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This is an election year, and Trump has already blew his load stimulating an already growing economy. Now we have to deal with this reality. It's over conman. Pack your ****... because you and your fellow Trump bots bought a one way ticket to political irrelevance. :2wave:

Growing economy?? LOL, now the economy is growing, gee, wonder why notice the decline in GDP dollar growth in 2016 and the boom in 2017-2018-2019 all higher than anything Obama created.

You are just another blue state liberal dependent on gov't for your own personal responsibility and like most liberals promote class envy, jealousy, politics of personal destruction all because of an educational system failure in your own area

DP and Dollar change
2008 14712.8
2009 14448.9
2010 14992.1
GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2011 15,542.6 +804.4
2012 16197.0 +562.4
2013 16784.9 +587.9
2014 17527.3 +652.4
2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9
 

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Post for me where I ever personally attacked Obama? Results matter but not to you, there is nothing independent in anything you post as everything is liberal, whining, complaining, promoting class envy, jealousy, politics of personal destruction. Results matter as does basic civics. Bet you are in a blue state that is a fiscal and social disaster which is prevalent in all Blue states

I blame Obama for economic policies that led to the worst recovery in American history from a major recession and left us with record debt, higher U-6, and more part time employees than the numbers when the recession began thus never getting us back to pre recession levels. I credit Trump for the following results all of which you ignore. Why does everything in your world have to be personal and based upon feelings never results?

DP and Dollar change
2008 14712.8
2009 14448.9
2010 14992.1
GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2011 15,542.6 +804.4
2012 16197.0 +562.4
2013 16784.9 +587.9
2014 17527.3 +652.4
2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% today? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 6.0% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump
OMG you have been attacking Obama for years now ( read your own post )
Every time we turn around you are saying Obama did this or that , Obama didn't do anything, Obama has the worst recovery ever, Obama had some of the highest Unemployment numbers ever
YOU never say a word about how the Stock market bottomed out in April of 2009 in the 6000's and when he left office it was in the 19,000's an increase of about 13000 points ( and when it went up 6, 7000 points or so under Trump you kept saying how good Trumps economy was doing, )
Have you ever given Obama credit for the unemployment rate going down from over 10% to 4.6%, no but you kept telling us how well Trump was doing when it went down about 1,1 1/2 %
Again if it is something that was good that happened Obama had nothing to do with it and if it was bad he had everything to do with it and under Trump if it is something good that happens it was ALL Trumps doing and if it was bad He had nothing to do with it
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Trump is toast in November. It is going to be rather amusing watching the GOP attempt to distance themselves as the election approaches. But by then, it won't matter. The damage is already done, and **** will continue to get worse before it gets better.

Noticed more baseless predictions with no alternative, stick to the public sector where you can place blame vs. seeing your own personal failures creating dependence

you asked for the economic poll numbers and I gave them to you. Now you take pride in fear driving the markets down in hopes of getting rid of a President how has created the economic numbers we have today. Keep focusing on returning to the Obama malaise that cost him the House in 10-12-14-16 and the Senate in 14-16 as the American people obviously didn't see the successes you claim existed
 

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OMG you have been attacking Obama for years now ( read your own post )
Every time we turn around you are saying Obama did this or that , Obama didn't do anything, Obama has the worst recovery ever, Obama had some of the highest Unemployment numbers ever
YOU never say a word about how the Stock market bottomed out in April of 2009 in the 6000's and when he left office it was in the 19,000's an increase of about 13000 points ( and when it went up 6, 7000 points or so under Trump you kept saying how good Trumps economy was doing, )
Have you ever given Obama credit for the unemployment rate going down from over 10% to 4.6%, no but you kept telling us how well Trump was doing when it went down about 1,1 1/2 %
Again if it is something that was good that happened Obama had nothing to do with it and if it was bad he had everything to do with it and under Trump if it is something good that happens it was ALL Trumps doing and if it was bad He had nothing to do with it
have a nice day

I have been attacking results not Obama personally, you don't seem to grasp the difference. It was Obama's economic policies that led to the worst recovery in American history, the loss of the House in 10-12-14-16 and the Congress in 14-16. Why didn't the people see those great Obama results that you seem to have seen?
 

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Nominal GDP is irrelevant except in the mind of a book smart street stupid liberal.

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You are too ignorant to understand you've cited nominal GDP in this very thread.

The current economy is being hurt by fear of the unknown, not conservative economic policies.

This is Trump's economy. He failed to react with the appropriate urgency, and now it's spiraled out of control.

You have a vested interest in getting rid of Trump that is self serving as I see someone incapable of competing in the private sector

Come November, Joe Biden will be elected POTUS. Every time i see Obama come to the WH for state functions or dinners... i'll think of you.
 

