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Lord of Planar said:
Well, that is a fact. Just being captured doesn't make you a hero.
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It is kind of nauseating to see someone defend the indefensible. I was personally almost ill when I saw Trump mock a disabled man (I'm sure you are familiar with that event and I'm now equally sure you are able to "defend" it).

(Also: Trump attempted to distance his comment and said the following when people took him to task for his comment on McCain: “If somebody’s a prisoner, I consider them a war hero.” So, you are pretty much wrong no matter how you defend Trump. Because Trump doesn't believe in anything except "who is giving Donny love". That's it. 100% of DJT's focus is on who is supporting/defending/helping him. Once someone fails to show him love they are thrown under the bus. Just like his voters.)
 
istodolez said:
It is kind of nauseating to see someone defend the indefensible. I was personally almost ill when I saw Trump mock a disabled man (I'm sure you are familiar with that event and I'm now equally sure you are able to "defend" it).

(Also: Trump attempted to distance his comment and said the following when people took him to task for his comment on McCain: “If somebody’s a prisoner, I consider them a war hero.” So, you are pretty much wrong no matter how you defend Trump. Because Trump doesn't believe in anything except "who is giving Donny love". That's it. 100% of DJT's focus is on who is supporting/defending/helping him. Once someone fails to show him love they are thrown under the bus. Just like his voters.)
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He didn't mock him because he was disabled, and a disability should not be a shield.

I used to like McCain myself, but his long time in DC has made him just a milder version of the pork machine.

LOL... When progressives like you like McCain... What do you think right leaning people think?
 
Lord of Planar said:
He didn't mock him because he was disabled, and a disability should not be a shield.
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I am really sad to see you defend that particular case. I honestly think you are smarter than that.

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

LOL... When progressives like you like McCain
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Wow...you are batting 0 for 2 now. I never said I liked McCain! You really need to be more close on what conclusions you draw without evidence.. I rather strongly disliked McCain.

You really shouldn't try to talk about things you don't know about.

Honestly.
 
istodolez said:
I am really sad to see you defend that particular case. I honestly think you are smarter than that.

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.



Wow...you are batting 0 for 2 now. I never said I liked McCain! You really need to be more close on what conclusions you draw without evidence.. I rather strongly disliked McCain.

You really shouldn't try to talk about things you don't know about.

Honestly.
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LOL...

I reserve the right to retaliate in-kind. You have repeatedly drawn conclusions of my actions by using confirmation bias. I knew that you might respond this way, but I just had to return the favor of making a judgement with to how your words could be misconstrued, since you have repeatedly done so with me.

Now... Please answer me this. Why is it not OK to publicly dislike someone, but then it's not OK if that person has a disability? Why is it OK to use a disability as a shield when it doesn't apply to the reasons, or not spoken of?
 
Lord of Planar said:
LOL...

I reserve the right to retaliate in-kind. You have repeatedly drawn conclusions of my actions by using confirmation bias. I knew that you might respond this way, but I just had to return the favor of making a judgement with to how your words could be misconstrued, since you have repeatedly done so with me.

Now... Please answer me this. Why is it not OK to publicly dislike someone, but then it's not OK if that person has a disability? Why is it OK to use a disability as a shield when it doesn't apply to the reasons, or not spoken of?
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The second sentance should read:

Now... Please answer me this. Why is it OK to publicly dislike someone, but then it's not OK if that person has a disability? Why is it OK to use a disability as a shield when it doesn't apply to the reasons, or not spoken of?

And your side claims special rights is not real...
 
Lord of Planar said:
LOL...

I reserve the right to retaliate in-kind.
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Do your worst.

You have repeatedly drawn conclusions of my actions by using confirmation bias.
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Like I said, it doesn't appear you know what the phrase "confirmation bias" is. You have likewise insulted my education repeatedly.

I knew that you might respond this way, but I just had to return the favor of making a judgement with to how your words could be misconstrued, since you have repeatedly done so with me.
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No. As in all things when you run up against someone who disagrees with you it is always the OTHER PERSON either "hiding facts" (like the world's scientists) or "misconstruing" you or whatever excuse du jour you like at that time.

I have definitely insulted you on here, but I have actually complimented you a number of times on this forum but you unrelentingly heap abuse on me. You aren't quite the being of light you fancy yourself.

Now... Please answer me this. Why is it not OK to publicly dislike someone, but then it's not OK if that person has a disability?
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You are really starting to sicken me. Trump was 100% fine in disliking the reporter. I'm A-OK with that. IT IS NEVER OK TO MOCK THE DISABILITY. I know you're going to go on and say Trump wasn't even though it is manifestly obvious:

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Why is it OK to use a disability as a shield when it doesn't apply to the reasons, or not spoken of?
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You sick ****. No one was using it as a shield.
 
istodolez said:
Do your worst.



Like I said, it doesn't appear you know what the phrase "confirmation bias" is. You have likewise insulted my education repeatedly.



No. As in all things when you run up against someone who disagrees with you it is always the OTHER PERSON either "hiding facts" (like the world's scientists) or "misconstruing" you or whatever excuse du jour you like at that time.

