Trump once again pushing a Vaccine that has not been proven safe and effective is reckless indeed

[Hamish Howl]

I don't believe these companies or the NIH would risk their integrity for President Trump.

You obviously believe otherwise.

I believe they would in a heartbeat.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I don't believe these companies or the NIH

I just showed you that NIH is still sounding the alarm, and you're ignoring it.

"LALALALALALALALALALA I can't hear you!!!"

I raised two small children, so I am familiar with how they respond to things that THEY don't want to see or hear.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I believe they would in a heartbeat.

I believe that a large number of persons in those companies are terrified because if they submit, they could destroy their reputation permanently, and if they do not submit, he could destroy their reputations permanently.

Hobson's Choice if ever there was one, yes?
Of is it a Sophie's Choice instead?
Maybe it's both.

And we've been THERE before as well, like back at the outset of the Cold War when Congress refused to fund BOTH Uranium AND Thorium nuclear reactor research, with the former proposed strictly for weapons manufacturing and the latter proposed for electric power.
The military wanted the former and Congress decided that Uranium fuel cycle would be okay for both weapons AND power generating.
So Thorium reactor designs were SHELVED, and the United States and the world have paid the price ever since.

 

[jnug]

Trump's performance during this Pandemic attack on America has been disgraceful. What we needed and still need from our Federal Government was so obvious and still to this day is not happening.

Trump's big moment was Ventilators. Well Ventilators are not a cure, they are not a remedy.They are a means for your doctors to stop the clock BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BREATH. Either you can't breath because the mechanisms that control your involuntary action of breathing are broken in which case you are probably in big big trouble or your Respiratory system itself is in big trouble in which case you have more of a shot. If you are put on a Ventilator more often than not it is because your doctor does not think you will survive the day. He is going to Intubate you and breath for you for some period of time while he tries to use an assortment of treatment cocktails to bring your lungs back. A ventilator is a last resort. As a mean average 35% of patients that go on one, don't make it. It was higher for COVID at the start. But they have learned enough about treating COVID to get it down to the 35% death rate for Ventilated patients. So if you are conscience before your doctor puts you under you can think about how grave your health situation is if your doctor is putting you on a ventilator. Your doctor knows there are risks inherent to your health from the ventilator itself. That was your big moment DonDon???? Whoopdie-ding-dong!!!

Now Trump has Dr Atlas running the WH COVID task force, a RADIOLOGIST who believes and supports the notion that we should pursue herd immunity via transmission of COVID in a country with 330M people.....an utter absurdity. Atlas claims that people from other countries call to ask him why are schools are not as yet open as if its some sort of mystery. Well, look at the progress made in those countries vs COVID and look at the abysmal performance vs COVID here in the US and you have your answer.

Trump has Hahn at FDA "preparing" the states for mass vaccines beginning Nov 1st, an utter impossibility unless a totally Frigged up, political EA is employed by FDA. But Nov 1st is two days before Election Day, Nov 3rd. So there ya' go. Hahn at FDA should be FIRED for incompetence and Redfield at CDC should resign out of embarrassment.

 

[bongsaway]

You might do the research and find that about 95% of those who die have 2-3 MAJOR health conditions.Mind telling me anything Trump said or did caused that?

Believe what you wish.

 

[Chuck9788]

Would you prefer death by a vaccine that was never deemed safe and effective?

I prefer avoiding the idea of destroying our national economy up until the point that a vaccine (which will not be 100% effective) is provided to the public.

 

[jnug]

You might do the research and find that about 95% of those who die have 2-3 MAJOR health conditions.Mind telling me anything Trump said or did caused that?

Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything when trying to rate the President's response to COVID. Co-morbidity is the case for many of the dead from COVID around the world. Still our consumption and death outpaces most of the western world by miles! We have now worked our way up to 11th worldwide. While we are a bio-chem powerhouse and the richest country on earth, we simply cannot handle COVID AT ALL because we are one of the few countries ON EARTH that has not mounted a National Response.

Those above us:
San Marino
Peru
Belgium
Andorra
UK
Spain
Chile
Brazil
Italy
Sweden
US

 

[Ginger Ale]

The real question is; Is it worth a worldwide depression that will last decades to NOT put a vaccine into use sooner?

