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Trump once again pushing a Vaccine that has not been proven safe and effective is reckless indeed

it's not his past non response that is killing the economy it's his present non response as well

not to worry, luxury items are flying off the shelves

this is only a middle and lower class crisis

Yeah but those two classes are the money generators for those luxury items and over ten million are out of work. Yet the stock markets are acting like the economy is great.
 
Yeah but those two classes are the money generators for those luxury items and over ten million are out of work. Yet the stock markets are acting like the economy is great.

Wall st and Main St have little to do with one another

On Main St people earn their money, on Wall street, well, it's a club.
 
Reuters: “The top U.S. infectious diseases expert is warning that distributing a COVID-19 vaccine under special emergency use guidelines before it has been proved safe and effective in large trials is a bad idea.”

But despite Dr. Fauci’s warning, that’s exactly what Trump could do next -- and leading scientists are now worried that Trump’s push to approve a vaccine before Election Day may be incredibly dangerous.

With Dr. Fauci just trying to do his job and save lives -- and Trump not caring who he hurts as long as it keeps him in power --

Let's be smart, stand up for science and calling for all engaged politicians to do the same = be united in the interest of human kind!


Do you stand by Dr. Fauci or are you’re buying what snake oil salesman Trump is selling?

I'm with Fauci!

For your reading. Are you saying these companies are liars?

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AstraZeneca announced Monday its vaccine candidate has entered the final testing stage in the U.S. The Cambridge, England-based company said the study will involve up to 30,000 adults from various racial, ethnic and geographic groups.

Two other vaccine candidates began final testing this summer in tens of thousands of people in the U.S. One was created by the National Institutes of Health and manufactured by Moderna Inc., and the other developed by Pfizer Inc. and Germany’s BioNTech.

Third virus vaccine reaches major hurdle: Final U.S. testing - POLITICO
 
Covid is killing the economy due to our president's non response for two months way back when. Denial is not a plan.

Please elaborate what Trump did NOT do that killed the economy.
 
Please elaborate what Trump did NOT do that killed the economy.

He did nothing but deny the seriousness and make fun of anyone who did. Fifteen soon to be zero. Everything is under control. Blah, blah, blah, lie after lie.
 
It doesn't matter if it works or kills, the election will be over. How can Trump loose anything no matter what he puts out for us to inject. Unless it's chlorox, instant results.
 
The GOP admin caused this pandemic economic crisis by ignoring their responsibility to keep the emergency preparedness inventory stocked up.*

Trump admin was advised in early 2017 by the military of this issue then the GOP turned a blind eye to the matter.*

The Obama admin also advised Trump in late 2016.*

Now nearly 185,000 humans have died due to GOP neglect. Is this murder or homicide?

About stimulus money which belongs to the taxpayers NOT elected officials and it is the taxpayers that put this money back into the economy almost immediately by way of groceries, car payments, shoes for the children, house repairs, health care etc etc etc.*

Taxpayers want our money WE did not ask for COVID 19 which has created massive unemployment. *Republicans screwed up big time. Pres Trump apparently thought pandemics was just going to be another word in his limited vocabulary.

Republicans specialize in screwing up the economy in every republican administration since Reagan-Bush thus Trump thinks he should be one more conservative robot. The entire GOP obviously just clicks their heels and cheers this crap on blindly.

Fauci warns against emergency coronavirus vaccine approval before widespread testing | TheHill

Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, is warning against prematurely distributing a potential coronavirus vaccine through an emergency use authorization, saying it could negatively harm the testing for other vaccines.

“The one thing that you would not want to see with a vaccine is getting an EUA [emergency use authorization] before you have a signal of efficacy,” Fauci, a key member of the White House coronavirus task force, said in an interview with Reuters.

He added that “one of the potential dangers if you prematurely let a vaccine out is that it would make it difficult, if not impossible, for the other vaccines to enroll people in their trial."


More than 100 possible vaccines to fight off the coronavirus are being developed around the world. Drug manufactures including Moderna, AstraZeneca and Pfizer have all developed candidates that are now in phase 3 clinical trials. The Maryland-based firm Novavax announced last week it was beginning phase 2 tests after early trials showed positive signs.

Fauci has previously said he is "cautiously optimistic" that a vaccine for COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, will be ready for use by the start of 2021. But he's also noted there's no guarantee a vaccine will be safe and effective.

“To me, it’s absolutely paramount that you definitively show that a vaccine is safe and effective, both,” Fauci told Reuters. “We would hope that nothing interferes with the full demonstration that a vaccine is safe and effective.”