I have definitely insulted you on here, but I have actually complimented you a number of times on this forum but you unrelentingly heap abuse on me. You aren't quite the being of light you fancy yourself.



You are really starting to sicken me. Trump was 100% fine in disliking the reporter. I'm A-OK with that. IT IS NEVER OK TO MOCK THE DISABILITY. I know you're going to go on and say Trump wasn't even though it is manifestly obvious:

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You sick ****. No one was using it as a shield.
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This compared to Trudeau that correct his own supporters then they heckle a reporter.

 
Bergslagstroll said:
Extreme weather in US during August

"August 2020 will be remembered for its extreme heat and violent weather: The U.S. endured heat waves, hurricanes, a devastating derecho and raging wildfires out West.
Meteorological summer — June through August’s end — was a standout: It ranked 4th hottest and in the driest one-third of all summers in the historical record."

Summer 2020 ranked as one of the hottest on record for U.S. | National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
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Constant BS propaganda like this is why you guys have no credibility.

The Sky has been falling for how many years now?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Constant BS propaganda like this is why you guys have no credibility.

The Sky has been falling for how many years now?
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I agree it is pointless to make a big deal of ONE YEAR. Which is why I always take your buddy, Jack, to task for his non-stop posting of the hyperventilating blog posts about this one year or that one year, etc.

But the climate is warming. Systematically. The fact that this year fits in with that disturbing trend is icing on the cake.

If I asked you to allow me to burn down your home and I'll give you "something else" would you take that offer? I mean I might give you a mansion! Or I might give you a hole in the ground.


The science is clear that climate change is real. The big questions remain "what will it result in?" The real problem is that we simply don't know, but what we DO know is it will be different and that will require adaptation which is not a zero-cost proposal. In fact if it happens fast enough the cost will be extreme.

We are all running to Vegas to gamble away our mortgage money. We might come out infinitely wealthier but there's no real reason to assume that is the case. Most of the time you come away poorer.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Exiting the Paris Accord will hurt the US economy.

"Withdrawing from the Paris agreement does not make economic sense for the US, a group of economists has argued, as the cost of clean energy has fallen since the agreement was signed in 2015, while the risks of climate catastrophe have increased.

Economists from the Grantham Institute for Climate Change at the London School of Economics examined the economic case for the US withdrawal, which President Donald Trump signalled in June 2017, and which will take effect on 4 November, the day after this year’s presidential election.

They found that climate breakdown would cause growing losses to US infrastructure and property, and impede the rate of economic growth this century, and that an increasing proportion of the carbon emissions causing global heating would come from countries outside the US. That gives the US a vested interest in whether the Paris agreement succeeds or fails, regardless of whether the US fulfils its own voluntary obligations under the accord."

Trump exiting Paris accord will harm US economy – LSE research | Environment | The Guardian

That renewables are starting to out compete fossil fuels all across the world leading to great economic opportunities.

Plunging Renewable Energy Prices Mean U.S. Can Hit 90% Clean Electricity By 2035 - At No Extra Cost

Why Energy Storage Is Proving Even More Disruptive Than Cheap Renewables

There also just the health benefits from reduction in air pollution alone outweigh the cost of the Paris Accord.

Health benefits far outweigh the costs of meeting climate change goals
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Are you unaware that energy in the U.S. is 90% cleaner than it was 20 years ago? The real uproar is over the U.S. pulling out and not paying the bulk of the cost of the Paris Accord. China and India produce twice what the U.S. produces and are doing nothing to curtail that amount. Of course this seems somewhat reasonable since those are the 3 largest populated countries by far in the world.
 
istodolez said:
I agree it is pointless to make a big deal of ONE YEAR. Which is why I always take your buddy, Jack, to task for his non-stop posting of the hyperventilating blog posts about this one year or that one year, etc.

But the climate is warming. Systematically. The fact that this year fits in with that disturbing trend is icing on the cake.

If I asked you to allow me to burn down your home and I'll give you "something else" would you take that offer? I mean I might give you a mansion! Or I might give you a hole in the ground.


The science is clear that climate change is real. The big questions remain "what will it result in?" The real problem is that we simply don't know, but what we DO know is it will be different and that will require adaptation which is not a zero-cost proposal. In fact if it happens fast enough the cost will be extreme.

We are all running to Vegas to gamble away our mortgage money. We might come out infinitely wealthier but there's no real reason to assume that is the case. Most of the time you come away poorer.
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My point is that every bad weather incident, the alarmist community tries tying it to AGW. At some point, you have to just laugh at them. Some day a breakthrough, and real concern will be seen, but the credibility is lost, and nobody now believes the boy who cried wolf.

Anyone scientists truly concerned about the possible damages of AGW like you appear to be, should also help put a stop to every silly incident the alarmists try to tie to AGW, else you are part of the problem, of the Boy who cried Wolf.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Are you unaware that energy in the U.S. is 90% cleaner than it was 20 years ago? The real uproar is over the U.S. pulling out and not paying the bulk of the cost of the Paris Accord. China and India produce twice what the U.S. produces and are doing nothing to curtail that amount. Of course this seems somewhat reasonable since those are the 3 largest populated countries by far in the world.
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Yep.

