Trump exiting Paris accord will harm US economy – LSE research

[Bergslagstroll]

Constant BS propaganda like this is why you guys have no credibility.

The Sky has been falling for how many years now?

My source was NOAA.

Summer 2020 ranked as one of the hottest on record for U.S. | National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

That federal agencies like NOAA are also acknowledging the urgent need for action.

Fourth National Climate Assessment

There those agencies are under the control of Trump and other Republicans that denies the urgent need for action. So it shows how overwhelming the evidences are.

"Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) is the chairman of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. According to Oil Change International, Inhofe has received over $2 million in political contributions from the fossil fuel industry. He once compared the Environmental Protection Agency to the Gestapo, and brought a snowball onto the Senate floor to ‘disprove’ global warming. Sen. Inhofe, author of the 2012 book The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future, once claimed on the Senate floor that “man-made global warming is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.”"


Before the Flood - Top 10 Climate Deniers

 

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[Glitch]

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The US was in the top ten in all those areas until Democrats created the unconstitutional Department of Education and took control of the EPA.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

The US was in the top ten in all those areas until Democrats created the unconstitutional Department of Education and took control of the EPA.

Finland that have an equal and well funded school system is in top then it comes to best education system.

10 reasons Finland's education system is the best - Big Think

While for example Sweden is both one of world's most sustainable countries and rank second on Forbes best countries for business list.

How Sweden Became the World’s Most Sustainable Country: Top 5 Reasons - The ADEC Innovations Blog

Best Countries for Business List

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Renewables have surpass coal even with Trump as president.

Renewable Energy = 22.2% of US Electricity in 1st Half of 2020 (Charts)

While US could have come a lot further in the transition away from fossil fuel if US have had president that listen to the threat from climate change and the massive cost of toxic pollution. As well as understanding the great potential in renewable energy. That for example Denmark got 64%, Ireland got 49% and Germany 42% from wind and solar power alone the first half of this year.

EU Electricity Analysis H1-2020 - Ember

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Trump wants to open up Alaska national forest for logging.

Trump administration finalizes plan to open up protected areas of Tongass National Forest to logging

The Trump administration has finalized a plan to open previously protected areas of the Tongass National Forest in Alaska to logging. The 9.37 million acre area was previously protected under …

thehill.com

 

[Lord of Planar]

Why would politicians support electric cars if the goal was to control people lives as you claim instead of the real reasons the threat from climate change, the massive pollution from fossil fuel cars and the need for energy independence?

The control of resources and tax collection.

That fossil fuel cars means that people are depended on a few big global oil companies for fueling their cars. There those oil companies also give massive donations to political parties and politicians.

Big oil provides us a service we want. Authoritarians like yourself wish to take that service away from us.

Dependency on oil also mean military bases all across the Middle East and costly intervention in the region to protect the flow of cheap oil. That benefit the military industrial complex while American tax payers have to pay for it.

Not true.

History will show that military intervention increases the poro=ice of oil.

How can you be so blind to the facts?

Did some liar tell you that, and you believe them?

Dependency on oil also means massive flow of western oil money to some of the world's most brutal regimes in the Middle East. There those regimes not only use that money to oppress their own people but also gain influence while also funding extremism in western countries.

Again, not true. We have often made it illegal to buy from some countries. Hoewever, being a world commodity, other coutru=ies still buy.

How Qatar uses soft power to conquer the world | Middle East| News and analysis of events in the Arab world | DW | 26.08.2020

Saudi Arabia has 'clear link' to UK extremism, report says - BBC News

Yes, some of their citizens do.

Here in the USA, we still haven't eliminated the mafia, now have we?

This compared to electric vehicles that give more freedom to families because they can charge their cars with electricity from their own solar panels.

Sure.

If you're a 1 percenter...

You also have still not have explain how those political forces that according to you control climate science works.

Simple.

All the agencies of authority, are government controlled. None of them are independent, with independent studies on their side.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Trump wants to open up Alaska national forest for logging.

