Trump lies about pre-existing conditions right to voter's face

[JasperL]

The Supreme Court will not rule on the ACA case until this coming Spring.

There will be ample time between November 4 and the date the ACA is potentially repealed for Republicans to submit, and for Congress to pass a replacement plan.

Anyone who interprets that the new plan passed when and if the ACA is repealed will not protect pre-existing conditions did not follow Trump, Rubio, or Cruz during the 2016 primaries, and has not watched Fox or any conservative media for the past four years. And probably has no Republican friends.

I've addressed this point many times. If you want to go back and answer "how" they'll "protect" pre-existing conditions, we can have a conversation. Until then, I don't care about empty, worthless promises that the GOP have been making for a decade now, Trump for five years.

 

[JasperL]

Stephanopolous lied twice during this town hall.

Biden lied 5 or 6 times during his town hall.

You all are in no position to accuse us, or Trump, of lying.

You said an article laid out plans that "Democrats will encourage violent revolt." That was untrue, and the only question is whether you were "lying" or recklessly indifferent to the truth. I don't really care why, but you can tell us if you want.

 

[JasperL]

What if I google “Trump’s healthcare plan?” What will I find?

The end of the Internet?
The first ever Google result with no matches?
A black hole (see below)?

 

[Aunt Antifa]

The end of the Internet?
The first ever Google result with no matches?
A black hole (see below)?

Grade A content.

 

[Threegoofs]

Stephanopolous lied twice during this town hall.

Biden lied 5 or 6 times during his town hall.

You all are in no position to accuse us, or Trump, of lying.

Sure they did.

 

[Greenbeard]

He helped put forth a Republican bill in 2017, and the bill protected people with pre-existing conditions, as I referenced in Post 491.

That bill does not protect people with pre-existing conditions. Period. The Affordable Care Act is what created the provision you're leaning on here, guaranteed issue. The GOP's bill does not restore guaranteed issue rules in the event the ACA is eliminated.

Meanwhile, eliminating the ACA is the GOP's legal strategy.

If the GOP's lawsuit succeeded and they passed their 2017 bill the next day, people with pre-existing conditions would have no protections. Thus their "plan" as everyone has pointed out, is to bring back pre-existing conditions and punish the sick.

 

[Greenbeard]

Trump lies to the face of Americans everyday. Even some of his most loyal supporter's acknowledge that fact.

I am just wondering why this particular lie merits a thread of it's own? It's not that I object but if we started a thread every time Trump tells a lie, it would be impossible to keep up with all the threads.

Just saying.........

Because this is a big one. Half of the country has a pre-existing condition. We're in the middle of a pandemic and the long-term health impacts of COVID remain unknown but millions of Americans are picking up new pre-existing conditions because of it.

Meanwhile the GOP's lawsuit to bring back pre-existing conditions will go before the SCOTUS a week after election day. With RBG's death, the GOP's frivolous lawsuit now has a real shot to succeed. Which would strip tens of millions of people of their coverage immediately, threaten coverage for tens of millions more who have a pre-existing condition, and severely damage the American health system in a few hundred other ways.

This is a Trump lie worth commenting on. Indeed, it's one worth building a campaign around.

 

[skeptic llc]

As I have pointed out and ignored our current Medical system has done a better job in managing the virus that other countries with Universal Healthcare as the death percentage to infections shows. Wonder if it has anything to with the long wait times in these countries? Better look at potential consequences for Medicare for All before going beyond the point of no return

Umm, no. Here are ALL the countries on the entire plant with worse death rates: San Marino, Peru, Belgium, Andorra, Spain, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Ecuador. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries. You are literally just making &*^% up to defend your bone spurs messiah. Please stop.

 

[ClaraD]

Because this is a big one. Half of the country has a pre-existing condition. We're in the middle of a pandemic and the long-term health impacts of COVID remain unknown but millions of Americans are picking up new pre-existing conditions because of it.

Meanwhile the GOP's lawsuit to bring back pre-existing conditions will go before the SCOTUS a week after election day. With RBG's death, the GOP's frivolous lawsuit now has a real shot to succeed. Which would strip tens of millions of people of their coverage immediately, threaten coverage for tens of millions more who have a pre-existing condition, and severely damage the American health system in a few hundred other ways.

This is a Trump lie worth commenting on. Indeed, it's one worth building a campaign around.

more than half have a pre existing condition....

 

[Greenbeard]

Your belief that healthcare is the responsibility of the Federal taxpayers defies reality, logic and common sense. You have Massachusetts Healthcare don't you? Why then such passion for universal healthcare funded by the Federal Taxpayers coming from all over the nation ignores the cost of living in those states, the role incentive plays in those states, and the freedoms that people have in this country to yes even make bad choices.

The beauty of the ACA is that it doesn't ignore the cost of living in different states, the role incentives play, or the freedoms people have in this country.

Meanwhile, the Biden plan to beef up the ACA will expand coverage to millions of Americans and make coverage more affordable for millions more.