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You are too ignorant to understand you've cited nominal GDP in this very thread.



This is Trump's economy. He failed to react with the appropriate urgency, and now it's spiraled out of control.



Come November, Joe Biden will be elected POTUS. Every time i see Obama come to the WH for state functions or dinners... i'll think of you.

What I understand is your liberal arrogance and inability to comprehend personal responsibility and the role of your state and local governments as well as actual results that benefit human beings.

Trump can do nothing right in your world and it is really sad to see so many with such hatred of a President and so little understanding of the roles and responsibilities of the President as well as those of your own state.

Come November, I will be here and will survive whoever is President, when Trump is re-elected you will have four more years to whine and complain about how you are being personally hurt by a President who has no control over your personal life or responsibilities.
 

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Noticed more baseless predictions

The economy is going to hell in a handbasket. Now, had Trump taken this seriously and put all of his efforts in combating this potential pandemic earlier... he might have warranted support from independents. Not anymore. It's all over for you and your ideology.

you asked for the economic poll numbers and I gave them to you.

Do you honestly think those numbers mean anything at this point? :lol:

Now you take pride in fear driving the markets down in hopes of getting rid of a President

I don't take pride in anything. But the fact remains... all of Trump's economic gains have been wiped away in less than a month. He has absolutely nothing to fall back on as we slide into a depression.
 

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What I understand...

You don't even understand half the **** you post. A person who cites nominal GDP figures claims nominal GDP figures are irrelevant... it's clear you are impervious to logic and critical thinking.

Trump can do nothing right

Trump refused to do what's right. That's the problem.

Come November, I will be here and will survive whoever is President, when Trump is re-elected you will have four more years to whine and complain about how you are being personally hurt by a President who has no control over your personal life or responsibilities.

Trump's toast conman. You may continue to posting partisan ignorance.
 

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The economy is going to hell in a handbasket. Now, had Trump taken this seriously and put all of his efforts in combating this potential pandemic earlier... he might have warranted support from independents. Not anymore. It's all over for you and your ideology.



Do you honestly think those numbers mean anything at this point? :lol:



I don't take pride in anything. But the fact remains... all of Trump's economic gains have been wiped away in less than a month. He has absolutely nothing to fall back on as we slide into a depression.

My economy is fine, why isn't yours? You are the one that asked for the poll numbers and I gave them to you. I feel so sorry for people like you with such an investment in gov't that you cannot accept your own personal failures. You obviously don't take any pride nor do you offer any solutions thus just whine and complain. That is liberalism to a tee, not independent thought

I am so sorry that you made bad choices and live in a blue state, that again shows consequences for personal choice. You expect a President to save you, that isn't going to happen. Your education system failed you just like it has failed all citizens in blue states that support liberal economic policies, policies that destroy incentive and negatively affect human behavior. Gloom and doom is all you people promote!
 

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And there's that routine deceit and denial. Your approval link is for economic only, which means you continue to seek out selective data; and this poll merely reflects his campaign to take undue credit over the years:

Approve: 52.2
Disapprove: 43.0

Notice that even in economy he only has a 52.2. Strange for such a strong economy over the years, no? But even this 52.2 say's more about how stupid Americans are than how good Trump is. The vast majority of approval is certainly Republicans; and it is clear from the low approval, despite the strength of the economy, that people are aware of the inheritance and his tax-cut/debt mess. Here's the proper link from realclearpolitics in regards to Trump's job performance:

Approve: 44.3
Disapprove: 52.0


Here we see Republicans doing their best to deny the list of reality I produced for you. Trump is going down as arguably the worst President in American history by every historical account, along with the only case of clear treachery, yet Republicans seek to be loyal anyway. Were it not for his cult, Trump's overall numbers would be more accurate to what history is recording.

You have been caught by at least three of us altering data from the same official sites we all use. You have relied upon an obtuse attitude to pretend that reality is too hard for you to comprehend. You have downright ignored Donald Trump's recorded history. You have consistently lied for Trump and flip-flopped your ideologies around in accordance to what Trump say's or does on any given day. And when you choose to hold, such as your vague "dependence" whining, you simply ignore Trump's wave of socialism and bail-out agenda currently going on. And you consistently cling to a single select economic poll reading from Americans who have been told by radical right-wing outlets to praise Trump for what he inherited, as the only answer to the wave of bitch slap you always receive.

* Let's all take clear notice how quickly "Conservative" denied the list of answers to the obtuse questions he keeps offering people, but have no interest in answers. Let's all appreciate that his only response is to deny and cuddle close to a select national economic poll that proves nothing and serves no purpose other than to comfort him.
 