Trump administration finalizes plan to open up protected areas of Tongass National Forest to logging

The Trump administration has finalized a plan to open previously protected areas of the Tongass National Forest in Alaska to logging. The 9.37 million acre area was previously protected under …

thehill.com

Cool.

That's some good union paying jobs.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

The control of resources and tax collection.


Big oil provides us a service we want. Authoritarians like yourself wish to take that service away from us.


Not true.

History will show that military intervention increases the poro=ice of oil.

How can you be so blind to the facts?

Did some liar tell you that, and you believe them?


Again, not true. We have often made it illegal to buy from some countries. Hoewever, being a world commodity, other coutru=ies still buy.


Yes, some of their citizens do.

Here in the USA, we still haven't eliminated the mafia, now have we?


Sure.

If you're a 1 percenter...


Simple.

All the agencies of authority, are government controlled. None of them are independent, with independent studies on their side.

Oil is a resource that households are forced to buy so government can much easily tax and control that resource. This compared to households producing their own electricity and using it for their cars. Also companies doesn't simply offer a service but also try do influence government to get the regulation that benefit them. There it much easier to do then you have a few massive companies like with the oil companies.

Intervention like the overthrows of the Iranian government in the 50's and the Gulf war was conducted to secure the flow of cheap oil and support allies in the region willing to provide the oil. Also after decades of close relationship with Saudi Arabia, the country is still one of the world's most brutal dictatorships. There after trillions of dollar spent on intervention the region is still far from stable and American tax payers have to pay for military bases all across the region.

World Report 2020: Rights Trends in Saudi Arabia

www.hrw.org

Electric cars are soon projected to be cheaper than fossil fuel cars.

Electric Cars Are Estimated to Be Cheaper Than Regular Cars by 2022

Electric cars were estimated to surpass combustion-engine cars in affordability by 2026, but experts now think it could happen as soon as 2022.

singularityhub.com

Also they are less dependent on costly maintenance and repairs that can be a huge burden especially for low income families. Families will neither have the risk of a new conflict in the Middle East leading to spikig oil prices. There you also need to invest in bike lanes and public transport so that people are not dependent on expensive cars to get to work and do their daly errands.

John Oliver explains all the ways some used-car dealerships take advantage of people

So-called buy-here, pay-here dealers are making a killing selling cars that are sometimes double the Kelley Blue Book value.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Cool.

That's some good union paying jobs.

The question how many jobs that will be created and how long term? That instead renewables can create a lot of new good paying jobs especially in rural areas.

Most of The World Could Be 100% Powered With Renewables by 2050

Almost three quarters of the world's countries could be powered entirely by renewable energy sources by 2050 – if we want it badly enough, that is.

www.sciencealert.com

Why Republican Leaders Love Renewable Energy

Rural Republican districts are often the locations with the best solar and wind resources, and when those resources are harnessed they bring good jobs to places where new sources of employment are often otherwise scarce.

www.forbes.com

Also if you want to have more unions you need to support legislation that makes it easier for workers to organize there Trump have done the opposite.

Trump's Anti-Worker Record

At every turn Donald Trump and his appointees have made increasing the power of corporations over working people their top priority. The list of the damage done to working people by the Trump Administration is long, and growing every day.

cwa-union.org

 

[Lord of Planar]

Oil is a resource that households are forced to buy so government can much easily tax and control that resource. This compared to households producing their own electricity and using it for their cars. Also companies doesn't simply offer a service but also try do influence government to get the regulation that benefit them. There it much easier to do then you have a few massive companies like with the oil companies.

How are households "forced" to buy it?

Intervention like the overthrows of the Iranian government in the 50's and the Gulf war was conducted to secure the flow of cheap oil and support allies in the region willing to provide the oil. Also after decades of close relationship with Saudi Arabia, the country is still one of the world's most brutal dictatorships. There after trillions of dollar spent on intervention the region is still far from stable and American tax payers have to pay for military bases all across the region.

