Trump has scoreboard obsession. It hasn’t worked with coronavirus

[Conservative]

Um..because you proved yourself a liar numerous times. Dur.

You just really can't cope can you? I'm starting to think that there is medical condition involved where you actually think that nobody else can read the posts.

You have posted no such lies but apparently anything said that you don't agree with is a lie, that is an immaturity problem and denial of reality. actual data isn't lies and you have posted NONE

 

[MSgt]

Here is denial on your part, totally ignoring actual results and diversion from your own failures

Still denying. Your "results" have been proven to be manufactured by altering data, which means that it is you who ignores actual results. Where's the personal responsibility?

 

[MSgt]

You have posted no such lies but apparently anything said that you don't agree with is a lie, that is an immaturity problem and denial of reality. actual data isn't lies and you have posted NONE

Proof of your routine data manipulation and lies:

Proof of lies, deception, and data altering.

P.S.: My integrity is thus that I was the one that was willing to defend you, until they showed me what you had done to them...and to me. But...you believe in "personal responsibility?" Your deceptions are disrespectful and your lack of integrity is the result of devoting so much energy to clinging to an irrational hate for Obama and an irrational worship for Trump, a man who demands that you be absent of integrity in order to serve him. And you wonder why men like Mattis and Kelly could no longer stomach his presence anymore. Or do you even wonder?

 

[Conservative]

Still denying. Your "results" have been proven to be manufactured by altering data, which means that it is you who ignores actual results. Where's the personal responsibility?

I don't deny anything but don't see the relevance of your concern? What did you want the President to do? Actual results remain to be seen, results up to this point, prior to the coronavirus that you ignored. What is going to change? Do you know that your state and local government has the authority to manage businesses in your state? what are they doing and why should this be left to a powerless President to solve as it would take a national emergency declaration to give him marshall law authority.

 

[Conservative]

Proof of your routine data manipulation and lies:

Proof of lies, deception, and data altering.

P.S.: My integrity is thus that I was the one that was willing to defend you, until they showed me what you had done to them...and to me. But...you believe in "personal responsibility?" Your deceptions are disrespectful and your lack of integrity is the result of devoting so much energy to clinging to an irrational hate for Obama and an irrational worship for Trump, a man who demands that you be absent of integrity in order to serve him. And you wonder why men like Mattis and Kelly could no longer stomach his presence anymore. Or do you even wonder?

My personal responsibility argument began when I was old enough to be taught that from my parents. You called me a liar and have proven no such thing. Show me where I have ever posted hatred for Obama other than hatred of his policies which led to the results that I have posted? You confuse policy hatred with personal hatred. Obama appears to be a good father and husband but was a failure as a President and leader as he like you don't understand the private sector economy. His incompetence was on full display when he bailed out the unions and public sector teacher jobs, none under his authority and the results show how effective those bailouts were. We need jobs, we need new jobs and new taxpayers, he never created much other than part time jobs for economic reasons, 5.7 million of them were in place when he left office vs. 4.8 million when the recession ended and 4.3 million today.

 

[MSgt]

I don't deny anything but don't see the relevance of your concern?

Oh, after we would not allow you off the hook, you finally admitted it. But true to form, you imagine a world where you can go on to other threads and keep playing your game, while we allow you to pretend. You spent this entire conversation denying it all over again and even lying about being shown the proof of it, over, and over, and over again.

And it is of concern because as long as you refuse your "personality responsibility," nothing you post can be trusted. A conversation between two grown adults should involve a measure of trust, in that the other shouldn't have to feel compelled to look up every single piece of data that you present just to validate it's authenticity.

But that's how integrity works. You have demonstrated to have none.

 

[MSgt]

My personal responsibility argument began when I was old enough to be taught that from my parents.

