Trump has now fallen below 50% US-wide.

[Bok Tuklo]

A) I am not melting down.

Don’t worry about that. They are desperate. They are calling everything a “meltdown.”

It is all they have. It’s quite pathetic.

 

[quip]

Second of all, saying "Yes, because of the electoral college." is the equivalent of saying "Your team won, but only because they scored more points".

Well, no. Rather "Your team won despite not scoring more points."

 

[j brown's body]

Does that make Bush, in 2004, still the only Republican to win the majority vote this century?

 

[Jack Fabulous]

Well, no. Rather "Your team won despite not scoring more points."

Last I checked, 312 is more than 226.

 

[nvflash]

Last I checked, 312 is more than 226.

More importantly it's 42 electoral votes more than Trump needed.

He could have gone to Texas and said 'Vote for Harris' and still won the election.

These fine liberals are just hanging on in denial, they will move on to obstructionism and name calling like they always do.

 

[Ikari]

Is this a case of keep counting until you get the right answer?

No, no one said it would change the EC, this is a case where you keep counting until all the ballots are counted.

 

[nvflash]

No, no one said it would change the EC, this is a case where you keep counting until all the ballots are counted.

There are no moral victories, and we do things the way we have always done them for good reasons.

Those ways are extremely hard to change, there is about as much chance as the tissue paper dog has chasing the asbestos cat through the core of hell of changing them.

Stop living in denial, it's sad to watch.

 

[Ikari]

There are no moral victories, and we do things the way we have always done them for good reasons.

Those ways are extremely hard to change, there is about as much chance as the tissue paper dog has chasing the asbestos cat through the core of hell of changing them.

Stop living in denial, it's sad to watch.

Who is in denial? We count the votes, that's what we do. There's no way to count all the votes within a few days, but we still have to count them.

 

[j brown's body]

Well, no. Rather "Your team won despite not scoring more points."

EC: scored the most points in the right quarter.

 

[hecatmoggie]

There's no way to count all the votes within a few days

why ?

 

[Ikari]

why ?

Because it's millions and millions of ballots and each one takes a finite time to count. There's no such thing as infinite acceleration.

 

[DrewPaul]

I see the high water mark was the popular vote, now it whether you have over 50%.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Because it's millions and millions of ballots and each one takes a finite time to count. There's no such thing as infinite acceleration.

some states can get all the counting done in 24 hours, other states are 14 days out and still not finished

why the huge difference ?

 

[Ikari]

some states can get all the counting done in 24 hours, other states are 14 days out and still not finished

why the huge difference ?

I doubt any have 100% done in 24 hours, but I suspect that those needing more time are those with larger populations.

 

[nvflash]

Who is in denial? We count the votes, that's what we do. There's no way to count all the votes within a few days, but we still have to count them.

So you are posting from the count rooms?

You're really just living in denial or you want some stat to hang onto to try and delegitimize Trump.

You folks have been trying to do that for 9 years, it's not going to work even if someone kills him, because it's not the man, it's the message.

 

[DrewPaul]

It's funny watching people melt down over Trump's decisive and clear cut victory.

Keep me entertained...

You'll be entertained for many years to come.

 

[Ikari]

So you are posting from the count rooms?

You're really just living in denial or you want some stat to hang onto to try and delegitimize Trump.

You folks have been trying to do that for 9 years, it's not going to work even if someone kills him, because it's not the man, it's the message.

I don't even know what you're complaining about. People cast ballots, those ballots have to be counted. Sorry if that upsets you.

 

[hecatmoggie]

I doubt any have 100% done in 24 hours, but I suspect that those needing more time are those with larger populations.

larger populations would have more voting stations and more people to count votes etc

I mean everyone thinks the same thing here - its delayed so votes can be "found" to help candidates win

there is no excuse for 9 days after election vote counting still being done - zero. If its all the mail in's that's the delay, stop allowing mail ins. Something has to change

 

[Ikari]

larger populations would have more voting stations and more people to count votes etc

I mean everyone thinks the same thing here - its delayed so votes can be "found" to help candidates win

there is no excuse for 9 days after election vote counting still being done - zero. If its all the mail in's that's the delay, stop allowing mail ins. Something has to change

It doesn't mean that this still takes time to finish and verify the full count.

Nothing needs to change, it's fine. Vote counting worked well enough to be able to call the EC quite early, and now we're just in the finishing stages of counting, verification, and auditing.

 

[nvflash]

I don't even know what you're complaining about. People cast ballots, those ballots have to be counted. Sorry if that upsets you.

Doesn't upset me, it's just sad to watch people live in denial when you know they are just looking for an stat they can find to sow decent.

Things need to get fixed, the election is over, but too many people always start the next campaign and never listen to the will of the voters.

