Trump: evacuate Tehran

[Pyrite]

I think it's pretty clear who is leading who here, and it isn't Trump. The fact Trump said he didn't care about Gabbard's intelligence report about Iran's nuclear capability and chose to believe Netanyahu and his decade's old "Iran will have a weapon in 2 weeks!!" schtick, says all most need to know about who is calling the shots. Mind you, this is the same Netanyahi who testified Iraq was definitely working on a nuclear weapon, which it wasn't.

Now whether or not the US actually joins Israel in attacks is still up in the air, but what is not clear is what either of these leaders have in mind post conflict, since Netanyahu's been floating the regime change rhetoric more often now, and he knows he can't do that without the US. It's a matter of Trump folding once again and walking away from his original strategy and being led into a conflict by Netanyahu, who's beholden to his party of nutters.

Post #360

If the US goes ahead and commits an act of war against Iran, it should be on the basis of what our own intel and security people assess - and not on the basis of, "Well, Bibi says...."

 

[anatta]

Post #362

"Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence, told lawmakers in March that U.S. spy agencies assessed that Iran had not made a decision to build nuclear weapons but it had stockpiles of enriched uranium far beyond what is required for civilian purposes. The U.S. intelligence community’s view has not changed since her testimony, the source with knowledge of the matter said."

Yes, this is what I've been reading. I worry that we might end up pushing Iran into the position that its leadership comes to the conclusion it has no choice but to build nuclear weapons ASAP (whether or not the USA's pilots in American B-2 stealth bombers drop those 30,000 bunker-busting munitions).

No doubt about it, a nuclear-power Iran would be unsettling, to say the least. But I hope that cooler heads in the Trump Administration prevail. (Another thing: personally, I don't like any country's pulling our strings and maneuvering us into entering into what could easily become a war, whether it's Israel or anyone else.)

sure but Iran is on it's own timetable (ASAP) for nuclear weapons development. IOW There is nothing the USA or Israel can do to slow down their timetable except to literally blow it up

 

[Pyrite]

sure but Iran is on it's own timetable (ASAP) for nuclear weapons development. IOW There is nothing the USA or Israel can do to slow down their timetable except to literally blow it up

Post #377


Sure, but we have managed to survive a nuclear-armed Russia, a nuclear-armed China, and a nuclear-armed North Korea.

Save for "Bibi's word", there is no reason to assume that the world wouldn't be able to survive a nuclear-armed Iran.

Initiating a war with Iran is something you think is in the best interests - not of Israel - but of the USA? If your answer is yes, please explain why.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Post #377


Sure, but we have managed to survive a nuclear-armed Russia, a nuclear-armed China, and a nuclear-armed North Korea.

Save for "Bibi's word", there is no reason to assume that the world wouldn't be able to survive a nuclear-armed Iran.

Initiating a war with Iran is something you think is in the best interests - not of Israel - but of the USA? If your answer is yes, please explain why.

Because Donald Trump is not getting his needed dose of praise.

He bolted from the G7 meeting much to the delight of the other leaders claiming he had pressing business with Iran to then only spend the day attacking his favorite issues and bitching like a school girl.

There is growing speculation he will invade Iran on this issue as his self esteem has been slipping due to not getting the attention he wanted when he sent troops into LA, staged a pathetic parade in the rain and spent two days railing at ghosts on X.

You can survive a nuclear anything but I'm wondering if America will survive Trump.

WHAT A **** UP!

 

[Along Came Jones]

Because Donald Trump is not getting his needed dose of praise.

He bolted from the G7 meeting much to the delight of the other leaders claiming he had pressing business with Iran to then only spend the day attacking his favorite issues and bitching like a school girl.

There is growing speculation he will invade Iran on this issue as his self esteem has been slipping due to not getting the attention he wanted when he sent troops into LA, staged a pathetic parade in the rain and spent two days railing at ghosts on X.

You can survive a nuclear anything but I'm wondering if America will survive Trump.

WHAT A **** UP!

Surviving a nuclear "anything" is questionable. As difficult as it may be to imagine now, we will survive Trump.

 

[anatta]

Post #377


Sure, but we have managed to survive a nuclear-armed Russia, a nuclear-armed China, and a nuclear-armed North Korea.

Save for "Bibi's word", there is no reason to assume that the world wouldn't be able to survive a nuclear-armed Iran.

Initiating a war with Iran is something you think is in the best interests - not of Israel - but of the USA? If your answer is yes, please explain why.

You do understand the Hidden Iman (Mahdai) and the end of time? Thats not some religious "what if" abstract like armageddon;
it's a key concept and Shi'a Islam is based on it.

Which makes the regime non-rational actors, and their threat tangible

 

[jaypatriot]

Post #349


So, you will be fine and dandy with trump's ordering US pilots to fly US B-2 stealth bombs over Iran and to drop US bunker-busting 30,000 lb bombs on the people of that country?

If you mean "people of that country" who are living next to a nuclear enrichment facility far away from an urban area, then I would think those people should have already been evacuated from those areas - if they have any common sense at all.

 

[Pyrite]

You do understand the Hidden Iman (Mahdai) and the end of time? Thats not some religious "what if" abstract like armageddon;
it's a key concept and Shi'a Islam is based on it.