Yet, you deny your personal responsibility for being a proven liar and data manipulator. You have schemed up deceitful arguments about how the Great Recession, the worst global economic disaster since 1929, was exaggerated just to denigrate Obama. You have shifted from your 3.0% argument as a defining percentage for failure under Obama to ignoring the absence of a 3.0% under Trump. You have sought to replace GDP, when proven wrong, with an argument of cryptocurrency and currency exchange as if anybody was ever going to buy that. And what the hell are you trying to pull these days? A person of integrity and personal responsibility would not have to go to such lengths to defend a man who deserves none. And since this is what you have to do, he clearly must need it. Just the fact that you have lie and manipulate official data proves that even you know he is not what you wish him to be. So why do it?

And getting to thread relevancy, you have gone from enthusiastically supporting Trump when he was complacent and denigrating the media and Democrats, to supporting Trump for his capitulation to the media and the Democrats, even issuing Pelosi's social program. No integrity or personal responsibility. But you will damn sure support the government's socialistic game to bail out corporations and offer tax subsidies, huh? Personal responsibility? Don't feel like you are alone. Most of you conservatives have lost the plot and allowed yourselves to be victims Big Business/GOP/FOX News manipulation. Again, you need obvious lies and deceit to protect a false narrative for yourselves. Why do it?

So, ask your parents when you went astray. My guess is that it was when Trump made you feel good about your radical right-wing propaganda, that easily manipulated you into your irrational hatreds for Obama and "the left." You are blind and are unable to see how decrepit your tactics are.

 

[Conservative]

Oh, after we would not allow you off the hook, you finally admitted it. But true to form, you imagine a world where you can go on to other threads and keep playing your game, while we allow you to pretend. You spent this entire conversation denying it all over again and even lying about being shown the proof of it, over, and over, and over again.

And it is of concern because as long as you refuse your "personality responsibility," nothing you post can be trusted. A conversation between two grown adults should involve a measure of trust, in that the other shouldn't have to feel compelled to look up every single piece of data that you present just to validate it's authenticity.

But that's how integrity works. You have demonstrated to have none.

I couldn't care less about scoreboard obsession but rather results, something you don't understand nor do you understand state and local responsibility. This is a fault that you have not me. Why would I care what Trump says or what any politician says? You don't understand even basic civics

 

[Conservative]

Yet, you deny your personal responsibility for being a proven liar and data manipulator. You have schemed up deceitful arguments about how the Great Recession, the worst global economic disaster since 1929, was exaggerated just to denigrate Obama. You have shifted from your absence of a 3.0% argument under Obama to ignoring it in the absence of a 3.0% under Trump. You have sought to replace GDP, when proven wrong, with an argument of cryptocurrency and currency exchange. And what the hell are trying to pull these days? A person of integrity and personal responsibility would not have to go to such lengths to defend a man who deserves none.

And getting to thread relevancy, you have gone from enthusiastically supporting Trump when he was complacent and denigrating the media and Democrats, to supporting Trump for his capitulation to the media and the Democrats, even issuing Pelosi's social program. No integrity or personal responsibility. But you will damn sure support the government's socialistic game to bail out corporations and offer tax subsidies, huh? Personal responsibility? Don't feel like yiou are alone. Most of you conservatives have lost the plot and allowed yourselves to be victims Big Business/GOP/FOX News manipulation.

So, ask your parents when you went astray. My guess is that it was when Trump made you feel good about your radical right-wing propaganda, that easily manipulated you into your irrational hatreds for Obama and "the left." You are blind and are unable to see how decrepit your tactics are.

LOL, again with the name calling and no substance. Post what data I lied about?? Absolutely stunning how you are incapable of handling your own problems thus have to blame the President for them. The 3% argument under Obama?? Can you explain to us why we had the worst recovery in American history from the "worst recession in American history" 3% figure has become irrelevant as the dollar amount continues to grow. I gave you the dollar amount and have lied about nothing. Stated my opinion and backed it up with data, data that you want to ignore. Do you also want to ignore the components of GDP?? Can you tell me where gov't spending on the stimulus was reflected?

