the U.S. Taxed at 20% That's 4 billion each year to pay for the wall. Donald Trump wants to seize all assets illegally earned from illegal immigrants. Taxing remittances is just faster and easier.

How much would Donald Trump's U.S.-Mexico wall cost? | NJ.com

CNBC reported in October that such a wall would likely cost more in the range of $15 to $25 billion.

Let's double it because nothing in the government is ever completed in the allocated budget.

30-50 billion. And it takes 8 years to build. The wall.

If Remittance revenue is providing 4 billion a year and the wall costs 30-50 billion then the wall should be paid off in about 10 years simply by taxing remittances on average.Mexico gets approximately 420 million in aid from the U.S. each year. It's going to be set to zero.

 

[Cardinal]

They don't MAIL it. Its done through wire transfers and cashier checks at check cashing places and banks. Its easily traceable and its easily taxable.

And your point is...?

 

[Risky Thicket]

I was in Mexico on Saturday too! Just a pharmacy run, but I travel there often, they are great people. They live in an oligarchy, and we are moving towards an oligarchy..

Algodones. We took some visiting family for the day. Date shakes in Dateland and lunch and shopping in Algodones, pharmacy and booze for them at the purple store.

We are moving rapidly to full blown oligarchy.

 

[Risky Thicket]

But health care costs are cheaper there!

Much, much, cheaper.

 

[Renae]

LOL!!

There goes Trump again...stirring the pot...and the peasants are rising up with their pitchforks again.

Thing is, this "new" information, regardless what the WashPo says, is not the first time Trump has outlined how he would treat Mexico and make them pay for the wall. On the other hand, low-info people might be hearing about this for the first time. So it goes.

In any case, none of the steps Trump talks about are illegal, though if push comes to shove Congress would need to get involved. The case could be made that even a Republican-controlled Congress might resist him but I don't think they will. They would have a very hard time trying to tell the rank and file Republicans why they won't work to control illegal immigration.

On the other hand, like here in this forum, liberals in our country would froth at the mouth if this came to pass. Labeling Trump as a "moron", an "idiot", as "dumb" would make the same stuff said about Bush look like endearing compliments. The "sky is falling" predictions of such a proposal will get only more strident and dire.


While I'm not a supporter of Trump, I almost welcome his election so that I could break out my popcorn...watch the entertainment...deride the nay-sayers...and suggest qualified counselors to those who just cannot handle the events.

Oh please link to us where this is old information, I'd love to see it.

 

[Samhain]

Gift tax? I see hispanics in line all the time to buy money orders with cash at the local Post Office and then sending them to Mexico. Are you sure they're paying a gift tax?

Any total under 14k for a given year is exempt, anything else above that is subject to the tax.

 

[beefheart]

Algodones. We took some visiting family for the day. Date shakes in Dateland and lunch and shopping in Algodones, pharmacy and booze for them at the purple store.

We are moving rapidly to full blown oligarchy.

I should have gone to Algodones, better prices, but Nogales was a fun quick trip.

 

[eohrnberger]

You don't think American companies benefit from trade with Mexico? Or are you one of the very few "socialist" Conservatives? Don't you think it is better for Mexicans to get jobs in Mexico or do you think they should all come here for work?

No. Not a "socialist" Conservative (WTF that is?)

Sure business benefits, as they move their jobs over seas and take advantage of the lower labor rates. Now, though, how does that benefit the electorate?
(OK, guess I should have been a bit more specific in my previous post)

 

[OpportunityCost]

And your point is...?

Your point was stupid. That taxing remittances is by no means difficult or burdensome.

 

[iguanaman]

No. Not a "socialist" Conservative (WTF that is?)

Sure business benefits, as they move their jobs over seas and take advantage of the lower labor rates. Now, though, how does that benefit the electorate?
(OK, guess I should have been a bit more specific in my previous post)

So you support trade barriers that would prevent foreign goods from competing to benefit the "electorate"? Are you sure you didn't mean Proletariat, comrade? The rest of the world has a rising middle class that would buy our goods but not if we won't buy theirs. Do you really think trade barriers would be beneficial in the long run?

 

[OpportunityCost]

:lol: yeah? Howyagonna do that?

CP, no offense, but you are letting your dislike of Trump blind you. It is extremely easy to tax remittances, they are done by cashier's check or wire, they are not mailed.

 

[iguanaman]

CP, no offense, but you are letting your dislike of Trump blind you. It is extremely easy to tax remittances, they are done by cashier's check or wire, they are not mailed.

Not now they aren't. They could be though.

 

[Thrilla]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...196314-fa7c-11e5-80e4-c381214de1a3_story.html

Hey, all you trumpkies, your man is a moron. This isn't legal, diplomatically smart or even doable. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

"cutting off" that flow might be on shaky legal ground... but assessing a tax on those transactions isn't... a few states already do exactly that.

politically speaking, the idea is probably dead in the water.... our politicians would much rather raise taxes on our middle class's income than tax US dollars that disappear into another country's economy.

 

[Red_Dave]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...196314-fa7c-11e5-80e4-c381214de1a3_story.html

Hey, all you trumpkies, your man is a moron. This isn't legal, diplomatically smart or even doable. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

So presumably you would have to ban paypal, western union and the like, harming your own economy in the process. Not to mention that the collapse of the Mexican economy would lead to, of course, more migrants.