Trump Launches War On Iran

[LouC]

Congress doesnt want that power back though. They would rather the president have the power so they can shift the blame for everything to him.

Could be you are right. But those "powers" have been abused by multiple presidents, not just President Donald Trump. I don't ever see the current crop of 535 members of Congress to even remotely try to take back their Constitutional powers.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Islam will never stop seeking world domination. But the ceasefire still has a chance. Even if it makes you sad.

Yuck.

 

[Metric Mouse]

They haven’t been severely degraded

So then they won't be very mad.

 

[L88]

Could be you are right. But those "powers" have been abused by multiple presidents, not just President Donald Trump. I don't ever see the current crop of 535 members of Congress to even remotely try to take back their Constitutional powers.

This ^^^
and it's more than just for military action. The party in power in Congress wants its president to have the powers of a king. The problem is that Congress never sunsets or rescinds the powers. Example: Tariffs and Trade.

 

[Bucky]

Israel just wants time to reload their interceptor missiles.

And **** Israel.

Trump is showing tremendous restraint by not sending troops. Israel needs to get in line, or the United States should authorize a regime change in Israel.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

An overreaction. The war was over before liberals could write down all their talking points from the liberal news media.

Now, back to showing outrage from criminals being arrested.

Yes, we know, it's "Mission Accomplished" again. You people never learn anything from history.

 

[eohrnberger]

Anyone think the Stalinists here are smart enough to be embarrassed by their TACO idiocy? Probably not. One isn't a democrat because they have an IQ above room temperature.

There are a number of posters here which need to observe this.

 

[The Brad Dad]

And **** Israel.

Trump is showing tremendous restraint by not sending troops.

Yes, the guy who ran on not starting new wars is showing tremendous resolve in starting a new war and trying to keep himself from sending Americans to go die in the new war he promised would never happen. And as usual the online maga response is to salivate at the idea of sending troops into battle.

 

[eohrnberger]

Well no if we are to believe reporting trump chose to get in on the actuon after telling bibi not to, but becsuse that went so well he jumped in and bombed some places.

We didnt need to do, we maybe did this on the fly because trump thought it was an easy win.

This all lays at the feet of trump honestly

This appears to be an ideologically driven (Orange Man Bad!) 'reading' of events, without any real support for it.

That you cite some rando on BlueSky

Lol..you voted for a ****ing moron maga

only supports that assessment.

I'll just leave you to it.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Haha! That is funny!

It's a succinct and descriptive explanation of foreign policy, not just for the US but for all countries in general.

Countries don't have friends, they have interests.

 

[trixare4kids]

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[Cordelier]

Interesting. I was aware of Operation Vulture but not discussion of using three atom bombs to relieve the French surrounded at Dien Bien Phu.

But I read your Wikipedia reference a little differently. Eisenhower did not want American pilots to drop the bombs. Churchill wanted nothing to do with the intervention requested by Eisenhower. Basically, without Britain and Congressional consent Eisenhower would not sign off on Operation Vulture.

An article published in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, discusses both Operation Vulture planning and Dulles offer to Bidault. The Americans were gung ho. The French not so much.

According to Bidault, the American took him aside during an intermission and asked him whether atomic bombs could be effective at Dien Bien Phu. If so, Dulles allegedly went on, his government could provide two such bombs to France. Bidault said he turned down the suggestion flat, on the grounds that the bombs would destroy the garrison as well as the Viet Minh, while dropping them farther away, on supply lines, would risk war with China. When informed a few months later of Bidault’s claim, Dulles said he could not recall making such an offer and insisted there must have been a misunderstanding.

Bidault’s version is supported by senior French official Jean Chauvel in his memoirs, and by French general Paul Ely in his diary, which was kept on a daily basis. Ely, a key player on Indochina strategy in these months, wrote that he was of two minds about “the offer of two atom bombs. The psychological impact would be tremendous, but the [military] effectiveness would was uncertain, and it carries the risk of generalized warfare.” -- “We might give them a few.” Did the US offer to drop atom bombs at Dien Bien Phu? Fredrik Logevall, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, February 21, 2016

What's the truth? As with most controversies probably somewhere between. Good article. Read it if you have the chance.

Good article. I think a lot of the ambiguity around Operation Vulture also stems from the nature of French Fourth Republic politics and the constant reshuffling of governing coalitions. When you read a lot of the histories, pretty much every French politician at the time was playing two games - an outside one as either a member of the Government or the opposition and an inside factional one in either camp. Bidault especially was famous for taking every fork in the road. And while all of that was going on in Paris, the military was doing it's own thing overseas. Hell, they didn't even inform the civilian leadership about the whole Dien Binh Phu operation until 6 hours after they started it! Which was probably fine with the Government, since they didn't have to makes a decision on it either way.

 

[Cordelier]

Nations can only withdraw from the NPT for specific reasons, like if everyone else in the world started developing nuclear weapons. Or if a nuclear weapon power started using their nukes to conquer nonnuclear states.

"I'm a rogue nation and I want illegal weapons" is not a valid reason for withdrawing. That is why North Korea has harsh sanctions placed on them by the entire world for violating the NPT despite their claims to have withdrawn from the treaty.