DP and Dollar change
2008 14712.8
2009 14448.9
2010 14992.1
GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2011 15,542.6 +804.4
2012 16197.0 +562.4
2013 16784.9 +587.9
2014 17527.3 +652.4
2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

 

[MSgt]

I couldn't care less about scoreboard obsession but rather results, something you don't understand nor do you understand state and local responsibility. This is a fault that you have not me. Why would I care what Trump says or what any politician says? You don't understand even basic civics

No, you absolutely do not. Given that you have to manipulate data and lie, you do not care about the actual results. You only care about a desired result, in which data manipulation provides for you. And you do this so that you can cling to as much irrational and seething hatred for Obama as possible, while obnoxiously glorifying Trump as a validation of that irrationality.

And there you go. Right into your default "civic" nonsense.

 

[MSgt]

LOL, again with the name calling and no substance. Post what data I lied about?? Absolutely stunning how you are incapable of handling your own problems thus have to blame the President for them. The 3% argument under Obama?? Can you explain to us why we had the worst recovery in American history from the "worst recession in American history" 3% figure has become irrelevant as the dollar amount continues to grow. I gave you the dollar amount and have lied about nothing. Stated my opinion and backed it up with data, data that you want to ignore. Do you also want to ignore the components of GDP?? Can you tell me where gov't spending on the stimulus was reflected?

DP and Dollar change
2008 14712.8
2009 14448.9
2010 14992.1
GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2011 15,542.6 +804.4
2012 16197.0 +562.4
2013 16784.9 +587.9
2014 17527.3 +652.4
2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

Oh, and shall I just trust your data? This is the stuff you were caught manipulating. Trump made billions for billionaires. So? Save it.

Facts from the balance that reports the annual U.S. GDP going back to 1929:

2008 - -0.1%
2009 - -2.5%
2010 - 2.6%
2011 - 1.6%
2012 - 2.2%
2013 - 1.8%
2014 - 2.5%
2015 - 2.9%
2016 - 1.6%
2017 - 2.4%
2018 - 2.9%
2019 - 2.3%

Facts from the World Bank:

2008 - -0.1%
2009 - -2.5%
2010 - 2.6%
2011 - 1.6%
2012 - 2.2%
2013 - 1.8%
2014 - 2.5%
2015 - 2.9%
2016 - 1.6%
2017 - 2.3%
2018 - 2.9%

Facts from the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, showing the U.S. Real GDP Growth Rate:

2008 - -2.75%
2009 - 0.18%
2010 - 2.57%
2011 - 1.61%
2012 - 1.47%
2013 - 2.61%
2014 - 2.88%
2015 - 1.90%
2016 - 2.03%
2017 - 2.80%
2018 - 2.52%
2019 - 2.29%


I see no 3.0%. I see no great Trump economy that doesn't look like Obama's. I see only a single year's Tax-Cut and Jobs Act/anti-Obama environmental protections cash-grab for the wealthy in 2018, before settling back into trend with only a 2.3%.

 

[Conservative]

No, you absolutely do not. Given that you have to manipulate data and lie, you do not care about the actual results. You only care about a desired result, in which data manipulation provides for you. And you do this so that you can cling to as much irrational and seething hatred for Obama as possible, while obnoxiously glorifying Trump as a validation of that irrationality.

And there you go. Right into your default "civic" nonsense.

Stop the bull****, what data have I manipulated?????? Tell me exactly what data here is manipulated?

DP and Dollar change
2008 14712.8
2009 14448.9
2010 14992.1
GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2011 15,542.6 +804.4
2012 16197.0 +562.4
2013 16784.9 +587.9
2014 17527.3 +652.4
2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% today? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 6.0% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump

 

[Conservative]

Oh, and shall I just trust your data? This is the stuff you were caught manipulating. Trump made billions for billionaires. So? Save it.