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You don't even understand half the **** you post. A person who cites nominal GDP figures claims nominal GDP figures are irrelevant... it's clear you are impervious to logic and critical thinking.



Trump refused to do what's right. That's the problem.



Trump's toast conman. You may continue to posting partisan ignorance.

What is right? Why don't you tell us what is right? Tell us exactly what Trump had the power to do? Whether or not Trump is toast is up to the electorate in November and from what I can see in support for Biden, that isn't going to happen. Trump set records for primary votes even though unopposed whereas Democrats continue to destroy themselves as the Sanders wing isn't going to support Biden. You believe what you want, but I believe actual results.

You ignored it and downplayed the economic results up to the coronavirus and now cheer in the gloom and doom predictions of the left. Such a sad state the left is in today where America has to fail so your ideology can promote more failure while in power. You pick and choose the results you want to tout such as trends ignoring the trends of the U-6 after the stimulus was signed, the massive increase in debt, the 4.3 trillion in GDP growth in 8 years, the 6 million jobs created in 9 years, the more part time jobs for economic reasons than when the recession started then the following results. Nothing satisfies a liberal except for gov't taking over personal responsibility issues for all Americans, how does that benefit you? I do know that every bit of negative news is going to be promoted and every bit of good news ignored. Conservative economic policies will lead to positive results, your policies lead to dependence and true Keynesian economic policies of massive gov't spending regardless of the issue

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2008 14712.8
2009 14448.9
2010 14992.1
GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2011 15,542.6 +804.4
2012 16197.0 +562.4
2013 16784.9 +587.9
2014 17527.3 +652.4
2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% today? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 6.0% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump
 

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he's just a selfish child.


we need to look elsewhere for American leadership.
 

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And there's that routine deceit and denial. Your approval link is for economic only, which means you continue to seek out selective data; and this poll merely reflects his campaign to take undue credit over the years:

Approve: 52.2
Disapprove: 43.0

Notice that even in economy he only has a 52.2. Strange for such a strong economy over the years, no? But even this 52.2 say's more about how stupid Americans are than how good Trump is. The vast majority of approval is certainly Republicans; and it is clear from the low approval, despite the strength of the economy, that people are aware of the inheritance and his tax-cut/debt mess. Here's the proper link from realclearpolitics in regards to Trump's job performance:

Approve: 44.3
Disapprove: 52.0


Here we see Republicans doing their best to deny the list of reality I produced for you. Trump is going down as arguably the worst President in American history by every historical account, yet Republicans seekto be loyal anyway. Were it not for his cult, Trump's overall numbers would be more accurate.

You have been caught by at least three of us altering data from the same official sites we all use. You have relied upon an obtuse attitude to pretend that reality is too hard for you to comprehend. You have downright ignored Donald Trump's recorded history. You have consistently lied for Trump and flip-flopped your ideologies around in accordance to what Trump say's or does on any given day. And when you choose to hold, such as your vague "dependence" whining, you simply ignore Trump's wave of socialism and bail-out agenda currently going on. And you consistently cling to a single select economic poll reading from Americans who have been told by radical right-wing outlets to praise Trump for what he inherited, as the only answer to the wave of bitch slap you always receive.

* Let's all take clear notice how quickly "Conservative" denied the list of answers to the obtuse questions he keeps offering people, but have no interest in answers. Let's all appreciate that his only response is to deny and cuddle close to a select national economic poll that proves nothing and serves no purpose other than to comfort him.

You have vested interest in Trump's defeat, why? you think personal approval ratings coming from people who won't even vote matter? You want badly to get rid of Trump but have offered no viable alternative. the 24/7 negative postings don't change the fact that the American people will vote their pocketbook and have in ever election. If the +50% approval in the economy holds you are going to complain for another 4 years, if not you are going to bask in the glory that liberalism creates, massive dependence and destruction of initiative and drive.

I don't alter data and you have not proven a thing, my data is spot on and in context. you post no data just opinions, yours and others
 

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My economy is fine...

But as the numbers, unaltered, clearly show, your economy was fine before Trump. This desperation to cling to the idea that he brought you salvation is clearly ignorant, pathetic, and partisan based.
 

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But as the numbers, unaltered, clearly show, your economy was fine before Trump. This desperation to cling to the idea that he brought you salvation is clearly ignorant, pathetic, and partisan based.

My economy is always going to be fine because I understand personal responsibility which Trump has continued to promote. You obviously need massive gov't support for yours. Have you ever considered that maybe you live in the wrong country and would be better served in Europe where gov't spending is a major component of GDP and support for the people there vs. private consumerism here?