We supported one faction of a Civil War in 1953. England also wanted their oil facilities back that they built and had agreements before the 1950 war. Sure, oil was a consideration, but it wasn't only about oil, like you try to make people believe. The Gulf war was not about oil. The first one was about helping an ally (Kuwaiti) and the secaond was after 911 when Saddam didn't live up to his agreements to end the first Gulf War.

Please grow out of your indoctrination of lies.

World Report 2020: Rights Trends in Saudi Arabia

www.hrw.org

Why do you think we have the right or obligation to judge other nations by our standards?

Electric cars are soon projected to be cheaper than fossil fuel cars.

Maybe so. Yesterday, Tesla announced they would have a $25,000 car with a 300 mile range.

Also they are less dependent on costly maintenance and repairs that can be a huge burden especially for low income families. Families will neither have the risk of a new conflict in the Middle East leading to spikig oil prices. There you also need to invest in bike lanes and public transport so that people are not dependent on expensive cars to get to work and do their daly errands.

Until you have to replace the battery.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

How are households "forced" to buy it?


We supported one faction of a Civil War in 1953. England also wanted their oil facilities back that they built and had agreements before the 1950 war. Sure, oil was a consideration, but it wasn't only about oil, like you try to make people believe. The Gulf war was not about oil. The first one was about helping an ally (Kuwaiti) and the secaond was after 911 when Saddam didn't live up to his agreements to end the first Gulf War.

Please grow out of your indoctrination of lies.


Why do you think we have the right or obligation to judge other nations by our standards?


Maybe so. Yesterday, Tesla announced they would have a $25,000 car with a 300 mile range.


Until you have to replace the battery.

US and other western have been a lot more involved in the Middle East compared to other region. There the result is that region are still far from being democratic and stable after trillions of dollar spent. Take for example that Kuwait twenty years after the very costly Gulf War is still an authoritarian regime.

The Economist Democracy Index - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

World Report 2020: Rights Trends in Kuwait

www.hrw.org

Also as you self write you are projected to sharp decline in the cost of electric cars. There the life span of batteries are getting longer and longer so the batteries can get a second life as energy storage.

Tesla’s readying a ‘million mile’ battery that could greatly lower the cost of EVs

Coming late 2020 or early 2021

www.theverge.com

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Investment in renewable energy creates millions of jobs.

Solar power 'supercharges' global renewable energy jobs to reach record high | Recharge

Employment in clean-energy grows to 11.5 million posts in 2019 but action needed to keep up momentum amid Covid, says Irena in new report

www.rechargenews.com

 

[Lord of Planar]

US and other western have been a lot more involved in the Middle East compared to other region. There the result is that region are still far from being democratic and stable after trillions of dollar spent. Take for example that Kuwait twenty years after the very costly Gulf War is still an authoritarian regime.

The Economist Democracy Index - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

World Report 2020: Rights Trends in Kuwait

www.hrw.org

Also as you self write you are projected to sharp decline in the cost of electric cars. There the life span of batteries are getting longer and longer so the batteries can get a second life as energy storage.

Tesla’s readying a ‘million mile’ battery that could greatly lower the cost of EVs

Coming late 2020 or early 2021

www.theverge.com

Yes, collectively we have. But you don't need to be dishonest and claim every incident is for oil. For less incidents in modern times are for oil than in the past. It's like the way you guys claim all weather incidents are due to climate change. In the eyes of intelligent people, blaming one cause for everything is seen as nothing buy agenda driven ideology, and dismissed. You guys loose all credibility with people of intelligence.

If you were to stop assigning certainty to things that don't have proper evidence, maybe intelligent people would start listening to you.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Investment in renewable energy creates millions of jobs.

Solar power 'supercharges' global renewable energy jobs to reach record high | Recharge

Employment in clean-energy grows to 11.5 million posts in 2019 but action needed to keep up momentum amid Covid, says Irena in new report

www.rechargenews.com

So why do we need to subsidize it?