Facts from the balance that reports the annual U.S. GDP going back to 1929:

2008 - -0.1%
2009 - -2.5%
2010 - 2.6%
2011 - 1.6%
2012 - 2.2%
2013 - 1.8%
2014 - 2.5%
2015 - 2.9%
2016 - 1.6%
2017 - 2.4%
2018 - 2.9%
2019 - 2.3%

Facts from the World Bank:

2008 - -0.1%
2009 - -2.5%
2010 - 2.6%
2011 - 1.6%
2012 - 2.2%
2013 - 1.8%
2014 - 2.5%
2015 - 2.9%
2016 - 1.6%
2017 - 2.3%
2018 - 2.9%

Facts from the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, showing the U.S. Real GDP Growth Rate:

2008 - -2.75%
2009 - 0.18%
2010 - 2.57%
2011 - 1.61%
2012 - 1.47%
2013 - 2.61%
2014 - 2.88%
2015 - 1.90%
2016 - 2.03%
2017 - 2.80%
2018 - 2.52%
2019 - 2.29%


I see no 3.0%. I see no great Trump economy that doesn't look like Obama's. I see only a single year's Tax-Cut and Jobs Act/anti-Obama environmental protections cash-grab for the wealthy in 2018, before settling back into trend with only a 2.3%.

So where is the lie?

 

[Conservative]

Oh, and shall I just trust your data? This is the stuff you were caught manipulating. Trump made billions for billionaires. So? Save it.

Facts from the balance that reports the annual U.S. GDP going back to 1929:

2008 - -0.1%
2009 - -2.5%
2010 - 2.6%
2011 - 1.6%
2012 - 2.2%
2013 - 1.8%
2014 - 2.5%
2015 - 2.9%
2016 - 1.6%
2017 - 2.4%
2018 - 2.9%
2019 - 2.3%

Facts from the World Bank:

2008 - -0.1%
2009 - -2.5%
2010 - 2.6%
2011 - 1.6%
2012 - 2.2%
2013 - 1.8%
2014 - 2.5%
2015 - 2.9%
2016 - 1.6%
2017 - 2.3%
2018 - 2.9%

Facts from the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, showing the U.S. Real GDP Growth Rate:

2008 - -2.75%
2009 - 0.18%
2010 - 2.57%
2011 - 1.61%
2012 - 1.47%
2013 - 2.61%
2014 - 2.88%
2015 - 1.90%
2016 - 2.03%
2017 - 2.80%
2018 - 2.52%
2019 - 2.29%


I see no 3.0%. I see no great Trump economy that doesn't look like Obama's. I see only a single year's Tax-Cut and Jobs Act/anti-Obama environmental protections cash-grab for the wealthy in 2018, before settling back into trend with only a 2.3%.

You seem to have a real problem understanding data and context. Obviously you don't realize that the 842 billion dollar stimulus was part of the GDP dollar growth under Obama, further you now want to ignore what the left called the "worst recession since the Great Depression" and how poor the recovery was. You called me a liar when I never lied but apparently posting official data now is a lie to you. What data have I manipulated??

Can you explain how the worst recession in the history of this country since the Great Depression generated such poor GDP dollar growth especially in the number one component of GDP, consumer spending and consumption???? You obviously don't know the components of GDP and buy what the left tells you. Looks to me like a patsy for the left calling yourself an independent.

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

2008 14712.8
2009 14448.9
2010 14992.1
GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2011 15,542.6 +804.4
2012 16197.0 +562.4
2013 16784.9 +587.9
2014 17527.3 +652.4
2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9


Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% today? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 6.0% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump

 

[JustHanging]

Congress knows that the answer to all questions, issues and problems is to borrow and spend more at the federal government level.

Nice Red Herring intended to deflect and distract. You do a great job of defending Trump's worst actions, while always giving yourself an avenue of plausible deniability. Respect.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Nice Red Herring intended to deflect and distract. You do a great job of defending Trump's worst actions, while always giving yourself an avenue of plausible deniability. Respect.

The idea that there are many, many millions of "non-essential" private sector jobs yet, so far, no "non-essential" public sector jobs which demand that those workers be told to stay home without pay is quite amazing.