Article X §1 of NPT:

"Each Party shall in exercising its national sovereignty have the right to withdraw from the Treaty if it decides that extraordinary events, related to the subject matter of this Treaty, have jeopardized the supreme interests of its country. It shall give notice of such withdrawal to all other parties to the Treaty and to the United Nations Security Council three months in advance. Such notice shall include a statement of the extraordinary events it regards as having jeopardized its supreme interests."

I'd say we've pretty much served them up such an "extraordinary event", wouldn't you?

 

[Fletch]

They haven’t been severely degraded

How do you know this and what standard are you using to determine this? Other than Trump-hate, of course.

 

[ClaraD]

How do you know this and what standard are you using to determine this? Other than Trump-hate, of course.

Dude Trump bombed concrete and dirt

 

[Chomsky]

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And MAGA is willing and anxious to accept anything the king says. Works better for them when TACO cant be nailed down on specifics...the blinders stay up, their rationalizations less stupid-sounding.

That's the problem we're having.

Trump speaks vaguely, and often metaphorically. His supporters interpret his message to fit their personal biases, and then they run into problems when they come here and spout-off what they may actually believe - which might be erroneous as was the case here.

That they have their own media bubble, and Trump attacks factual media with insistent lies (like CNN this morning), only adds to the problem. I've been having MAGA debate opponents claiming they will not accept CNN as a cited source, meaning Trump is accomplishing his task in crafting an alternative media-sphere.

 

[ClaraD]

Time to ignore you. I think it's called walrusing or sealioning. You got nothing. Biden did the same thing as Trump many times over. Yemen and Syria were ongoing. Sad Americans don't know this.

No, that’s exactly what I said. You’re making shit up snd got caught

 

[Chomsky]

No, its far more than just an 'exclamation mark', it was required to take out those nuclear weapons sites.

Its rather odd that here you are objecting to putting Iran's nuclear and ICBM programs further back

with the US bombing, arguing for leaving them intact or nearly so.


Yes, DBA (Bomb Damage Assessment) is going to take some time, as its going to have to come from human int or signal int.


OK, fine. But its still more damaged than had the US NOT dropped their ordinance.

I have no objection to the bolded. I don't want us to do it.

 

[L88]

No, that’s exactly what I said. You’re making shit up snd got caught

Do be a child.
I didn't make anything up.
You're very disappointed that yet again, you were wrong on your assumptions.

Explainer: Did Biden break the law by ordering Yemen airstrikes?

Some members of the U.S. Congress have charged that President Joe Biden violated the Constitution by authorizing overnight strikes on Yemen.

www.reuters.com

 

[ClaraD]

Do be a child.
I didn't make anything up.
You're very disappointed that yet again, you were wrong on your assumptions.

Explainer: Did Biden break the law by ordering Yemen airstrikes?

Some members of the U.S. Congress have charged that President Joe Biden violated the Constitution by authorizing overnight strikes on Yemen.

www.reuters.com

Do you read? The airstrike wasn’t at a country but directly aimed at Houthi terrorists that had launched attacks. It wasn’t offensive it was defensive

in retaliation against Houthi forces, who had carried out months of attacks on Red Sea shipping that the Iran-backed fighters cast as a response to the war in Gaza.

 

[L88]

House Progressives Challenge Biden's 'Unauthorized' Mideast Militarism | Common Dreams

"Absent an imminent or actual sudden attack on the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces, the executive branch may not introduce U.S. armed forces into hostilities without Congress' prior approval."

www.commondreams.org

 

[eohrnberger]

I have no objection to the bolded. I don't want us to do it.

Seems rather wishy washy to me, especially considering that it is only the US which has the ordinance to drive down to the deeply buried nuclear facilities.

 

[Contumacious]

Trump took out a serious nuclear threat to the world. I can live with that.

PURE UNADULTERATED BULLCRAP

In 2015 the US convinced the IAEA to use Palantir's Mossaic Software - unbeknownst to the IAEA the software was/is controlled by the CIA/Mossad.

The software was sold to the IAEA because it could "map out data points thereby signal when Iran was close to developing a nuclear weapon".

Iranian IT/AI Expert Mohsen Fakhrizadeh caught on to the scam but the Mossad immediately assassinated him:

How Israel deployed an intelligence deception to justify killing scientist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh - The Grayzone

Israel's Mossad has spent years on a propaganda campaign aimed at convincing the world Iran possessed a nuclear weapons program – and legitimizing its assassinations of Iranian academics. The Israeli assassination of Iranian defense official Mohsen Fakhrizadeh is being treated as a triumph of...

thegrayzone.com

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Trump took out a serious nuclear threat to the world. I can live with that.

YAY! IRAN'S NUCLEAR THREAT HAS BEEN ELIMINATED!!! ​

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WE CAN STOP NOW! ​

 

[L88]

Do you read? The airstrike wasn’t at a country but directly aimed at Houthi terrorists that had launched attacks. It wasn’t offensive it was defensive

in retaliation against Houthi forces, who had carried out months of attacks on Red Sea shipping that the Iran-backed fighters cast as a response to the war in Gaza.

The Trump attack was much more selective.. Don't you read. It was highly targeted to a few locations that were refining nuclear weapons to use on its enemies.

But you don't want to believe that. So discussion with you does not exist.

Trumps attack damaged the head of the snake that Biden was fighting.