 

[Bergslagstroll]

So why do we need to subsidize it?

Subsidies to new technologies to reach economies of scale and speed up technological development. There investments in renewable energy have really payed of. That you have seen an rapid increase in renewable energy and also created millions of jobs.

Europe now gets 21% of its electricity from solar and wind

Globally 10% of all energy was produced by solar panels and wind turbines in the first half of 2020.

www.euronews.com

That even with subsidies to fossil fuel being bigger than subsidies to renewable energy.

$400bn in global fossil fuel consumption subsidies, twice that for renewables - Energy Post

At over $400bn in 2018, global fossil fuel consumption subsidies are more than double those for renewables. That makes sense while governments worldwide use energy subsidies to help poor consumers, and clean energy still makes up a smaller proportion of the global energy mix. But it makes the...

energypost.eu

There you also have the trillion dollar cost of fossil fuels.

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WP/Issues/2019/05/02/Global-Fossil-Fuel-Subsidies-Remain-Large-An-Update-Based-on-Country-Level-Estimates-46509

 

[Robertinfremont]

At times like these, I take comfort in science. Which is why I go HERE

People that fear climate use those aluminum helmets.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

People that fear climate use those aluminum helmets.

Even federal agencies under the control and scrutiny of Trump and other Republicans that denies the urgent need for action are acknowledging the massive costs of climate change.

"Below are some of the impacts that are currently visible throughout the U.S. and will continue to affect these regions, according to the Third3 and Fourth4 National Climate Assessment Reports, released by the U.S. Global Change Research Program:

Northeast. Heat waves, heavy downpours and sea level rise pose growing challenges to many aspects of life in the Northeast. Infrastructure, agriculture, fisheries and ecosystems will be increasingly compromised. Many states and cities are beginning to incorporate climate change into their planning.

Northwest. Changes in the timing of streamflow reduce water supplies for competing demands. Sea level rise, erosion, inundation, risks to infrastructure and increasing ocean acidity pose major threats. Increasing wildfire, insect outbreaks and tree diseases are causing widespread tree die-off.

Southeast. Sea level rise poses widespread and continuing threats to the region’s economy and environment. Extreme heat will affect health, energy, agriculture and more. Decreased water availability will have economic and environmental impacts.

Midwest. Extreme heat, heavy downpours and flooding will affect infrastructure, health, agriculture, forestry, transportation, air and water quality, and more. Climate change will also exacerbate a range of risks to the Great Lakes.

Southwest. Increased heat, drought and insect outbreaks, all linked to climate change, have increased wildfires. Declining water supplies, reduced agricultural yields, health impacts in cities due to heat, and flooding and erosion in coastal areas are additional concerns."

Effects

Takeaways Earth Will Continue to Warm and the Effects Will Be Profound Global climate change is not a future problem. Changes to Earth’s climate driven by increased human emissions of heat-trapping greenhouse gases are already having widespread effects on the environment: glaciers and ice sheets...

climate.nasa.gov

 

[RetiredUSN]

Exiting the Paris Accord will hurt the US economy.

"Withdrawing from the Paris agreement does not make economic sense for the US, a group of economists has argued, as the cost of clean energy has fallen since the agreement was signed in 2015, while the risks of climate catastrophe have increased.

Economists from the Grantham Institute for Climate Change at the London School of Economics examined the economic case for the US withdrawal, which President Donald Trump signalled in June 2017, and which will take effect on 4 November, the day after this year’s presidential election.

They found that climate breakdown would cause growing losses to US infrastructure and property, and impede the rate of economic growth this century, and that an increasing proportion of the carbon emissions causing global heating would come from countries outside the US. That gives the US a vested interest in whether the Paris agreement succeeds or fails, regardless of whether the US fulfils its own voluntary obligations under the accord."

Trump exiting Paris accord will harm US economy – LSE research | Environment | The Guardian

That renewables are starting to out compete fossil fuels all across the world leading to great economic opportunities.