Contrast that with Trump/GOP plan to bring back pre-existing conditions and eliminate financial help for millions of families. And, just for your interest, also jack up Medicare premiums and bring back the prescription drug donut hole that the ACA eliminated.

 

[Conservative]

The beauty of the ACA is that it doesn't ignore the cost of living in different states, the role incentives play, or the freedoms people have in this country.

Meanwhile, the Biden plan to beef up the ACA will expand coverage to millions of Americans and make coverage more affordable for millions more.

Contrast that with Trump/GOP plan to bring back pre-existing conditions and eliminate financial help for millions of families. And, just for your interest, also jack up Medicare premiums and bring back the prescription drug donut hole that the ACA eliminated.

there is no beauty of ACA as it was rejected by the electorate leaving 33 million Americans uninsured at its peak in 2016. Your belief that healthcare is a federal responsibility is typical of socialist loving liberals in your state. You refuse to tell us how you benefit from ACA nationwide and why healthcare isn't a state and local responsibility

 

[ClaraD]

there is no beauty of ACA as it was rejected by the electorate leaving 33 million Americans uninsured at its peak in 2016. Your belief that healthcare is a federal responsibility is typical of socialist loving liberals in your state. You refuse to tell us how you benefit from ACA nationwide and why healthcare isn't a state and local responsibility

really?

Obamacare and the ACA: Facts To Help You Maximize Your Benefits

Get the facts about Obamacare, including how it works, who is eligible, and the benefits it offers. Knowing the facts helps you get everything you deserve from the ACA.

www.thebalance.com

20 million Americans that did not have coverage, now do...I am one of those.

 

[Conservative]

really?

Obamacare and the ACA: Facts To Help You Maximize Your Benefits

Get the facts about Obamacare, including how it works, who is eligible, and the benefits it offers. Knowing the facts helps you get everything you deserve from the ACA.

www.thebalance.com

20 million Americans that did not have coverage, now do...I am one of those.

learned a long time ago about something apparently you never did, personal responsibility. I also learned that healthcare expenses are state and local and that states can and do offer services. You buy the liberal spin and have adopted the liberal ideology that someone else should fund your personal responsibility issues. Harris/Biden are exactly who you need even though we cannot afford. Selfishness really resides in the liberal world and yours.

 

[Greenbeard]

there is no beauty of ACA as it was rejected by the electorate leaving 33 million Americans uninsured at its peak in 2016. Your belief that healthcare is a federal responsibility is typical of socialist loving liberals in your state. You refuse to tell us how you benefit from ACA nationwide and why healthcare isn't a state and local responsibility

Everyone benefits from the ACA. It helps friends, neighbors, and family access affordable coverage, and it holds down health care cost growth for all of us. It's helped countless Americans catch cancer earlier, avoid cardiac episodes, and prevent the deaths of children and mothers in childbirth. It helps train medical professionals and makes hospitals safer environments for patients. It's moved the entire health care market toward becoming one that sells and is accountable for health outcomes, not for simply churning out an endless stream of health widgets. It makes the government a better steward of taxpayer dollars. If you're a patient, a taxpayer, a friend or family member, or just a human being, the ACA helps you.

And it wasn't rejected by the electorate, not only did the electorate re-elect Obama (he's the "Obama" in Obamacare), we just ran a health care election in 2018 and it led to the largest midterm margin of all time for the Dems running to defend the ACA.

learned a long time ago about something apparently you never did, personal responsibility. I also learned that healthcare expenses are state and local and that states can and do offer services.

Go ahead and trade your Medicare for Texas Medicaid if you've learned health care is a state responsibility. We both know you never would.

 

[Conservative]

Everyone benefits from the ACA. It helps friends, neighbors, and family access affordable coverage, and it holds down health care cost growth for all of us. It's helped countless Americans catch cancer earlier, avoid cardiac episodes, and prevent the deaths of children and mothers in childbirth. It helps train medical professionals and makes hospitals safer environments for patients. It's moved the entire health care market toward becoming one that sells and is accountable for health outcomes, not for simply churning out an endless stream of health widgets. It makes the government a better steward of taxpayer dollars. If you're a patient, a taxpayer, a friend or family member, or just a human being, the ACA helps you.

And it wasn't rejected by the electorate, not only did they re-elect Obama (he's the "Obama" in Obamacare), we just ran a health care election in 2018 and it l
ed to the largest midterm margin of all time for the Dems running to defend the ACA.



Go ahead and trade your Medicare for Texas Medicaid if you've learned health care is a state responsibility. We both know you never would.

Are you this poorly educated? I paid for my fricken Medicare for 35 years, you tell me where you paid for ACA? I didn't contribute to Medicaid, I contributed to Medicare. The education system in Massachusetts is embarrassing, spent 9 months there and found that most live with an entitlement mentality where funding for personal responsibility issues comes from someone else

You ever going to tell us why you have such passion for ACA and how you are personally benefiting?