I have talked to a few people, and I asked them if they are going to get the vaccine if it comes out in November. One, an avid Dem said, hell no! I won't get a vaccine that might not be safe just for political purposes. Another, a Q Anon Trumpet, and she said no, I never will get the vaccine no matter what. Satan worshipers made the virus just so they could sell us a vaccine and to top it off she's actually the nurse. lol

So, I ask you, who will get a rushed vaccine for a virus we know little about? Maybe a handful, but not enough to stop a great depression. So I think your point is moot.

 

[jnug]

No. He just botched the handling.


By the way, Trump can't control what a governor does or doesn't do. Trump sent a navy hospital ship to that fool.

And a Governor can not control what a President does or does not do. But only a President can declare a National Emergency and only the Federal Government can print money to pay to fight it.

Frankly it does not matter what you think or even what I think. The American people in poll after poll do not trust Trump on COVID and his favorability rating is so under water on COVID that he would have to climb to get to the bottom.

And Vaccines don't save lives. Vaccinations save lives. If people won't get the injections because they don't trust them Trump will have just set up back in the fight against COVID AGAIN!!!!

As for Dr Fauci being an idiot....the Anerican people have spoken on the topic as well. They trust Fauci and not Trump. In their eyes Fauci is the expert and Trump is the idiot.

 

[jnug]

And once again Donnie Boy is back to shamming people for masking up. Who did not see that coming? Shame on you Donnie....shame on you.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Reuters: “The top U.S. infectious diseases expert is warning that distributing a COVID-19 vaccine under special emergency use guidelines before it has been proved safe and effective in large trials is a bad idea.”

But despite Dr. Fauci’s warning, that’s exactly what Trump could do next -- and leading scientists are now worried that Trump’s push to approve a vaccine before Election Day may be incredibly dangerous.

With Dr. Fauci just trying to do his job and save lives -- and Trump not caring who he hurts as long as it keeps him in power --

Let's be smart, stand up for science and calling for all engaged politicians to do the same = be united in the interest of human kind!


Do you stand by Dr. Fauci or are you’re buying what snake oil salesman Trump is selling?

I'm with Fauci!

100% :applaud

 

[The AntiDonald]

It seems that the Democrats do not want a vaccine. They want to keep this hysteria going on as long as they can.

The Democrat goal is to destroy the US economy.

You might want to research what happened in 1976 under Ford's presidency. People died and some were permanently crippled. He has to halt the vaccine. He did it for political gain. It backfired.

 

[The AntiDonald]

A bit worrisome. The only problem is some people are getting side effects from COVID such as heart attacks, strokes, and organ damage within 3 months of having it. Even mild and no symptom cases.

I think we should at least have 3 months of a trial to ensure we don't have a second American Tragedy.

That said, I hope it works, and we are over this pandemic soon.

As long as Trump provides no national response and GOP governors (most) act like it's no big deal, we won't be out of this for another year at least.

Here's the thing. Trump supporters are for the most part mask deniers. They are for the most part vaccine deniers as well. Then there is another segment that has religious beliefs against vaccines. Then there those of us that won't trust a Trump vaccine being rolled out for political benefit. I would guess that no more than 35-40% of our population will even take the vaccine.

That's not a great outlook for the future of Covid-19.

 

[Paradoxical]

Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything when trying to rate the President's response to COVID. Co-morbidity is the case for many of the dead from COVID around the world. Still our consumption and death outpaces most of the western world by miles! We have now worked our way up to 11th worldwide. While we are a bio-chem powerhouse and the richest country on earth, we simply cannot handle COVID AT ALL because we are one of the few countries ON EARTH that has not mounted a National Response.

Those above us:
San Marino
Peru
Belgium
Andorra
UK
Spain
Chile
Brazil
Italy
Sweden
US

Why is this Trumps fault. Because the Goebbelsian news says it is over and over and you swallowed their lies?

