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Trump lies about pre-existing conditions right to voter's face

There are no articles confirming any such thing, and the good news is we won’t have to worry about that scenario. And one of the reasons Trump is losing is because he has promised to take away healthcare.
Check Google regarding Democrats and violent intentions.

Trump has not promised to take away healthcare. The ACA is not the definition of healthcare, it is a quasi-socialist piece of legislation that has nearly bankrupted working class Americans who don’t have employer-provided healthcare.

At this point, I will assume that the Biden campaign has been instructed to lie, with the intention of trying to deceive Americans in regards to healthcare.

Liberal posters are repeatedly posting information they know to be misleading or false.
 
Check Google regarding Democrats and violent intentions.

Trump has not promised to take away healthcare. The ACA is not the definition of healthcare, it is a quasi-socialist piece of legislation that has nearly bankrupted working class Americans who don’t have employer-provided healthcare.

At this point, I will assume that the Biden campaign has been instructed to lie, with the intention of trying to deceive Americans in regards to healthcare.

Liberal posters are repeatedly posting information they know to be misleading or false.

If you can’t back up your claims, don’t make ‘em.
 
But it’s on Google!

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Usually I’m not super cynical when someone claims there are articles online confirming plans for anarchist rioting, but this time I wondered.
 
Just an atrocious series of lies from Trump last night about pre-existing condition protections, right to the face of a voter with a serious health condition.

He claims the Dems, who banned pre-existing conditions and have fended off ten years of GOP efforts to reinstate them, will bring them back (they won't), he claims he will protect people with pre-existing conditions (he's in court right now trying to bring pre-existing conditions back), he claims he has a plan "all ready" (he doesn't), he claims Obamacare was a disaster (it isn't), he claims he essentially repealed Obamacare (he didn't), he claims he's running Obamacare well (he's not), and he claims junk insurance is better than insurance that has protections for people with pre-existing conditions (it's not, and indeed threatens the latter).

The blank look on Trump's face as Stephanopoulos reels off the things in the ACA Trump is trying to strike down in the courts says it all.

Trump's ABC town hall: President faces tough questions on coronavirus response, health care, racial injustice




Disgusting.


Trump lies to the face of Americans everyday. Even some of his most loyal supporter's acknowledge that fact.

I am just wondering why this particular lie merits a thread of it's own? It's not that I object but if we started a thread every time Trump tells a lie, it would be impossible to keep up with all the threads.

Just saying.........
 
Check Google regarding Democrats and violent intentions.

Trump has not promised to take away healthcare. The ACA is not the definition of healthcare, it is a quasi-socialist piece of legislation that has nearly bankrupted working class Americans who don’t have employer-provided healthcare.

At this point, I will assume that the Biden campaign has been instructed to lie, with the intention of trying to deceive Americans in regards to healthcare.

Liberal posters are repeatedly posting information they know to be misleading or false.

The ACA is how people with pre-existing conditions have health insurance. Trump is suing in court to overturn the ACA.

He cannot protect pre-existing conditions with an executive order, he doesn't have that authority. He doesn't have a healthcare plan that does this. The GOP doesn't have one either. They've had an entire decade to present an alternative. They have given you NOTHING.
 
The ACA is how people with pre-existing conditions have health insurance. Trump is suing in court to overturn the ACA.

He cannot protect pre-existing conditions with an executive order, he doesn't have that authority.

He can protect pre-existing conditions with a new bill, just like he attempted to do in 2017. The 2017 bill preserved the pre-existing condition guarantee.

The Supreme Court cannot rule until this coming Spring, this is the timeline they are on.

There is plenty of time between November 4 and this coming spring to pass a new bill.
 
right, anyone who adheres to the Constitution is an activist Judge in the liberal world. Congress makes the laws, not the courts

I agree, so why is the GOP begging the USSC and Roberts et al. to make laws, or in this case repeal a law that's been on the books for a decade? That's the job of the legislature, but the GOP are too lazy, stupid and incompetent to get it done themselves, so they're hoping maybe the courts can legislate a repeal from the bench.
 
Trump lies to the face of Americans everyday. Even some of his most loyal supporter's acknowledge that fact.

Source for your second sentence please lol. And your first sentence, for that matter.

BTW Biden was fact checked by ABC during the CNN town hall. He lied repeatedly.

Please provide an example of an instance where a Trump lied about his policy proposals.
 
I agree, so why is the GOP begging the USSC and Roberts et al. to make laws, or in this case repeal a law that's been on the books for a decade? That's the job of the legislature, but the GOP are too lazy, stupid and incompetent to get it done themselves, so they're hoping maybe the courts can legislate a repeal from the bench.