His most recent comments to Reuters came just days after President Trump lashed out at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), claimed members of the "deep state" inside the FDA were making it difficult for drug companies to test coronavirus vaccines and therapeutics.

The comments were followed by Trump's announcement on Sunday of an emergency use authorization for convalescent plasma from recovered COVID-19 patients to treat current patients. The announcement triggered concerns from the scientific community, as well as skepticism about data cited by FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn.


Hahn said in a statement Tuesday that criticism of his remarks were justified, noting he should have said the "data show a relative risk reduction not an absolute risk reduction."
 
He did nothing but deny the seriousness and make fun of anyone who did. Fifteen soon to be zero. Everything is under control. Blah, blah, blah, lie after lie.

and.......? How did that affect how many people with serious medical conditions from dying or not? Could he do anything about the fact that 95% of the people had major medical conditions?

You do know that most all the people who died had major health problems before this, right?
 
Reuters: “The top U.S. infectious diseases expert is warning that distributing a COVID-19 vaccine under special emergency use guidelines before it has been proved safe and effective in large trials is a bad idea.”

But despite Dr. Fauci’s warning, that’s exactly what Trump could do next -- and leading scientists are now worried that Trump’s push to approve a vaccine before Election Day may be incredibly dangerous.

With Dr. Fauci just trying to do his job and save lives -- and Trump not caring who he hurts as long as it keeps him in power --

Let's be smart, stand up for science and calling for all engaged politicians to do the same = be united in the interest of human kind!


Do you stand by Dr. Fauci or are you’re buying what snake oil salesman Trump is selling?

I'm with Fauci!

I don't care who you're with. If you're worried, don't get the vaccine.
 
Millions have lost their jobs, 185,000 should not have died and thousands of employers are going out of business all due to the negligence of the right wing radical anti american GOP.

I say COVID 19 has been in America much longer than America was advised. Which brings forward the obvious question “ How long has COVID 19 been allowed penetrate the USA population?”

Expecting an honest answer is nonsense because GOP politicians cannot speak in those terms. They choose spin! The GOP has been negligent since day one.

Pay The Stimulus Money! IT'S PATRIOTIC!!!!!!

The negligent GOP Elected officials pay themselves more than $3,370 per week ( $174,000-$194,000 annually) plus a variety of expense accounts = Over rated and over paid!

Capitol Hill Is funneling billions upon billons of tax dollars from the COVID relief fund to the fossil fuel industry as we speak. This is reckless use of our tax dollars. Fossil fuel does NOT need bailed out.

We taxpayers should receive stimulus money @ $ 2000 twice a month to spend in the economy which would assist to insure job security and plenty of economic growth. After all tax dollars do belong to the taxpayers.

Taxpayers are a credible investment for they will see that the tax dollars get back into the economy
pronto aka the practical approach.

Reckless decisions by the GOP government has put millions out of work and 185,00 have died.

The employed did not ask the government to treat the potential coronavirus threat as if there was no reason for concern. As a result COVID 19 came upon us and is not going away. Meanwhile government is still advising no need to worry all will be swell.

Unemployed workers should also receive $600 per week. Perhaps until workers are called back to work or new employment is found that pays a part time living wage @ $33,000 annually or a full time living wage @ $64,500 annually.

No one knows when COVID 19 will go away. Therefore government assistance should remain in place until further notice. Subjecting the nations once employed work force or for that matter any of us to congressional irresponsible behavior every few weeks is not acceptable.

Taxpayers are a credible investment for they will see that the tax dollars get back into the economy pronto aka the practical approach.

Don’t rush out a vaccine, warns top US virus expert - Financial News

The top infectious disease expert in the US, Dr Anthony Fauci, has cautioned against pushing out a Covid-19 vaccine ahead of large trials that prove it's safe and effective to use. He argues the move could hamper development and testing of other vaccines.

US President Donald Trump has put pressure on the country's Food and Drug Administration to approve a vaccine amid campaigning for his re-election in November.

So far, more than 800,000 have lost their lives to the pandemic, with over 170,000 of the deaths in the US. But Fauci warned of the risks of rushing a vaccine out.

READ Oxford’s virus vaccine faces boycott on moral grounds

“The one thing that you would not want to see with a vaccine is getting an EUA (emergency use authorisation) before you have a signal of efficacy,” Fauci told Reuters in a phone interview.

“One of the potential dangers if you prematurely let a vaccine out is that it would make it difficult, if not impossible, for the other vaccines to enrol people in their trial,” Reuters reported.