 

[Paradoxical]

I have talked to a few people, and I asked them if they are going to get the vaccine if it comes out in November. One, an avid Dem said, hell no! I won't get a vaccine that might not be safe just for political purposes. Another, a Q Anon Trumpet, and she said no, I never will get the vaccine no matter what. Satan worshipers made the virus just so they could sell us a vaccine and to top it off she's actually the nurse. lol

So, I ask you, who will get a rushed vaccine for a virus we know little about? Maybe a handful, but not enough to stop a great depression. So I think your point is moot.

This is just the hysteria against anything Trump. It's called TDS.

 

[Paradoxical]

And a Governor can not control what a President does or does not do. But only a President can declare a National Emergency and only the Federal Government can print money to pay to fight it.

Frankly it does not matter what you think or even what I think. The American people in poll after poll do not trust Trump on COVID and his favorability rating is so under water on COVID that he would have to climb to get to the bottom.

And Vaccines don't save lives. Vaccinations save lives. If people won't get the injections because they don't trust them Trump will have just set up back in the fight against COVID AGAIN!!!!

As for Dr Fauci being an idiot....the Anerican people have spoken on the topic as well. They trust Fauci and not Trump. In their eyes Fauci is the expert and Trump is the idiot.

Humans are very easily indoctrinated into hate. The news has seen to that. When they are on 24/7 criticizing his every move and blaming him for everything, this is what you get. Humans filled with rage and hate.

 

[Helix]

My research explained that vaccines take a long while before a vaccine can be deemed safe and effective. About two years.

I've heard 18 months. However, I'm conflicted. This is AstraZeneca, I think.

Phase 3 Clinical Testing in the US of AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate Begins | National Institutes of Health (NIH)

The average person has no idea how seriously pharmaceutical companies take this kind of thing. One disaster, and your stock is in the toilet; maybe permanently. I don't work for this company, but I have industry experience, and I can tell you that the safety measures of modern pharmaceutical companies are rigorous.

 

[jnug]

As long as Trump provides no national response and GOP governors (most) act like it's no big deal, we won't be out of this for another year at least.

Here's the thing. Trump supporters are for the most part mask deniers. They are for the most part vaccine deniers as well. Then there is another segment that has religious beliefs against vaccines. Then there those of us that won't trust a Trump vaccine being rolled out for political benefit. I would guess that no more than 35-40% of our population will even take the vaccine.

That's not a great outlook for the future of Covid-19.

The model used to project deaths from COVID and which has regularly undershot the actuals now predicting 3,000 deaths per day in December mainly due to the combination of flu season with COVID and American COVID fatigue. We have made several efforts to put up s defensive front to COVID and walk our way out of this, mainly all failed due to the ineptitude of our Federal response.
- Our initial response was laughable, defined by idiocy like "one guy from China", "15 cases going to zero", "will magically disappear". We literally ate up 3 months of time that could have been used to effectively fight the virus in this garbage
- that dovetailed perfectly with not ramping up any sort of National Strategy and Plan for testing and tracing, hence managing NONE OF IT from a National Perspective. At the same time long after health officials stopped recommending that citizens not mask up as a means of saving critical PPE for the medical community Der Leader was still not encouraging masking up and distancing, does not encourage it to this day and is now back to shaming people for masking up. Effectively then we have eaten up 6-7 months in Trumpian GARBAGE
- now having wasted all of this time in divisive confusion and lack of leadership from the top, we find ourselves with an exhausted populace, an exhausted medical community headed right into fall flu season still facing ugly numbers for transmission and death before we even get there
- we now have a RADIOLOGIST heading the COVID task force and he is recommending herd immunity via transmission in a country of 330M people totally oblivious to the fact that simply allowing young people to just get COVID risks long term health consequences for them and provides no solution to what happens when younger healthier people take this virus home to their less healthy, less young parents and grandparents. Great idea Dr Death, I mean Dr Atlas.
- We now have a completely politicized CDC and FDA. Redfield at CDC continually releases new CDC guidance under pressure from Der Leader and tries to walk it back in the Press. Hahn at FDA is talking out his butthole. Hahn should be fired for incompetence and Redfield should resign in embarrassment

Of course, Pillsbury doughboy Donald was not responsible for the origin of COVID. However he has simply exhausted all the time we had and in many cases Americans earned while he traded horse crap for Science and here we are. We never got our transmission rates low enough going from what looked like a high of 35k per day only down to 20k per day where we plateaued before shooting up to over 65k per day. Now we have taken 65k per day and are plateaued again only now at about 40k per day in this recurring nightmare without end. So is it any wonder that the predictive models are aiming toward 3,000 deaths per day by December?