What laws are the GOP begging the USSC to create?? You do realize that there are two Houses in Congress, one that is participating in a do nothing politics of personal destruction and one that is actually doing some good. Time to take back the House and get this country moving again like it did the first three years of Trump pre pandemic
 
Usually I’m not super cynical when someone claims there are articles online confirming plans for anarchist rioting, but this time I wondered.
I will link the article later, when I get home.

If you Google “Democrats Armageddon Option,” If comes up, it’s an Axios article.

Not a good idea to take 3Goofs word for anything BTW. Big mistake.
 
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At this point, I am going to assume that you, and the Biden campaign, are purposely trying to mislead the American public.

You are an intelligent enough poster to understand that opposing the ACA does not mean you oppose the pre-existing condition guarantee.

You think that if you state this enough, people will believe you.

The 2017 Republican sponsored bill INCLUDED the pre-existing condition guarantee.

You keep repeating this statement but the "guarantee" was worthless. What it "guaranteed" was e.g. BCBS couldn't deny you coverage, but they could charge you, say, $10,000 or $20,000 per month in premiums, or provide you a policy with a $50,000 lifetime limit, which is worthless for many serious illnesses.

I will similarly GUARANTEE every citizen the right to a LearJet!!! No one selling LearJets can "deny" you the right to buy one!!

There's one for sale up the road from me for only $3.5 million, and you can have it for monthly payments as low as $21,000 per month! That's just as meaningful as the "guarantee" in the GOP healthcare bill.

If this threatens you, then this is not about pre-existing conditions.

It is about you needing Obama to get credit for healthcare reform, and not Trump.

Obama actually passed the PPACA. Trump has promised us the promised land for healthcare reform for 5 years now and we're still waiting. He can't get credit for "healthcare reform" until he tells us what he wants to do, AND gets it done. So far Trump is a bucket of fail, lots of empty, worthless, broken promises.
 
I will link the article later, when I get home.

If you Google “Democrats Armageddon Option,” If comes up, it’s an Axios article.

Not a good idea to take 3Goofs word for anything BTW. Big mistake.

I found the article. You are lying. There's not a word in there about "Democrats will encourage violent revolt."
 
I found the article. You are lying. There's not a word in there about "Democrats will encourage violent revolt."

‘Lying’ seems overwrought.

‘Clueless and gullible’ seems more appropriate, and in context with his entire posting history, very accurate.
 
‘Lying’ seems overwrought.

‘Clueless and gullible’ seems more appropriate, and in context with his entire posting history, very accurate.

Perhaps. It's like Trump. How do you distinguish a reckless indifference to the facts that results in writing dozens of falsehoods, and repeating them despite being corrected, multiple times, versus someone who is deliberately lying?

Anyway, I'm not too worried about it. I'm over giving people who spend their entire time on DP telling falsehoods for Trump the benefit of the doubt. I don't really care why anymore.
 
I will link the article later, when I get home.

If you Google “Democrats Armageddon Option,” If comes up, it’s an Axios article.

Not a good idea to take 3Goofs word for anything BTW. Big mistake.

What if I google “Trump’s healthcare plan?” What will I find?
 
You all are now lying outright.

He helped put forth a Republican bill in 2017, and the bill protected people with pre-existing conditions, as I referenced in Post 491.

The entire 2016 Republican primary debates focused on repeal and replace.

All of you who are arguing this have obviously not tuned into Fox once over the course of the past four years, did not follow the Republican primary debates in 2016, and have absolutely no clue that Republicans have stood for preserving the pre-existing condition guarantee for the past four years.

Again, to repeat this, the 2017 Republican sponsored healthcare bill protected people with pre-existing conditions.
Putting people with preexisting conditions in high risk pools with premiums they cannot afford is not protecting anyone. That is the GOP "solution" and don't deny it.
 
Perhaps. It's like Trump. How do you distinguish a reckless indifference to the facts that results in writing dozens of falsehoods, and repeating them despite being corrected, multiple times, versus someone who is deliberately lying?

Anyway, I'm not too worried about it. I'm over giving people who spend their entire time on DP telling falsehoods for Trump the benefit of the doubt. I don't really care why anymore.

I’d say Trump is lying.

I think some of his followers are just gullible, although many of them lie too.
 
