Trump orders FEMA to halt payments to California as wildfire recovery continues (1 Viewer)

[JacksinPA]

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...ldfire-recovery-continues/2761547047672/?sl=2

Jan. 9 (UPI) -- President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he ordered the Federal Emergency Management Agency to cut off relief money for California as the state recovers from the deadliest wildfires in its history.

"Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forest fires that, with proper Forest Management, would never happen," Trump tweeted Wednesday. "Unless they get their act together, which is unlikely, I have ordered FEMA to send no more money. It is a disgraceful situation in lives & money."

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Trump is pretty transparent as to how he feels about BLUE states.

 

[JacksinPA]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-...-funds-for-california-fire-relief-11547046997

Trump Threatens to Block Emergency Funds for California Fire Relief

WASHINGTON—President Trump on Wednesday threatened to halt the flow of federal emergency relief funds to California unless officials there “get their act together” to prevent forest fires that have ravaged the state in recent months, killing dozens and destroying thousands of homes.

“Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forrest fires that, with proper Forrest Management, would never happen,” Mr. Trump tweeted Wednesday, the morning after delivering his first Oval Office address to the nation on border...[paywall]
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Trump is now an expert on forest fire management in CA.

 

[jimbo]

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...ldfire-recovery-continues/2761547047672/?sl=2

Jan. 9 (UPI) -- President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he ordered the Federal Emergency Management Agency to cut off relief money for California as the state recovers from the deadliest wildfires in its history.

"Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forest fires that, with proper Forest Management, would never happen," Trump tweeted Wednesday. "Unless they get their act together, which is unlikely, I have ordered FEMA to send no more money. It is a disgraceful situation in lives & money."

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Trump is pretty transparent as to how he feels about BLUE states.

President Trump has a point. The greenies have demanded the forests be left untouched and let nature take it's course. Natures course is removing unwanted materiel with fire. Some trees have seeds that only activate after a fire.

Whether or not that should translate to cutting off aid to citizens in need is debatable and a separate issue.

 

[Visbek]

President Trump has a point. The greenies have demanded the forests be left untouched and let nature take it's course....

No, actually, "greenies" figured out a long time ago that you need controlled burns and other active methods to keep forests healthy. Total suppression of fires dates back to the 1940s, when "greenies" weren't really around, and forest management was not well understood by anyone. After a few decades of total suppression, scientists realized in the 1960s that fire was an essential part of forest health.

The problem now is less about knowledge, and more about actually spending the money to protect forests.

"Greenies" also usually object to building communities in areas that are prone to fire. E.g. they are currently opposed to a "Centennial," a massive development near Los Angeles on a former ranch that, among other issues, is vulnerable to wildfires.

We should also note that something like clear-cutting forests (which environmentalists generally oppose, and people like Zinke suggest) does not actually save forests. That's like saying "you can cure lung cancer by killing the patient."

Annnnnd.... About half of the forests in California are under federal management. Since you missed it, we've had quite a few Republican administrations over the past ~50 years. Even with Democratic administrations, environmentalists don't often get their way.

Finally, unlike the Zinkes of the world, "greenies" realize that global warming is now a major threat to forests. Higher temperatures result in drier forests, which means that fires are more likely to spread faster, and be more intense. Just to be clear, AGW is not an example of "nature taking its course."

 

[Common Sense 1]

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Jan. 9 (UPI) -- President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he ordered the Federal Emergency Management Agency to cut off relief money for California as the state recovers from the deadliest wildfires in its history.

"Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forest fires that, with proper Forest Management, would never happen," Trump tweeted Wednesday. "Unless they get their act together, which is unlikely, I have ordered FEMA to send no more money. It is a disgraceful situation in lives & money."

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Trump is pretty transparent as to how he feels about BLUE states.

If the blue state is mismanaging a natural resource so be it! President Trump is right again.

Trump was right: California’s forests have been grossly mismanaged

https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article221683150.html

Trump is right. We do have a management problem on the state, federal level and local levels (in that order). This can be broken down into six key areas where we have failed: Access, logging, grazing, endangered species, water quality and air pollution.