You are desperate to get rid of a President as a diversion from your state and your own failures always placing blame vs. accepting responsibility. it does seem that actual data is construed as ignorant, pathetic, and partisan when it is actually factual, facts you want to ignore. Again why the vested interest in getting rid of Trump?
 

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If "our" means US citizens at the voting booth, you're right, but the extenuating circumstance is that our duopoly has long been intellectually and morally bankrupt. The system is rigged, and all it offers us is greedy and arrogant leaders.

Yes, we have capitalism run amok, and I think it descended into fascism years ago. We have been sold out by greedy leaders, and we are guilty of being extremely credulous.
Yes, "our" is "us". Every American. Capitalism is the best system out there. I wouldn't have any other. But for it to serve the needs of society, it needs to be practiced with social restraint & care.

Before our eyes we are seeing when pure capitalism, unrestrained capitalism, runs the show. We have no masks, hand sanitizer, and other critical items - not just lacking for us - but lacking for our healthcare workers themselves! Ditto for the uninsured. Ditto for the lack of paid sick leave, Ditto for a gazillion other things. The examples abound, and will become more apparent in times of crisis.
 
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My economy is always going to be fine because I understand personal responsibility which Trump has continued to promote. You obviously need massive gov't support for yours. Have you ever considered that maybe you live in the wrong country and would be better served in Europe where gov't spending is a major component of GDP and support for the people there vs. private consumerism here?

You are desperate to get rid of a President as a diversion from your state and your own failures always placing blame vs. accepting responsibility. it does seem that actual data is construed as ignorant, pathetic, and partisan when it is actually factual, facts you want to ignore. Again why the vested interest in getting rid of Trump?

Conservatives could care less about their fellow Americans.
 

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Another anti Trump thread from a liberal who doesn't understand that you can always complain but better have an alternative or proposed solution, you have none and have never offered any. You want to get rid of Trump and replace him with who? Trump's results don't warrant firing but the constant attacks show how little civics education the left has as you and all other liberals ignore state and local responsibilities in any crisis. You are a big central gov't liberal who always places blame, never accepting responsibility.

You cannot get over the fact that liberalism is a complete failure so you divert and attack promoting continued federal gov't growth and a return to the Obama malaise and massive social interference. why is that?

Why don't you tell us what the President should be doing that he isn't doing? Then explain to us what control he has over state and local responses as well as preventing people from congregating. You want Marshall Law implemented? Tell us out of a population of 6 BILLION people in the world, 330 million Americans what percentage have the coronavirus and what percentage have died?

You obviously hate Trump but your hatred is misguided and should be focused on the education system that created this kind of attitude, reasoning, and logic.

Reagan: Crashed the economy and war criminal.
H.W. Bush: Further crashed the economy
Clinton: Unprecedented growth and budget surplus
W. Bush: Squandered budget surplus, created a near great depression and war criminal
Obama: Prevented great depression and unprecedented growth
Trump: Traitor, criminal, mental patient, crashing the economy.

You keep trying to rewrite history in your image. Unfortunately for you, your fiction only works for you and your fellow misinformed.
 

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I have been attacking results not Obama personally, you don't seem to grasp the difference. It was Obama's economic policies that led to the worst recovery in American history, the loss of the House in 10-12-14-16 and the Congress in 14-16. Why didn't the people see those great Obama results that you seem to have seen?
So if a person attacks Trump and his policies they are attacking him but when they attack Obama's policies and results they are not attacking him personally ( that seems to be your attitude )
and just maybe ( and we will never know ) IF the Republicans had worked with Obama and gave a dang about the welfare of the People of the USA we could have had a more robust recovery BUT NO they didn't give a dang about the American people all they cared about was trying to make Obama a one term President.
so don't keep blaming Obama for the slow recovery again iF the Republicans had worked with him we MAY have had a more robust recovery
have a nice day
 

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You have vested interest in Trump's defeat, why?

Good god, I just ****ing told you why even a sad individual like yourself should be vested in taking the trash out.

I don't alter data and you have not proven a thing, my data is spot on and in context. you post no data just opinions, yours and others

You are an absolute liar.

You were caught by Kushinator:

You were caught right after again by Kushinator:

And when he showed me, I discovered that you had lied to me and Metric Mouse:

WHAT?! He gave this to "Metric Mouse:"

And then he gave this to me:

Unbelievable. Until now I would have defended him against the accusation that he merely fudges numbers, because his routine is to avoid what the facts actually show while selectively producing numbers that helps him to false conclusions. But he literally altered the established data, which looks like a cut/paste job, for the years 2014, 2016, 2017, and 2018. I didn't think that people actually did this. I am actually disappointed here.