Clinical trials led by pharma giants including AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Moderna have already begun and Johnson & Johnson last week announced plans to enrol 60,000 individuals in testing.

But the approval process has been drawn into the Trump's campaigning . On Saturday, the President tweeted that "deep state" elements at the FDA were engaged in delaying drug and vaccine approval in an effort to hurt his bid for re-election.

Fauci insists the FDA's guidance on approval for a vaccine is that it proves both safe and effective.

READ Donald Trump and Boris Johnson rated worst pandemic leaders in new poll
 
and.......? How did that affect how many people with serious medical conditions from dying or not? Could he do anything about the fact that 95% of the people had major medical conditions?

You do know that most all the people who died had major health problems before this, right?

Being alive is a major health problem?
 
It seems that the Democrats do not want a vaccine. They want to keep this hysteria going on as long as they can.

The Democrat goal is to destroy the US economy.

You think you're scoring points for your tribe but in reality you sound ridiculous.

There are a lot of reasons why it's a terrible idea, maybe take a look here.
 
It seems that the Democrats do not want a vaccine. They want to keep this hysteria going on as long as they can.

The Democrat goal is to destroy the US economy.

Please answer this question:

Are you in favor of forcing people to use an untested vaccine the moment it is pushed out there by Team Trump?
And if they refuse, are you in favor of punishing them with a variety of penalties?

Does Trump intend to punish anyone who refuses to accept his Trump University vaccine?
Lemme see, withhold renter protections, unemployment assistance, food stamps, cancel or revoke professional permits and licenses, instruct insurance to cancel healthcare policies for refuseniks...
 
Will you be first in line for the CV vaccine that has not been proven to be safe?

No. Decidedly no.
I will, however, be first in line to use antiviral medications as soon as they become available however.
And that's because the mechanism by which antiviral meds work is vastly different, in that they create a hostile environment for viral replication, thus ending the symptoms sooner and allowing recovery using the body's own natural defenses instead.
That's how Tamiflu works, for example. You still do GET the flu but your body has a better chance of fighting it off because the antiviral meds give the body extra time to ramp up antibody production, and together with certain steroid like dexamethasone you have a better chance of recovering sooner and with a bit less damage.

At least that is a stopgap measure until a safe and reliable vaccine comes out.
 
it's not his past non response that is killing the economy it's his present non response as well

not to worry, luxury items are flying off the shelves

this is only a middle and lower class crisis

His PRESENT response is Dr. Scott Atlas, a radiologist with ZERO experience in epidemiology and Atlas is pushing some kind of "herd immunity" and he thinks everyone should just go ahead and CATCH COVID and "get it over with".
Seeing as how he agrees with Trump on herd immunity, that doesn't jive well with fake plans to release the vaccine on Nov. 1st, does it?
Sounds like yet another reality TV script to me.
 
For your reading. Are you saying these companies are liars?

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AstraZeneca announced Monday its vaccine candidate has entered the final testing stage in the U.S. The Cambridge, England-based company said the study will involve up to 30,000 adults from various racial, ethnic and geographic groups.

Two other vaccine candidates began final testing this summer in tens of thousands of people in the U.S. One was created by the National Institutes of Health and manufactured by Moderna Inc., and the other developed by Pfizer Inc. and Germany’s BioNTech.

Third virus vaccine reaches major hurdle: Final U.S. testing - POLITICO

The criteria for testing has been stepped on by the Trump administration and it bears ZERO resemblance to actual testing regimens for vaccines.
This is a fact.
 
For your reading. Are you saying these companies are liars?

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AstraZeneca announced Monday its vaccine candidate has entered the final testing stage in the U.S. The Cambridge, England-based company said the study will involve up to 30,000 adults from various racial, ethnic and geographic groups.

Two other vaccine candidates began final testing this summer in tens of thousands of people in the U.S. One was created by the National Institutes of Health and manufactured by Moderna Inc., and the other developed by Pfizer Inc. and Germany’s BioNTech.

Third virus vaccine reaches major hurdle: Final U.S. testing - POLITICO

Astra-Zeneca releases the first "Trump vaccine" on an accelerated schedule and a thousand people die horrible agonizing deaths almost immediately. Now tell me how this possible scenario would affect the rest of the population.
Do you think the public will trust ANY vaccine that comes out after that?

Are you willing to blow the only chance we might have at beating this thing for a political victory?
 