Mismanaged, overcrowded forests provide fuel to historic California wildfires, experts say

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy/mismanaged-overcrowded-forests-provide-fuel-to-historic-california-wildfires-experts-say

Neglect and mismanagement have left western U.S. forests overcrowded, firefighting experts say, leaving them more susceptible to the kinds of major wildfires that are currently ravaging California.

“Our forests are dramatically overcrowded,” said Krystal Beckham of the Little Hoover Commission, an independent California oversight agency that has called for major changes in the state's forest management practices.

“There are some places where there may be four times as many trees as there should be,” Beckham said. “When you have trees that close together, they can’t get the water they need, so they are more susceptible to drought, insects, and disease. And when they start dying, they become a terrible fire threat.”

Actually, even California says Trump is right about the wildfires

https://nypost.com/2018/11/20/actually-even-california-says-trump-is-right-about-the-wildfires/

President Trump’s critics are belittling him for not buying the lefty narrative that global warming is to blame for the California wildfires. Instead, Trump points to decades of mistakes by government agencies that caused the woodlands to become overly dense and blanketed with highly flammable dead wood and underbrush.

He’s exactly right.

Just ask California officials. Two months ago, the state legislature enacted a measure that would expedite the removal of dead trees and use “prescribed burns” to thin forests. In other words: the very same reforms that Trump is now being mocked for proposing. The September law followed a Gov. Jerry Brown executive order earlier this year that also called for “controlled fires” to improve forest health.

 

[trouble13]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-...-funds-for-california-fire-relief-11547046997

Trump Threatens to Block Emergency Funds for California Fire Relief

WASHINGTON—President Trump on Wednesday threatened to halt the flow of federal emergency relief funds to California unless officials there “get their act together” to prevent forest fires that have ravaged the state in recent months, killing dozens and destroying thousands of homes.

“Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forrest fires that, with proper Forrest Management, would never happen,” Mr. Trump tweeted Wednesday, the morning after delivering his first Oval Office address to the nation on border...[paywall]
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Trump is now an expert on forest fire management in CA.

He cant be any worse at it than CA has been, lol

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[iguanaman]

President Trump has a point. The greenies have demanded the forests be left untouched and let nature take it's course. Natures course is removing unwanted materiel with fire. Some trees have seeds that only activate after a fire.

Whether or not that should translate to cutting off aid to citizens in need is debatable and a separate issue.

LOL Yes Trump thinks we need to rake the forest. He's a imbecile and an embarrassment.

President Trump will just say things off the top of his head, on any topic. Like suggesting we Californians rake our leaves so the floor of these vast forests stay clear. Let that sink in for a minute … Trump spoke with the president of Finland, Sauli Niinistö and Trump claims Niinistö told him about crews that were raking the leaves.

Unsurprisingly, Niinistö can’t recall ever saying that to anyone, let alone our president. Yes, they did talk about wildfires and yes Niinistö told Trump they take care of their forests with surveillance teams that look for wildfires, but raking leaves? Nope.

Trump says we need to rake the forest floorsBaltimore Post-Examiner

 

[GDViking]

We can take those children and parents that are criminals a d drug dealers crossing the border to work raking the forests of America, problem solved...

Trump is a bumbling idiot who knows absolutely nothing a out forestry and immigration...

 

[Tom Horn]

Maybe Californians will start to cut their grass next to the road soon?

 

[JustHanging]

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...ldfire-recovery-continues/2761547047672/?sl=2

Jan. 9 (UPI) -- President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he ordered the Federal Emergency Management Agency to cut off relief money for California as the state recovers from the deadliest wildfires in its history.

"Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forest fires that, with proper Forest Management, would never happen," Trump tweeted Wednesday. "Unless they get their act together, which is unlikely, I have ordered FEMA to send no more money. It is a disgraceful situation in lives & money."

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Trump is pretty transparent as to how he feels about BLUE states.

Once again Trump comments on something he's too lazy to spend even five minutes learning about.

Laziest POTUS ever.