 

[Conservative]

Oh, and shall I just trust your data? This is the stuff you were caught manipulating. Trump made billions for billionaires. So? Save it.

Facts from the balance that reports the annual U.S. GDP going back to 1929:

2008 - -0.1%
2009 - -2.5%
2010 - 2.6%
2011 - 1.6%
2012 - 2.2%
2013 - 1.8%
2014 - 2.5%
2015 - 2.9%
2016 - 1.6%
2017 - 2.4%
2018 - 2.9%
2019 - 2.3%

Facts from the World Bank:

2008 - -0.1%
2009 - -2.5%
2010 - 2.6%
2011 - 1.6%
2012 - 2.2%
2013 - 1.8%
2014 - 2.5%
2015 - 2.9%
2016 - 1.6%
2017 - 2.3%
2018 - 2.9%

Facts from the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, showing the U.S. Real GDP Growth Rate:

2008 - -2.75%
2009 - 0.18%
2010 - 2.57%
2011 - 1.61%
2012 - 1.47%
2013 - 2.61%
2014 - 2.88%
2015 - 1.90%
2016 - 2.03%
2017 - 2.80%
2018 - 2.52%
2019 - 2.29%


I see no 3.0%. I see no great Trump economy that doesn't look like Obama's. I see only a single year's Tax-Cut and Jobs Act/anti-Obama environmental protections cash-grab for the wealthy in 2018, before settling back into trend with only a 2.3%.

The great Obama economy and GDP numbers as you claim were boosted by the 842 billion dollar stimulus program, additional gov't spending that is a component of GDP. Trump's GDP Growth is due to consumer spending which has already exceeded the 8 years of Obama consumer spending growth. Components of GDP are a foreign concept to you but it is those components that create the context that you want to ignore.

Are you mature enough to admit when wrong?

Obama 4.3 trillion dollar GDP growth in 8 years and that includes the 842 billion Obama stimulus program signed in February 2009. Trump's GDP is approaching 3 trillion dollars and his first term isn't over.

 

[Tbird19482]

Stop the bull****, what data have I manipulated?????? Tell me exactly what data here is manipulated?

DP and Dollar change
2008 14712.8
2009 14448.9
2010 14992.1
GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2011 15,542.6 +804.4
2012 16197.0 +562.4
2013 16784.9 +587.9
2014 17527.3 +652.4
2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% today? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 6.0% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump

again you keep boosting about the unemployment rate going down soooo much under Trump ( 1.1% ) and trying to imply it didn't go down so much under Obama
well it hit a high of over 10% in Oct 2009 ( again remember employment always lags behind in a recession , we may have been getting it turned around in the summer of 2009 but as I said employment lags ) and when Trump took over it was 4.7% a drop of OVER 5%
so from what I see you think a drop of 1.1% is a lot better then a drop of over 5%
Have a nice day

 

[MSgt]

So where is the lie?

Every time you pretend, I will post the proof for all to see. Celebrating your complete personal lack of integrity like this does not create an alternate reality for anybody but yourself.

Post #119 - Clear proof that "Conservative" is a data manipulator and liar:.

Post #736 - You were caught by Kushinator:

You are nothing if not a liar.

Post #746 - You were reported to me by Kushinator:

You continue to lie.

Post #748 - I discovered you lied with even more altered numbers to Metric Mouse too:

WHAT?! He gave this to "Metric Mouse:"

And then he gave this to me:

Unbelievable. Until now I would have defended him against the accusation that he merely fudges numbers, because his routine is to avoid what the facts actually show while selectively producing numbers that helps him to false conclusions. But he literally altered the established data, which looks like a cut/paste job, for the years 2014, 2016, 2017, and 2018. I didn't think that people actually did this. I am actually disappointed here.

Post #786 - And throughout this you suddenly decided that GDP doesn't matter, only cryptocurrency. You argued that the Great Recession was mostly a lie to cover for Obama. This is what you tried to divert our attentions with. I summarized:

Oh, no, no, no...