 

[Greenbeard]

Are you this poorly educated? I paid for my fricken Medicare for 35 years, you tell me where you paid for ACA? I didn't contribute to Medicaid, I contributed to Medicare. The education system in Massachusetts is embarrassing, spent 9 months there and found that most live with an entitlement mentality where funding for personal responsibility issues comes from someone else

"I'm keeping my Medicare!" growls the guy arguing health care isn't a federal responsibility and accusing others of living with "an entitlement mentality."

For the record, I agree with you that there's obviously a critical role for federal financing and programs when it comes to health care. If we can keep the GOP away from it, your Medicare will be fine. The ACA was able to expand Medicare benefits while saving hundreds of billions in Medicare costs!

 

[Rogue Valley]

learned a long time ago about something apparently you never did, personal responsibility.

Personal responsibility? The GOP jettisoned that concept over a decade ago.

Most of the Western democracies insure their citizens for less outlay and with better results.

The GOP has had at least 10 years to craft a healthcare plan better than Obamacare. Nothing. Zero. Bupkis.

The GOP doesn't want to tend to its constituents. The GOP only wants to fatten the profit margins of health insurers and the hospital/pharma corporations.

Their campaign donors.

 

[Conservative]

"I'm keeping my Medicare!" growls the guy arguing health care isn't a federal responsibility and accusing others of living with "an entitlement mentality."

For the record, I agree with you that there's obviously a critical role for federal financing and programs when it comes to health care. If we can keep the GOP away from it, your Medicare will be fine. The ACA was able to expand Medicare benefits while saving hundreds of billions in Medicare costs!

You cannot seem to grasp the reality that Medicare is funded by FORCED Contributions taken from me for 35 years and that is different than ACA. I have no problem giving up my Medicare when I get back the contributions I have made for those 35 years.

You post like a child totally clueless about Medicare that isn't what you think it is, I lost my doctor, I lost my hospital and had to pick up a supplement to keep both. So paying into Medicare for 35 years and another 180 per month is my cost for healthcare, something you cannot understand/

Medicare isn't fine, it was a slush fund for the federal bureaucrats who borrowed and never repaid. Medicare currently reaches approximately 44 million people and is headed towards a funding problem try adding another 290,000,000 million to the problem who pays for it?

Are you really this poorly informed?

 

[Greenbeard]

You cannot seem to grasp the reality that Medicare is funded by FORCED Contributions taken from me for 35 years and that is different than ACA. I have no problem giving up my Medicare when I get back the contributions I have made for those 35 years.

I wasn't suggesting you give up Medicare for nothing. I was suggesting an even swap--you disenroll from Medicare and get to enroll in Texas Medicaid at no additional cost to you. You get to swap a federal program for a state-run program. A big ideological win for you!

I assume you would take that deal in a heartbeat if it were offered. Health care being a state responsibility and all.

 

[Conservative]

I wasn't suggesting you give up Medicare for nothing. I was suggesting an even swap--you disenroll from Medicare and get to enroll in Texas Medicaid at no additional cost to you. You get to swap a federal program for a state-run program. A big ideological win for you!

I assume you would take that deal in a heartbeat if it were offered. Health care being a state responsibility and all.

I am not eligible for TX Medicaid, give me my contribution back from SS and Medicare and let me decide what to do with my money, a real novel concept for people from your state who depend on someone else to take care of yours. Who pays for ACA? I paid for Medicare for 35 years!!!!

 

[Greenbeard]

I am not eligible for TX Medicaid

Not really getting the hypothetical, huh. Or just twisting like a pretzel to avoid admitting you prefer a federal health program to a state one.

give me my contribution back from SS and Medicare and let me decide what to do with my money

Got any pre-existing conditions? I don't think you'd like what Trump's commercial market would look like for you.

 

[99percenter]

Not really getting the hypothetical, huh. Or just twisting like a pretzel to avoid admitting you prefer a federal health program to a state one.



Got any pre-existing conditions? I don't think you'd like what Trump's commercial market would look like for you.

 

[Conservative]

Not really getting the hypothetical, huh. Or just twisting like a pretzel to avoid admitting you prefer a federal health program to a state one.



Got any pre-existing conditions? I don't think you'd like what Trump's commercial market would look like for you.

Where did you get that idea? Did I have a choice over 35 years ago to contribute to SS and Medicare? Are you really this poorly informed and educated?

You really have no idea what you are talking about, 35 years of FORCED contributions and you want me to give that up? That explains a lot about you and why you are a liberal, no consequences for poor choices in life, always someone else to bail you out

 

[Greenbeard]

Where did you get that idea? Did I have a choice over 35 years ago to contribute to SS and Medicare? Are you really this poorly informed and educated?

You really have no idea what you are talking about, 35 years of FORCED contributions and you want me to give that up? That explains a lot about you and why you are a liberal, no consequences for poor choices in life, always someone else to bail you out

 

[Conservative]

Cute, doesn't hide your ignorance of how Medicare and ACA are funded. You have no problem taking from someone else do you?