 

[Grand Mal]

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...ldfire-recovery-continues/2761547047672/?sl=2

Jan. 9 (UPI) -- President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he ordered the Federal Emergency Management Agency to cut off relief money for California as the state recovers from the deadliest wildfires in its history.

"Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forest fires that, with proper Forest Management, would never happen," Trump tweeted Wednesday. "Unless they get their act together, which is unlikely, I have ordered FEMA to send no more money. It is a disgraceful situation in lives & money."

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Trump is pretty transparent as to how he feels about BLUE states.

Forest management. Of all the idiotic bilge that's come out of that buffoon's mouth, that term has to be nearly the dumbest.
Just clear-cut the state, I guess that's what he means.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

When there's a Dem president and there's a hurricane down south I HOPE he tells FEMA to tell those Red states to F'off because they were stupid to allow cities, hotels, developments, etc. to build near the coast, right in the path of hurricanes and where the hurricans will do the most damage...

 

[VanCleef]

If the blue state is mismanaging a natural resource so be it! President Trump is right again.

Trump was right: California’s forests have been grossly mismanaged

https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article221683150.html

Trump is right. We do have a management problem on the state, federal level and local levels (in that order). This can be broken down into six key areas where we have failed: Access, logging, grazing, endangered species, water quality and air pollution.


Mismanaged, overcrowded forests provide fuel to historic California wildfires, experts say

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy/mismanaged-overcrowded-forests-provide-fuel-to-historic-california-wildfires-experts-say

Neglect and mismanagement have left western U.S. forests overcrowded, firefighting experts say, leaving them more susceptible to the kinds of major wildfires that are currently ravaging California.

“Our forests are dramatically overcrowded,” said Krystal Beckham of the Little Hoover Commission, an independent California oversight agency that has called for major changes in the state's forest management practices.

“There are some places where there may be four times as many trees as there should be,” Beckham said. “When you have trees that close together, they can’t get the water they need, so they are more susceptible to drought, insects, and disease. And when they start dying, they become a terrible fire threat.”

Actually, even California says Trump is right about the wildfires

https://nypost.com/2018/11/20/actually-even-california-says-trump-is-right-about-the-wildfires/

President Trump’s critics are belittling him for not buying the lefty narrative that global warming is to blame for the California wildfires. Instead, Trump points to decades of mistakes by government agencies that caused the woodlands to become overly dense and blanketed with highly flammable dead wood and underbrush.

He’s exactly right.

Just ask California officials. Two months ago, the state legislature enacted a measure that would expedite the removal of dead trees and use “prescribed burns” to thin forests. In other words: the very same reforms that Trump is now being mocked for proposing. The September law followed a Gov. Jerry Brown executive order earlier this year that also called for “controlled fires” to improve forest health.

Your own articles,

California state and federal officials have responded to about 4,500 fires this year that have burned nearly 400,000 acres of land, easily outpacing last year's record burns.

Two months ago, the state legislature enacted a measure that would expedite the removal of dead trees and use “prescribed burns” to thin forests.

So why is he removing funding if they are no longer mis-managing? I mean, in 2018 they spent record amounts for this. They've made major improvements in 2018, why remove further funding?

And won't that just make matters worse?

With that being said, Trump is typically wrong on this issue:

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/11/trump-repeatedly-errs-on-california-wildfires/
https://www.politifact.com/californ...-overly-simplistic-and-false-claim-californi/

 

[JustHanging]

Maybe Californians will start to cut their grass next to the road soon?

And rake all the forests.


Trump says we need to rake the forest floors
Trump spoke with the president of Finland, Sauli Niinistö and Trump claims Niinistö told him about crews that were raking the leaves.

Once California gets their rakers lined up, I'm sure Trump will be happy to reinstate funding. Jesus, Dumb as Donald. SMH.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...ldfire-recovery-continues/2761547047672/?sl=2

Jan. 9 (UPI) -- President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he ordered the Federal Emergency Management Agency to cut off relief money for California as the state recovers from the deadliest wildfires in its history.

"Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forest fires that, with proper Forest Management, would never happen," Trump tweeted Wednesday. "Unless they get their act together, which is unlikely, I have ordered FEMA to send no more money. It is a disgraceful situation in lives & money."

Read more: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...covery-continues/2761547047672/#ixzz5c83pIwsb
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Trump is pretty transparent as to how he feels about BLUE states.

I will give Trump one thing, he sure does take care of the leeches in his base. California's residents have paid more in federal taxes than they got back in federal spending for decades. Despite this, since they didn't vote for Trump, he doesn't care. If he could funnel every cent California residents pay in federal taxes to the states that voted for him, most of which have always received far more in spending than the residents actually paid in, Trump would do it.

That is all that this is about. Trump doesn't care about forest health. He doesn't know the first thing about it. He just wants to reward the states that voted for him and to penalize the states that didn't as much as he can.

Trump only cares about those that have done something for him. That's it. Anytime you want to understand Trump's reasoning and motivations behind his actions, always start with "Trump, an utterly despicable human being....."

 

[Mr Person]

The people cheering on Trump's despicable partisan act would be screaming in fear and rage if we cut off the flow of money from blue to red states via federal tax & spend.

 

[SLC]

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...ldfire-recovery-continues/2761547047672/?sl=2

Jan. 9 (UPI) -- President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he ordered the Federal Emergency Management Agency to cut off relief money for California as the state recovers from the deadliest wildfires in its history.

"Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forest fires that, with proper Forest Management, would never happen," Trump tweeted Wednesday. "Unless they get their act together, which is unlikely, I have ordered FEMA to send no more money. It is a disgraceful situation in lives & money."

Read more: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...covery-continues/2761547047672/#ixzz5c83pIwsb
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Trump is pretty transparent as to how he feels about BLUE states.

Elections have consequences.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

Elections have consequences.

Yep... Remember that when the House goes after Trump and his crime family.

 

[Nickyjo]

If the blue state is mismanaging a natural resource so be it! President Trump is right again.

Trump was right: California’s forests have been grossly mismanaged

https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article221683150.html

Trump is right. We do have a management problem on the state, federal level and local levels (in that order). This can be broken down into six key areas where we have failed: Access, logging, grazing, endangered species, water quality and air pollution.


Mismanaged, overcrowded forests provide fuel to historic California wildfires, experts say

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy/mismanaged-overcrowded-forests-provide-fuel-to-historic-california-wildfires-experts-say

Neglect and mismanagement have left western U.S. forests overcrowded, firefighting experts say, leaving them more susceptible to the kinds of major wildfires that are currently ravaging California.

“Our forests are dramatically overcrowded,” said Krystal Beckham of the Little Hoover Commission, an independent California oversight agency that has called for major changes in the state's forest management practices.

“There are some places where there may be four times as many trees as there should be,” Beckham said. “When you have trees that close together, they can’t get the water they need, so they are more susceptible to drought, insects, and disease. And when they start dying, they become a terrible fire threat.”

Actually, even California says Trump is right about the wildfires

https://nypost.com/2018/11/20/actually-even-california-says-trump-is-right-about-the-wildfires/

President Trump’s critics are belittling him for not buying the lefty narrative that global warming is to blame for the California wildfires. Instead, Trump points to decades of mistakes by government agencies that caused the woodlands to become overly dense and blanketed with highly flammable dead wood and underbrush.

He’s exactly right.

Just ask California officials. Two months ago, the state legislature enacted a measure that would expedite the removal of dead trees and use “prescribed burns” to thin forests. In other words: the very same reforms that Trump is now being mocked for proposing. The September law followed a Gov. Jerry Brown executive order earlier this year that also called for “controlled fires” to improve forest health.

What part of NATIONAL forests do you not understand?

 

[Tom Horn]

And rake all the forests.


Trump says we need to rake the forest floors
Trump spoke with the president of Finland, Sauli Niinistö and Trump claims Niinistö told him about crews that were raking the leaves.