Plunging Renewable Energy Prices Mean U.S. Can Hit 90% Clean Electricity By 2035 - At No Extra Cost

Why Energy Storage Is Proving Even More Disruptive Than Cheap Renewables

There also just the health benefits from reduction in air pollution alone outweigh the cost of the Paris Accord.

Health benefits far outweigh the costs of meeting climate change goals

Please explain how any country cannot go it's own way with it's own innovation and ideas when it comes to climate change.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Please explain how any country cannot go it's own way with it's own innovation and ideas when it comes to climate change.

Climate change from greenhouse gases is a global threat so countries need to work together and for example set goals to reducing their emissions. There US instead have a president that ignore the warnings from his own federal agencies and instead that wants to spend billions of dollars propping up failing coal plants.

Donald Trump hopes to save America’s failing coal-fired power plants

The plan would benefit a handful of firms the president favours at the expense of consumers

www.economist.com

Also new technologies needs investments to gain economies of scale and technological development there countries can also learn from each other. That for example Denmark and Germany have invested a lot in renewable energy and now Denmark gets 64 percent and Germany 42 percent of their electricity from wind and solar power.

Europe now gets 21% of its electricity from solar and wind

Globally 10% of all energy was produced by solar panels and wind turbines in the first half of 2020.

www.euronews.com

There this have lead to economies of scale and technological development so that even red Texas and the fossil fuel companies now sees the great benefits of renewable energy.

Texas is embracing renewable energy – and its wind power is soaring | World Economic Forum

BP said it will cut oil production 40% and the stock market didn’t blink

Oil companies, at least in Europe, are winning market approval for phasing out their old business model

qz.com

Shell reportedly to slash oil and gas production costs to focus more on renewables

 

[RetiredUSN]

Climate change from greenhouse gases is a global threat so countries need to work together and for example set goals to reducing their emissions. There US instead have a president that ignore the warnings from his own federal agencies and instead that wants to spend billions of dollars propping up failing coal plants.

Donald Trump hopes to save America’s failing coal-fired power plants

The plan would benefit a handful of firms the president favours at the expense of consumers

www.economist.com

Also new technologies needs investments to gain economies of scale and technological development there countries can also learn from each other. That for example Denmark and Germany have invested a lot in renewable energy and now Denmark gets 64 percent and Germany 42 percent of their electricity from wind and solar power.

Europe now gets 21% of its electricity from solar and wind

Globally 10% of all energy was produced by solar panels and wind turbines in the first half of 2020.

www.euronews.com

There this have lead to economies of scale and technological development so that even red Texas and the fossil fuel companies now sees the great benefits of renewable energy.

Texas is embracing renewable energy – and its wind power is soaring | World Economic Forum

BP said it will cut oil production 40% and the stock market didn’t blink

Oil companies, at least in Europe, are winning market approval for phasing out their old business model

qz.com

Shell reportedly to slash oil and gas production costs to focus more on renewables

You didn't answer my question.

I don't care about your cut & paste opinions.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Subsidies to new technologies to reach economies of scale and speed up technological development. There investments in renewable energy have really payed of. That you have seen an rapid increase in renewable energy and also created millions of jobs.

Europe now gets 21% of its electricity from solar and wind

Globally 10% of all energy was produced by solar panels and wind turbines in the first half of 2020.

www.euronews.com

That even with subsidies to fossil fuel being bigger than subsidies to renewable energy.

$400bn in global fossil fuel consumption subsidies, twice that for renewables - Energy Post

At over $400bn in 2018, global fossil fuel consumption subsidies are more than double those for renewables. That makes sense while governments worldwide use energy subsidies to help poor consumers, and clean energy still makes up a smaller proportion of the global energy mix. But it makes the...

energypost.eu

There you also have the trillion dollar cost of fossil fuels.