You have been caught altering data to support your obnoxious partisanship. You were caught by two others; and when they showed me, I discovered that you lied to me too. I was willing to defend you, as if the cut/paste job merely showed some change over time, but then I saw the numbers. The changes were drastic, and from prior established years.

Nobody gets to alter data and then declare that the results are "actual." Since your "actual" results are designed after altering the data, you present false results, false conclusions, and plain lies. The irony is that you wouldn't feel compelled to do this had you based your arguments in a proper place that would give Trump credit where credit is due and criticize Trump where criticism is earned. But your partisanship does not permit such integrity.

- For example, you actually declared GDP as not being important next to cryptocurrency and currency exchange.

- Another example, you argue that the Global Recession was exaggerated in order to brand Obama as malicious as possible in "his" fixes.

- Another example, you went from using Trump's 3.0% argument against Obama to abandoning it in the absence of a 3.0% in recent Trump years.

Post #786 - And after enough embarrassment from all of us, you posted this:

You are so right, I have been caught distorting data that comes from Treasury, bureau of labor statistics, and bureau of economic analysis.

Again, you are the perfect example of Trump's cult personality. You have trained yourself to deny facts and truths. You have invested interests in "alternate" facts and when you discover that what your radical right-wing sources is skewed, you alter data to fit what you would rather believe. Then you present it to us as if we don't use the same official sites. Of course, then you go on to play an obtuse game by asking for "proof" that you lied, despite continuously being shown the proof. The Trump cult personality includes being wring and doubling down just t preserve a delusion.

 

[Conservative]

again you keep boosting about the unemployment rate going down soooo much under Trump ( 1.1% ) and trying to imply it didn't go down so much under Obama
well it hit a high of over 10% in Oct 2009 ( again remember employment always lags behind in a recession , we may have been getting it turned around in the summer of 2009 but as I said employment lags ) and when Trump took over it was 4.7% a drop of OVER 5%
so from what I see you think a drop of 1.1% is a lot better then a drop of over 5%
Have a nice day

Only continued to show your ignorance of context, lowering the unemployment rate by creating part time jobs and discouraged workers didn't benefit the American people and that is why he lost the House in 10-12-14-16 and the Congress in 14-16. You like far too many Obama and liberal cultists will never understand context nor human behavior including your own

 

[RetiredUSN]

"As the coronavirus raced around the globe and seized the world’s economy, he has cited numbers to suit his own story that the pandemic would quickly pass and that his administration was in control."

"It’s a playbook that hasn’t always worked."

Trump has scoreboard obsession. It hasn’t worked with coronavirus

Oh, it's working all-right. Maybe not technically, because it's lying. But a lot of people still have faith in Trump, even though he lies about the greatest public health threat of our lifetime.

He's questened about it every 3 seconds at the briefings by the media for cris sakes

What have you and all these other cry babies done to help.............. other than come on here and whine your asses off?

 

[Conservative]

Every time you pretend, I will post the proof for all to see. Celebrating your complete personal lack of integrity like this does not create an alternate reality for anybody but yourself.

Post #119 - Clear proof that "Conservative" is a data manipulator and liar:.

Post #736 - You were caught by Kushinator:


Post #746 - You were reported to me by Kushinator:


Post #748 - I discovered you lied with even more altered numbers to Metric Mouse too:



Post #786 - And throughout this you suddenly decided that GDP doesn't matter, only cryptocurrency. You argued that the Great Recession was mostly a lie to cover for Obama. This is what you tried to divert our attentions with. I summarized:




Post #786 - And after enough embarrassment from all of us, you posted this:




Again, you are the perfect example of Trump's cult personality. You have trained yourself to deny facts and truths. You have invested interests in "alternate" facts and when you discover that what your radical right-wing sources is skewed, you alter data to fit what you would rather believe. Then you present it to us as if we don't use the same official sites. Of course, then you go on to play an obtuse game by asking for "proof" that you lied, despite continuously being shown the proof. The Trump cult personality includes being wring and doubling down just t preserve a delusion.