Astra-Zeneca releases the first "Trump vaccine" on an accelerated schedule and a thousand people die horrible agonizing deaths almost immediately. Now tell me how this possible scenario would affect the rest of the population.
Do you think the public will trust ANY vaccine that comes out after that?

Are you willing to blow the only chance we might have at beating this thing for a political victory?

Back that up with facts. Oh, don't have any.

So you are callings these companies liars and the US NIH.
 
Being alive is a major health problem?

You might do the research and find that about 95% of those who die have 2-3 MAJOR health conditions.Mind telling me anything Trump said or did caused that?
 
Back that up with facts. Oh, don't have any.

So you are callings these companies liars and the US NIH.

Trump Suggests ‘Deep State’ At FDA Is Delaying Covid-19 Coronavirus Vaccine Testing

Scientists Worry About Political Influence Over Coronavirus Vaccine Project

Trump — without evidence — accuses ‘deep state, or whoever’ at FDA of delaying vaccine trials to affect November election

Trump suggests FDA slowing vaccine trials

Health officials ramp up effort to convince public that vaccine decisions will be based on science, not politics

By the way, the same NIH you mentioned is exactly the very agency that is cautioning the Trump administration on rushing an untested and unproven vaccine to distro channels.
Fauci...you know, that guy you folks think is an agent of "Thuh Deep State"? :lamo

And, seeing as how you twisted my words around, I'll remind everyone else that I simply presented a possible scenario and asked if anyone would be willing to blow our only chance just for the sake of a political victory.

After all, Astra-Zeneca and all the rest might feel the negative effects if a disaster scares most of the population away from accepting ANY vaccine, for anything, forever. If you ever wanted to turn the entire United States into a horde of anti-vaxxers, killing off thousands with an untested vaccine is a lead pipe cinch way of doing that.
It would be the very first time in world history that a vaccine's debut was a disaster from the very start...if such a thing were to happen.
 
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It seems that the Democrats do not want a vaccine. They want to keep this hysteria going on as long as they can.

The Democrat goal is to destroy the US economy.

We don't believe Trump or his minions. That is what happens when you lie so much.
 
Trump Suggests ‘Deep State’ At FDA Is Delaying Covid-19 Coronavirus Vaccine Testing

Scientists Worry About Political Influence Over Coronavirus Vaccine Project

Trump — without evidence — accuses ‘deep state, or whoever’ at FDA of delaying vaccine trials to affect November election

Trump suggests FDA slowing vaccine trials

Health officials ramp up effort to convince public that vaccine decisions will be based on science, not politics

By the way, the same NIH you mentioned is exactly the very agency that is cautioning the Trump administration on rushing an untested and unproven vaccine to distro channels.
Fauci...you know, that guy you folks think is an agent of "Thuh Deep State"? :lamo

And, seeing as how you twisted my words around, I'll remind everyone else that I simply presented a possible scenario and asked if anyone would be willing to blow our only chance just for the sake of a political victory.

After all, Astra-Zeneca and all the rest might feel the negative effects if a disaster scares most of the population away from accepting ANY vaccine, for anything, forever. If you ever wanted to turn the entire United States into a horde of anti-vaxxers, killing off thousands with an untested vaccine is a lead pipe cinch way of doing that.
It would be the very first time in world history that a vaccine's debut was a disaster from the very start...if such a thing were to happen.

I don't believe these companies or the NIH would risk their integrity for President Trump.

You obviously believe otherwise.
 
I don't believe these companies or the NIH would risk their integrity for President Trump.

You obviously believe otherwise.

Then don't believe it. Far be it from me to expect facts to change the mind of a hardened Trump supporter.
For folks like you, discovering that Trump is gaming the system for political gain would simply trigger another round of excuses to protect him at all costs, and in the end, that is quite possibly the biggest crisis this society is face to face with because Trump supporters have made it crystal clear that NOTHING is more important than protecting him, even if it means putting the entire Constitution in the fire, even if it means sacrificing democracy and all our basic civil institutions on the chopping block, even if it means hunting down all those who do not support him and punishing them by any means he deems fit.
You've even demonstrated that the very Rule of Law itself is meaningless by simple virtue of the fact that you regard him as being above the law.

And the reason all of that makes it the most dangerous crisis we face is very simple:
We (the world) have been here before.

Of course, the times the world has managed to extricate itself from a crisis such as this, you were "here before" as well, in the aftermath.
 
It seems that the Democrats do not want a vaccine. They want to keep this hysteria going on as long as they can.

The Democrat goal is to destroy the US economy.

Possibly, but how could they do any better at this than Trump?
 
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