You keep repeating this statement but the "guarantee" was worthless. What it "guaranteed" was e.g. BCBS couldn't deny you coverage, but they could charge you, say, $10,000 or $20,000 per month in premiums, or provide you a policy with a $50,000 lifetime limit, which is worthless for many serious illnesses.

This is a hypothetical argument.

BCBS, under the ACA, can also charge working class Americans, who have to buy their own insurance, $5000 per month, with a friendly $10,000 deductible for major surgeries. Which would bankrupt, and even kill, working class individuals who developed a serious condition while they were covered.

All Obamacare does is shift the financial burden from the most financially needy to the working class whose insurance is not covered by an employer.

More importantly, Stephanopolous did not tell Trump he was risking higher rates for those with pre-existing conditions. He claimed that Trump wanted to “strike down” the pre-existing condition guarantee.
 
I’d say Trump is lying.

I think some of his followers are just gullible, although many of them lie too.

Stephanopolous lied twice during this town hall.

Biden lied 5 or 6 times during his town hall.

You all are in no position to accuse us, or Trump, of lying.
 
Let's just stop there. Trump is trying to repeal the ACA in its entirety. There's no plan to replace it that will protect pre-existing conditions. If the courts agree, they end immediately, and millions will lose subsidies, insurance, the Medicaid expansion goes away, and insurers will be free to exclude and will exclude those with pre-existing conditions.

That's what Trump is doing, what his actions will cause. There is no honest interpretation that repealing the ACA, root and branch, will protect pre-existing conditions.


The Supreme Court will not rule on the ACA case until this coming Spring.

There will be ample time between November 4 and the date the ACA is potentially repealed for Republicans to submit, and for Congress to pass a replacement plan.

Anyone who interprets that the new plan passed when and if the ACA is repealed will not protect pre-existing conditions did not follow Trump, Rubio, or Cruz during the 2016 primaries, and has not watched Fox or any conservative media for the past four years. And probably has no Republican friends.
 
This is a hypothetical argument.

BCBS, under the ACA, can also charge working class Americans, who have to buy their own insurance, $5000 per month, with a friendly $10,000 deductible for major surgeries. Which would bankrupt, and even kill, working class individuals who developed a serious condition while they were covered.

It's not a hypothetical. Under the ACA, those with pre-existing conditions are treated the same way employees with insurance at work are treated, which is they are not charged more for having pre-existing conditions. A cancer survivor pays the same rate as a person with NO health issues in his or her past, and there are no lifetime limits on care.

Under the GOP plan, BCBS can charge whatever it wanted to a cancer survivor, which is roughly what BCBS could do pre-ACA. Telling BCBS that it must not "deny" coverage but can charge whatever premium it wants to cover cancer survivors isn't protecting that woman with a history of breast cancer, at all. It's a hollow, worthless "guarantee."

And I suppose BCBS theoretically "can" charge people $5,000/month in premiums, just like your local restaurant "can" charge $900 for a cheeseburger. What's your point? BCBS don't charge that to individuals or families, and everyone insured on that plan in that age group pays the same premium. That's what real protections for those with pre-existing conditions looks like.

Finally, there isn't any question that the ACA expanded the number of "working class" Americans with health insurance. Sure, premiums are expensive if they're not subsidized. They were expensive pre-ACA and are afterwards because healthcare in the U.S. is expensive.

What's Trump's plan to bring those premiums down and make them affordable? Who pays the subsidies for these people who would be bankrupted or even killed (!!!) under the ACA but wouldn't be under the non-existent Trump plan? Healthcare is expensive. If the insureds don't pay the full premium, that means higher taxes, basically. Who will pay higher taxes under the Trump Plan to be Named Later?

The point is it is easy to throw rocks at what someone else did, but apparently impossible for the worthless GOP and Trump to come up with a better plan. It's easy to promise lower premiums, full coverage, protections for everyone with pre-existing conditions, but until we know who pays for all that, those promises are as worthless as my promise, which I hereby pledge, to deliver every family a LearJet.

All Obamacare does is shift the financial burden from the most financially needy to the working class whose insurance is not covered by an employer.

More importantly, Stephanopolous did not tell Trump he was risking higher rates for those with pre-existing conditions. He claimed that Trump wanted to “strike down” the pre-existing condition guarantee.

1) He's suing to repeal the ACA in its entirety.
2) He has offered NOTHING as a replacement.

So he's objectively acting to kill off those protections, and there is nothing you can cite to show us how or whether the Trump Plan to be Named Later will do as promised. If you want to believe the empty, worthless, broken promises and ignore what Trump is DOING, that's fine. The rest of us are not that gullible or stupid.
 
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