 

[jnug]

Humans are very easily indoctrinated into hate. The news has seen to that. When they are on 24/7 criticizing his every move and blaming him for everything, this is what you get. Humans filled with rage and hate.

See post 68

 

[Lovebug]

Reuters: “The top U.S. infectious diseases expert is warning that distributing a COVID-19 vaccine under special emergency use guidelines before it has been proved safe and effective in large trials is a bad idea.”

But despite Dr. Fauci’s warning, that’s exactly what Trump could do next -- and leading scientists are now worried that Trump’s push to approve a vaccine before Election Day may be incredibly dangerous.

With Dr. Fauci just trying to do his job and save lives -- and Trump not caring who he hurts as long as it keeps him in power --

Let's be smart, stand up for science and calling for all engaged politicians to do the same = be united in the interest of human kind!


Do you stand by Dr. Fauci or are you’re buying what snake oil salesman Trump is selling?

I'm with Fauci!

and here is our Gov, addressing distribution of a vaccine as if it is a done deal.
Gov. Lee addresses changes to COVID-19 cases by county, vaccination distribution plan - WBBJ TV

I guess he is hoping to save these guys, one of which is hoping to replace Senator Alexander
You can guess what I am so appalled about.
Sheriffs, mayors attend Q&A with Senate candidate Bill Hagerty - WBBJ TV

Scrolling down to the next headline, one finds that this town had a wake up call. I guess hanging out with good ol boys has its price
Death of longtime mayor from COVID-19 stuns Alabama town - ABC News

Thank the Lord our major retailers have made masks mandatory. It seems our leaders can't find their rear ends.

 

[Paradoxical]

See post 68

I saw that opinion piece from some unknown left wing radical. Now what?

The left is famous for carping from the bleachers and STILL have not answered my question pf why people in Sweden don't need masks or a shutdown.

Now we can include in this South Dakota and Manaus. When the one who wrote post 68 can explain Sweden, South Dakota and Manaus, please let me know.

People in almost every state have been wearing masks, social distancing and the economy shut down and even with that, four states back east had the highest death rates in the WORLD. Your side has no explanation for that except carping that it's somehow Trump's fault. Why? because your Joseph Goebbels in the media have conditioned you to hate Trump through continual repeating of lies.

 

[Paradoxical]

and here is our Gov, addressing distribution of a vaccine as if it is a done deal.
Gov. Lee addresses changes to COVID-19 cases by county, vaccination distribution plan - WBBJ TV

I guess he is hoping to save these guys, one of which is hoping to replace Senator Alexander
You can guess what I am so appalled about.
Sheriffs, mayors attend Q&A with Senate candidate Bill Hagerty - WBBJ TV

Scrolling down to the next headline, one finds that this town had a wake up call. I guess hanging out with good ol boys has its price
Death of longtime mayor from COVID-19 stuns Alabama town - ABC News

Thank the Lord our major retailers have made masks mandatory. It seems our leaders can't find their rear ends.

Dr. Fauci has been wrong more often than a broken clock. Why should anyone believe that dope?

 

[CaughtInThe]

If you don't know that Donald Trump is a con man by this point you either have something mentally wrong with you or you have no honor or integrity.

 

[Rexedgar]

If you don't know that Donald Trump is a con man by this point you either have something mentally wrong with you or you have no honor or integrity.

Trump supporters remind me of the scene in the film, “Master & Commander.” The young midshipman, who could do no right, hugged a cannonball and jumped overboard. I can’t find a clip. Trumpers are too deep to separate from the cannonball at this juncture.

 

[Lovebug]

Dr. Fauci has been wrong more often than a broken clock. Why should anyone believe that dope?

Then perhaps his doubters should volunteer to test this vaccine.