And throughout this you suddenly decided that GDP doesn't matter, only cryptocurrency. You argued that the Great Recession was mostly a lie to cover for Obama. I summarized:

Oh, no, no, no...

You have been caught altering data to support your obnoxious partisanship. You were caught by two others; and when they showed me, I discovered that you lied to me too. I was willing to defend you, as if the cut/paste job merely showed some change over time, but then I saw the numbers. The changes were drastic, and from prior established years.

Nobody gets to alter data and then declare that the results are "actual." Since your "actual" results are designed after altering the data, you present false results, false conclusions, and plain lies. The irony is that you wouldn't feel compelled to do this had you based your arguments in a proper place that would give Trump credit where credit is due and criticize Trump where criticism is earned. But your partisanship does not permit such integrity.

- For example, you actually declared GDP as not being important next to cryptocurrency and currency exchange.

- Another example, you argue that the Global Recession was exaggerated in order to brand Obama as malicious as possible in "his" fixes.

- Another example, you went from using Trump's 3.0% argument against Obama to abandoning it in the absence of a 3.0% in recent Trump years.


And after enough embarrassment from all of us, you posted this:

You are so right, I have been caught distorting data that comes from Treasury, bureau of labor statistics, and bureau of economic analysis.

So, clearly, you do altar data, you do lie, and you are consistently proven wrong. You even just lied about not altering data, thus I proved it. Only somebody who doesn't want to be wrong goes to such lengths as of altering data and clearly lying. And what have you completely sold your integrity for? A draft-dodging, silver-spooned elitist who's every decision centers around his fragile ego, to such a degree, that he would employ a foreign government to help him harm Americans in order to win an election. Congratulations. What a good American you are.

****ing log off and re-invent yourself already, because as far as I and so many others are concerned, this is who you forever are on this site.
 
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Conservatives could care less about their fellow Americans.

Yes, obviously we want to kill seniors even though I am one, starve kids, and pollute the air as well. Don't you get tired of lying and promoting class envy and jealousy, probably not!! You think the gov't of Chicago gives a damn about people?
 

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So if a person attacks Trump and his policies they are attacking him but when they attack Obama's policies and results they are not attacking him personally ( that seems to be your attitude )
and just maybe ( and we will never know ) IF the Republicans had worked with Obama and gave a dang about the welfare of the People of the USA we could have had a more robust recovery BUT NO they didn't give a dang about the American people all they cared about was trying to make Obama a one term President.
so don't keep blaming Obama for the slow recovery again iF the Republicans had worked with him we MAY have had a more robust recovery
have a nice day

Attacking Trump's policies aren't the problem but apparently reading comprehension isn't a strong suit of yours. What is it exactly that Obama wanted that Republicans didn't give him, the stimulus???? ACA???? neither of which benefited the American people except in your own mind. Obama wasn't a one term President. you ever going to address why his legacy was rejected and how he lost the House in 10-12-14-16 and the Congress in 14-16? You always place blame totally ignoring that Obama wasn't qualified to lead a private sector economy, what did his resume show?
 

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Yes, obviously we want to kill seniors even though I am one, starve kids, and pollute the air as well. Don't you get tired of lying and promoting class envy and jealousy, probably not!! You think the gov't of Chicago gives a damn about people?

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So if a person attacks Trump and his policies they are attacking him but when they attack Obama's policies and results they are not attacking him personally ( that seems to be your attitude )
and just maybe ( and we will never know ) IF the Republicans had worked with Obama and gave a dang about the welfare of the People of the USA we could have had a more robust recovery BUT NO they didn't give a dang about the American people all they cared about was trying to make Obama a one term President.
so don't keep blaming Obama for the slow recovery again iF the Republicans had worked with him we MAY have had a more robust recovery
have a nice day

Correction, if I may:

- If a person "attacks" Trump, that person is actually attacking the cult, thus individual cult members see to protect their souls at all costs. Where "Conservative" is concerned, this means altering data and plain lying.

- If a person "attacks" Obama, history shows that it is superficial and personally based, such as with birth certificate conspiracies, Muslim conspiracies, and "he hates America" cheer-leading.

And the truth is that those who have decided to hate Obama or Clinton, have done so without even really knowing why they do. Clearly, with Obama not even in the White House yet, and with McConnell, Boehner, and Ryan declaring that their main goal, despite two ongoing wars and the worst recession since the Depression, was to obstruct all things Obama, his blackness had plenty to do with it. Seems that attacking Obama on a personal level started right out of the gate.

I love history. It makes liars out of political partisans.
 
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