In order to be a liar you have to be proven as a liar and your claims are as hollow as your education. Now either stop the name calling and post facts to support your claims or I will be forced to report the personal attacks? you have proved nothing, what in the following is a lie??

DP and Dollar change
2008 14712.8
2009 14448.9
2010 14992.1
GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2011 15,542.6 +804.4
2012 16197.0 +562.4
2013 16784.9 +587.9
2014 17527.3 +652.4
2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% today? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 6.0% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump

 

[Tbird19482]

Only continued to show your ignorance of context, lowering the unemployment rate by creating part time jobs and discouraged workers didn't benefit the American people and that is why he lost the House in 10-12-14-16 and the Congress in 14-16. You like far too many Obama and liberal cultists will never understand context nor human behavior including your own

So what you are saying is there were no part time jobs included in the Trump numbers?
Obama had nothing to do with the start of the recession and Trump may have had something to do with the delay of stopping this mess
My point to you is YOU never say a word about the unemployment rate going down almost 5 times as much ( percentage wise ) under Obama as ithas under Trump
all you do is keeptelling us how good Trump has done with his 1.1% drop in the unemployment rate and not saying a word about the over 5% drop under Obama.
Just wondering what the unemployment rate will be in the next couple of weeks
Have a nice day

 

[Conservative]

So what you are saying is there were no part time jobs included in the Trump numbers?
Obama had nothing to do with the start of the recession and Trump may have had something to do with the delay of stopping this mess
My point to you is YOU never say a word about the unemployment rate going down almost 5 times as much ( percentage wise ) under Obama as ithas under Trump
all you do is keeptelling us how good Trump has done with his 1.1% drop in the unemployment rate and not saying a word about the over 5% drop under Obama.
Just wondering what the unemployment rate will be in the next couple of weeks
Have a nice day

LOL, 4.3 million Americans are working part time for economic reasons today vs. 5.7 million when Trump took office. Is 5.7 million more or less than 4.3 million?

Unemployment rate, the U-3 is IRRELEVANT as it is skewed by the under employed and discouraged workers. The U-6 rate is what matters and when Obama left office it was still higher than it was when the recession began, 9.3% vs. 9.2%. It is 6.9% today. Keep trying to prop up the failures of Obama and showing cult like attitude. Also keep promoting gloom and doom so that we can return to that Obama malaise

 

[Conservative]

Again, you are the perfect example of Trump's cult personality. You have trained yourself to deny facts and truths. You have invested interests in "alternate" facts and when you discover that what your radical right-wing sources is skewed, you alter data to fit what you would rather believe. Then you present it to us as if we don't use the same official sites. Of course, then you go on to play an obtuse game by asking for "proof" that you lied, despite continuously being shown the proof. The Trump cult personality includes being wring and doubling down just t preserve a delusion.

Do you understand what context means? Do you know the components of GDP? Do you know what a part time for economic reason employee is? DO you know what a discouraged worker is? Do you understand what bls.gov, bea.gov, and treasury.org report? How is it cult following to report official data and put that data in context? To a liberal that is distorting data because you don't like context.

You don't like the fact that part time for economic reason employees and discouraged workers are removed from the U-3 or official unemployment rate because it gives favorable data for the real cult followers, big gov't anti private sector cultists.

You don't like the fact that the U-6 rate is a better gauge for economic performance and shows the true results of any Administration, 9.3% when Obama left office and 6.9% today, 9.2% when the recession began

You don't like the fact that I point out that GDP growth during the Obama term was skewed by the massive stimulus program he signed and implemented and the fact that of the 4.3 trillion GDP growth in 8 years was assisted by the 842 billion dollar stimulus spending. you also want to ignore that that stimulus package is what made the Obama GDP growth look better than it was and the Trump GDP Growth is due to consumer spending/consumption which is now equal in 3 years to what Obama generated in 8.

Now do what you always do ignore context, run when challenged, and resort back to name calling