Nothing ever gets fixed, and we just put all our problems on the nations credit card.

This inflation is the result of that, and it won't get any better until we stop doing this. We have to start fixing things, doing great things again and not just running up debt to maintain our failing empire.

Democrats and Republicans need to find common cause to make good laws, and get rid of bad ones. Some things maybe beyond agreement, but most things should be pretty simple, do the will of the voters who won within reason, and give something to get something.

 

[quip]

Last I checked, 312 is more than 226.

The right's attention span is miraculously short!
I suppose that's a benefit?

 

[Ikari]

Doesn't upset me, it's just sad to watch people live in denial when you know they are just looking for an stat they can find to sow decent.

Things need to get fixed, the election is over, but too many people always start the next campaign and never listen to the will of the voters.

Nothing ever gets fixed, and we just put all our problems on the nations credit card.

This inflation is the result of that, and it won't get any better until we stop doing this. We have to start fixing things, doing great things again and not just running up debt to maintain our failing empire.

Democrats and Republicans need to find common cause to make good laws, and get rid of bad ones. Some things maybe beyond agreement, but most things should be pretty simple, do the will of the voters who won within reason, and give something to get something.

What denial? I don't think you know what that word means.

Ballots were cast, those ballots need to be counted, verified, and audited. That's all there is to it. There's no denial in anything there. You're winding yourself up so much over a simple process that has existed for quite some time.

 

[hecatmoggie]

I don't even know what you're complaining about. People cast ballots, those ballots have to be counted. Sorry if that upsets you.

the question becomes .... how long is too long ?

3 hours?
30 hours?
3 weeks?
3 months ?

its not infinity ..... there are deadlines to cast votes, there should be deadlines to COUNT votes too ... its very important to be exact and timely as well

if most places can get the counting done in 24-48 hours, the ones that cannot have serious problems that need addressed

 

[Captain Adverse]

The electoral college should really be abolished.

This election has once again shown that a candidate (Trump) can win heavily in the electoral college (which is slanted and biased in favour of small Trump-voting states) --- but lose the national popular vote.

The electoral college is therefore extremely unfair and biased towards rural-Trump-voting states.

Trump below 50% among 153 million voters (49.8%) makes his win in the electoral college bitter and he's now kinda an illegitimate president.

In a good system like ours, he would now have to face Harris again in a runoff election.

If he beats her there again, OK.

If Harris wins the runoff election, she'd be the legitimate president.

NO!

I only address the bolded portion of your response, because you clearly have a wrong impression of how and why things work here in the USA.

Our nation was never set up to be a "Democracy." After the Revolutionary War ended, we were a loose Confederation of Independent States united under a weak and pretty much powerless central government. Each State could have its own money. Some States charged tolls and entry fees for interstate travel. It was a nightmare similar to the Holy Roman Empire.

This led to a convention to deal with the problems of this loose Confederation. That convention resulted in the Constitution and our present form of government. But one of the issues of concern was Big States vs Medium States vs Small States. That led to the various governmental compromises including the Electoral College and the allotment of Electoral votes based on the number of Senators and Congressmen each State had. It was to vote for each State, and not on a population-based Democracy.

Going to a simple Majority vote would mean the seven or so States with the largest populations would always be in control. Not a very stable foundation for continued unity or prevention of civil strife/war.

The people pushing for a pure population vote are typically those living in the 7 - 10 heavily populated States who would dominate unless and until the smaller ones sought to break away.

The Electoral College was the compromise that kept the Small and Medium States in the Union.

Today where do you typically hear the demand for a "straight popular vote?" The mostly Democrat controlled "big states" like New York, California, etc.

I am happy with the way the Founders worked this out. It is a fair way to balance the interests and participation of diverse States.

 

[nvflash]

What denial? I don't think you know what that word means.

Ballots were cast, those ballots need to be counted, verified, and audited. That's all there is to it. There's no denial in anything there. You're winding yourself up so much over a simple process that has existed for quite some time.

It's counter productive as a spectator's sport.

Counter productive things have the world on the very edge of disaster, incase you had not noticed.

The US, as the world's clear leader needs to speak with one voice, now more than ever. We need to have a clear message to end wars and conflicts, to settle trade disputes.

Wars are the most counterproductive things ever, not setting the table to share our prosperity with the rest of the world is what is driving them.

We have it within our grasp to call for a meeting of great nations an settle these disputes, to usher in a new era of trade and growth for all, but we can't speak with one voice because people won't accept the election is over and there was a winner, and the winners get to lead.

Just because the winners get to lead, doesn't mean they get to shut out the voices of those who lost, but those voices need to be respectful guidance not obstructionism and campaigning.