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WP/Issues/2019/05/02/Global-Fossil-Fuel-Subsidies-Remain-Large-An-Update-Based-on-Country-Level-Estimates-46509

Childish behavior. Screaming "I want it now Mommy!"

 

[Jack Hays]

German Prof: Climate Science Politicized, Exaggerated, Filled With “Fantasy”, “Fairy Tales”…”Paris Accord Already Dead”!
In an interview with publicist Roland Tichy, Prof. Fritz Vahrenholt – one of the founders of Germany’s modern environmental movement – said we have in fact three generations time to revamp the world’s energy supply system to one that is cleaner and sustainable.
Continue reading →

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Trump attack against science, the environment and people's well being have gone so far that even industries have objected to his rollback of regulation.

"What Trump did not acknowledge is that the Paris agreement was in many ways designed by — and for — the United States. It is a voluntary pact that sought to build momentum by allowing countries to design their own commitments, and the only power it has comes in the form of transparency: laggards will be exposed. By pulling the United States out of the agreement and backtracking on climate commitments, Trump has also reduced pressure on other countries to act, says David Victor, a political scientist at the University of California, San Diego. “Countries that needed to participate in the Paris process — because that was part of being a member in good standing of the global community — no longer feel that pressure.”

After Trump announced his decision on the Paris accord, his appointees at the EPA set about dismantling climate policies put in place under former president Barack Obama. At the top of the list were a pair of regulations targeting greenhouse-gas emissions from power plants and automobiles. Over the past 15 months, the Trump administration has gutted both regulations and replaced them with weaker standards that will save industry money — and do little to reduce emissions.

In some cases, even industry objected to the rollbacks. The administration’s efforts prompted objections from several carmakers, such as Ford and Honda, which last year signed a separate agreement with California to maintain a more aggressive standard. More recently, energy giants such as Exxon Mobil and BP opposed the administration’s move to weaken rules that require oil and gas companies to limit and eliminate emissions of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas."

How Trump damaged science

The US president’s actions have exacerbated the pandemic that has killed more than 200,000 people in the United States, rolled back environmental and public-health regulations and undermined science and scientific institutions. Some of the harm could be permanent.

www.nature.com

 

[longview]

Trump attack against science, the environment and people's well being have gone so far that even industries have objected to his rollback of regulation.

"What Trump did not acknowledge is that the Paris agreement was in many ways designed by — and for — the United States. It is a voluntary pact that sought to build momentum by allowing countries to design their own commitments, and the only power it has comes in the form of transparency: laggards will be exposed. By pulling the United States out of the agreement and backtracking on climate commitments, Trump has also reduced pressure on other countries to act, says David Victor, a political scientist at the University of California, San Diego. “Countries that needed to participate in the Paris process — because that was part of being a member in good standing of the global community — no longer feel that pressure.”

After Trump announced his decision on the Paris accord, his appointees at the EPA set about dismantling climate policies put in place under former president Barack Obama. At the top of the list were a pair of regulations targeting greenhouse-gas emissions from power plants and automobiles. Over the past 15 months, the Trump administration has gutted both regulations and replaced them with weaker standards that will save industry money — and do little to reduce emissions.

In some cases, even industry objected to the rollbacks. The administration’s efforts prompted objections from several carmakers, such as Ford and Honda, which last year signed a separate agreement with California to maintain a more aggressive standard. More recently, energy giants such as Exxon Mobil and BP opposed the administration’s move to weaken rules that require oil and gas companies to limit and eliminate emissions of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas."

How Trump damaged science

The US president’s actions have exacerbated the pandemic that has killed more than 200,000 people in the United States, rolled back environmental and public-health regulations and undermined science and scientific institutions. Some of the harm could be permanent.

www.nature.com

You still did not answer RetiredUSN's question!
Consider, that if the US not trying to solve a CO2 issue, cuts CO2 emissions by 40% as a side effect.
You are correct that the Paris accord was designed for the US, without sucking a bunch of money
out of the US, the wealth transfers, would have to be abandoned, or come from Europe.