Follow the money.
 
Lord of Planar said:
My point is that every bad weather incident, the alarmist community tries tying it to AGW.
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And every time it snows denialists and skeptics run around like AGW is dead. Remember Inhofe's stunt with the snowball in the Senate? Let's not fool ourselves that the only the AGW crowd does stupid, non-scientific stuff.

At some point, you have to just laugh at them. Some day a breakthrough, and real concern will be seen, but the credibility is lost, and nobody now believes the boy who cried wolf.
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And it works on the flipside as well.

Anyone scientists truly concerned about the possible damages of AGW like you appear to be, should also help put a stop to every silly incident the alarmists try to tie to AGW, else you are part of the problem, of the Boy who cried Wolf.
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Do you do that for all the stupid anti-science stuff from the "skeptics" on here as well?

Because I am no record a NUMBER of times on this forum (and many others over the years) saying that single year data points are not valuable in this conversation.
 
istodolez said:
And every time it snows denialists and skeptics run around like AGW is dead. Remember Inhofe's stunt with the snowball in the Senate? Let's not fool ourselves that the only the AGW crowd does stupid, non-scientific stuff.
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I disagree. It doesn't happen very often.

istodolez said:
And it works on the flipside as well.
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Deniers do deserve ridicule, just like the alarmists do.

istodolez said:
Do you do that for all the stupid anti-science stuff from the "skeptics" on here as well?
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I haven't seen very much that is "stupid" from the skeptics here. I do see utter stupidity from several of the alarmists here though.

istodolez said:
Because I am no record a NUMBER of times on this forum (and many others over the years) saying that single year data points are not valuable in this conversation.
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I agree. You don't see me using a single incident. However, it is the commonplace that every single incident that can, gets reported as climate change being the cause.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Are you unaware that energy in the U.S. is 90% cleaner than it was 20 years ago? The real uproar is over the U.S. pulling out and not paying the bulk of the cost of the Paris Accord. China and India produce twice what the U.S. produces and are doing nothing to curtail that amount. Of course this seems somewhat reasonable since those are the 3 largest populated countries by far in the world.
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That do you base that claim on? That even if US have reduced its air pollution hundreds of thousands of American still dies from air pollution each year.

Around 200,000 Americans Die Every Year From Air Pollution That Meets EPA Standard

Also India's total C02 emissions are still only around half of US even with a much bigger population. While China's is still around half of US per capita. There US C02 emissions per capita is also double/three times higher than many other industrializes nations.

List of countries by carbon dioxide emissions - Wikipedia

List of countries by carbon dioxide emissions per capita - Wikipedia

Also the three billions US would contributed to the Paris Accord between 2017-2020 can be compared to the billions of dollar per year Trump want to spend on propping up failing and dirty coal plans.

Daily chart - Donald Trump hopes to save America’s failing coal-fired power plants | Graphic detail | The Economist

Also India and China is doing a lot even if they of course could also do a lot more and have powerful economical and political interests that wants to delay the transition.

India becoming a global force in wind energy and solar power | REVE News of the wind sector in Spain and in the world

https://www.evwind.es/2020/08/02/ch...generation-capacity-grows-in-first-half/76202
 
Lord of Planar said:
Yes, the USA censor things like certain swear words, beheadings, child porn, nudity, etc. for the general audience.

Do you really want to be in 1st place and see live beheadings of the Iraq war on TV?
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This is the third speculation you have come up with in respons to my post, there neither of your speculations have been backed up with any actual sources.

That of course countries like Canada and also the Nordic that is in the top spots don't allow child porn and don't show live beheading. There this or the fact that US ban swear words and nudity on a few channels that are not cable channels have of course nothing to do with that ranking. There this is the real motivation.

"Press freedom in the United States continued to suffer during President Donald Trump’s third year in office. Arrests, physical assaults, public denigration and the harassment of journalists continued in 2019, though the numbers of journalists arrested and assaulted were slightly lower than the year prior. Much of that ire has come from President Trump and his associates in the federal government, who have demonstrated the United States is no longer a champion of press freedom at home or abroad. This dangerous anti-press sentiment has trickled down to local governments, institutions and the American public. In March 2019, a leaked document revealed the US government was using a secret database tracking journalists, activists and others who border authorities believed should be stopped for questioning when crossing certain checkpoints along the US-Mexico border. A couple months later, the Justice Department charged Wikileaks co-founder Julian Assange with 17 counts of the WWI-era Espionage Act. If he is convicted, this would set a dangerous precedent for journalists who publish classified US government information of public interest moving forward. Under President Trump, the White House has strategically replaced traditional forms of press access with those that limit the ability of journalists to ask questions of the administration. The last daily, televised White House press briefing led by a press secretary took place in March 2019, and since then the federal government has made multiple attempts to deny specific journalists and news outlets access to other opportunities for press engagement."


United States | RSF

You also have the democracy index there Canada rank on 7:th place and United States on place 25:th.

Democracy Index - Wikipedia

That Canada even rank higher on the list best countries for businesses.

Best Countries for Business List
 
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