Once California gets their rakers lined up, I'm sure Trump will be happy to reinstate funding. Jesus, Dumb as Donald. SMH.

Just the first eight feet of road frontage. I believe they are supposed to keep cut the first four, but fail to do so.

 

[SLC]

When there's a Dem president and there's a hurricane down south I HOPE he tells FEMA to tell those Red states to F'off because they were stupid to allow cities, hotels, developments, etc. to build near the coast, right in the path of hurricanes and where the hurricans will do the most damage...

Yeah that would have worked for hurricane Sandy

 

[Helix]

Trump orders FEMA to halt payments to California as wildfire recovery continues

what a petty and disgusting scumbag.

 

[SLC]

Forest management. Of all the idiotic bilge that's come out of that buffoon's mouth, that term has to be nearly the dumbest.
Just clear-cut the state, I guess that's what he means.

https://lhc.ca.gov/report/fire-mountain-rethinking-forest-management-sierra-nevada

Report #242, February 2018

Fire on the Mountain: Rethinking Forest Management in the Sierra Nevada

During its review, the Commission found that California’s forests suffer from neglect and mismanagement, resulting in overcrowding that leaves them susceptible to disease, insects and wildfire. The Commission found commitment to long-lasting forest management changes at the highest levels of government, but that support for those changes needs to spread down not just through the state’s massive bureaucracy and law- and policymaking apparatuses, but among the general public as well. Complicating the management problem is the fact that the State of California owns very few of the forests within its borders – most are owned by the federal government or private landowners.

 

[SLC]

If the blue state is mismanaging a natural resource so be it! President Trump is right again.

Trump was right: California’s forests have been grossly mismanaged

https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article221683150.html

Trump is right. We do have a management problem on the state, federal level and local levels (in that order). This can be broken down into six key areas where we have failed: Access, logging, grazing, endangered species, water quality and air pollution.


Mismanaged, overcrowded forests provide fuel to historic California wildfires, experts say

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy/mismanaged-overcrowded-forests-provide-fuel-to-historic-california-wildfires-experts-say

Neglect and mismanagement have left western U.S. forests overcrowded, firefighting experts say, leaving them more susceptible to the kinds of major wildfires that are currently ravaging California.

“Our forests are dramatically overcrowded,” said Krystal Beckham of the Little Hoover Commission, an independent California oversight agency that has called for major changes in the state's forest management practices.

“There are some places where there may be four times as many trees as there should be,” Beckham said. “When you have trees that close together, they can’t get the water they need, so they are more susceptible to drought, insects, and disease. And when they start dying, they become a terrible fire threat.”

Actually, even California says Trump is right about the wildfires

https://nypost.com/2018/11/20/actually-even-california-says-trump-is-right-about-the-wildfires/

President Trump’s critics are belittling him for not buying the lefty narrative that global warming is to blame for the California wildfires. Instead, Trump points to decades of mistakes by government agencies that caused the woodlands to become overly dense and blanketed with highly flammable dead wood and underbrush.

He’s exactly right.

Just ask California officials. Two months ago, the state legislature enacted a measure that would expedite the removal of dead trees and use “prescribed burns” to thin forests. In other words: the very same reforms that Trump is now being mocked for proposing. The September law followed a Gov. Jerry Brown executive order earlier this year that also called for “controlled fires” to improve forest health.

Oh hush with your true facts you are destroying their bash Trump party.

 

[Moderate Right]

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...ldfire-recovery-continues/2761547047672/?sl=2

Jan. 9 (UPI) -- President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he ordered the Federal Emergency Management Agency to cut off relief money for California as the state recovers from the deadliest wildfires in its history.

"Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forest fires that, with proper Forest Management, would never happen," Trump tweeted Wednesday. "Unless they get their act together, which is unlikely, I have ordered FEMA to send no more money. It is a disgraceful situation in lives & money."

Read more: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...covery-continues/2761547047672/#ixzz5c83pIwsb
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Trump is pretty transparent as to how he feels about BLUE states.

This has nothing to do with fires or fire management. This is revenge against liberals for holding up his border wall.