Which makes the regime non-rational actors, and their threat tangible

I don't deal with whatever religious crap you're spewing.

I deal with reality: As I've already noted, we've survived a nuclear-armed Russia. We've survived a nuclear-armed China. We've survived a nuclear-armed Pakistan. We've survived a nuclear-armed Israel. We've survived a nuclear-armed North Korea.

There's no reason to think we wouldn't survive a nuclear-armed Iran.

 

[Pyrite]

If you mean "people of that country" who are living next to a nuclear enrichment facility far away from an urban area, then I would think those people should have already been evacuated from those areas - if they have any common sense at all.

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So, you're on board with the possibility trump could very well order US pilots to fly US B-2 stealth bombers over Iran and drop US bunker-busting 30,000 lb. munitions on the Iranian people.

Got it.

Thanks for answering.

 

[Serenity]

Remember, Netanyahu was wrong about Iraq.

“There is no question whatsoever that Saddam is seeking, is working, is advancing towards to the development of nuclear weapons,” Netanyahu said in 2002 testimony to Congress.

User Clip: Netanyahu says 'no question' Saddam working on nuclear weapons

Benjamin Netanyahu lies in his congressional testimony, claiming that Saddam Hussein is building nuclear weapons

www.c-span.org

 

[Apocalypse]

Remember, Netanyahu was wrong about Iraq.

“There is no question whatsoever that Saddam is seeking, is working, is advancing towards to the development of nuclear weapons,” Netanyahu said in 2002 testimony to Congress.

User Clip: Netanyahu says 'no question' Saddam working on nuclear weapons

Benjamin Netanyahu lies in his congressional testimony, claiming that Saddam Hussein is building nuclear weapons

www.c-span.org

I don't believe for a moment that you buy the nonsense that Iran is not looking for nuclear weapons.
Even IAEA from the worthless UN said they're not complying. They built a nuclear facility under a mountain.
Which makes me question your motivation for saying so.

 

[Pyrite]

I don't believe for a moment that you buy the nonsense that Iran is not looking for nuclear weapons.
Even IAEA from the worthless UN said they're not complying. They built a nuclear facility under a mountain.
Which makes me question your motivation for saying so.

Post #386


Oh, now you're misrepresenting what I've said....and doing this is a sure sign that you're floundering, like a fish out of water.

I haven't said that "Iran is not looking for nuclear weapons", either on the black market or re the ability to develop them itself.

Back to the Netanyahu Government's apparent lack of preparedness for dealing with ballistic missile counterattacks from Iran (the country attacked by Israel last Friday): pretty embarrassing, don't you think?

 

[Apocalypse]

Post #386


Oh, now you're misrepresenting what I've said....and doing this is a sure sign that you're floundering, like a fish out of water.

I haven't said that "Iran is not looking for nuclear weapons", either on the black market or re the ability to develop them itself.

Back to the Netanyahu Government's apparent lack of preparedness for dealing with ballistic missile counterattacks from Iran (the country attacked by Israel last Friday): pretty embarrassing, don't you think?

I replied to another poster lol.

 

[Pyrite]

I replied to another poster lol.

So you did! Oh, geeze, the joke's on me! (And I did this to myself....)

Thanks for pointing this out.

I hope you and everyone else stay safe.

Later.

 

[Serenity]

I don't believe for a moment that you buy the nonsense that Iran is not looking for nuclear weapons.
Even IAEA from the worthless UN said they're not complying. They built a nuclear facility under a mountain.
Which makes me question your motivation for saying so.

My understanding is that the US intelligence community maintain that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon but has noted that Iran had enriched uranium to higher levels.

So there are conflicting reports.

This escalation has the ability to send the entire world into turmoil. Obviously if it could be handled via satisfactory negotiations, that would be the desired outcome.

 

[Callen]

I'm confident Trump would not get sucked into a extended war. However if Iran attacks US bases in the region that would have to be responded to as well.. Maybe i'm not seeing the flashing red lights of danger. Hopefully Trump finishes the job. and that's the impetus for regime change. The hawks will want all kinds of scenarios .Trump is (hopefully) solid that dropping a MOAB doesn't lead to further escalation

Unfortunately it is more than likely Iran would hit an American base and Trump would have no choice but to engage. I suspect this is one of the reasons they are taking their time deciding. How do you take out that facility without becoming more embroiled? I just hope Trump isn't looking to Hegseth for advice. He needs guidance from some real pros.

As for regime change, It didn't work out so well the last time the US did that in Iran. In fact it ultimately led to what Iran is today. As the old adage goes ......be careful what you ask for you may get it.

 

[Callen]

As for your claim trump is "trying to save lives": Doing Netanyahu's bidding would take many, many lives, dispossess and dislocate many, many people. AND, in the end, we might not have accomplished the stated goa

If Trump cares about saving lives, I mean really cares not just says he cares, he wouldn't be thinking of doing the bidding of Bibi who cares nothing about human life. Once he gets Trump to drop that bob he wilt ruthlessly attack the Iranian people who he hates as much as he hates the Palestinians. Dropping that bomb opens the door for immense loss of life in Iran.

 

[Callen]

Remember, Netanyahu was wrong about Iraq.

He wasn't wrong ...he deliberately lied. This man is a monster.

 

[Apocalypse]

If Trump cares about saving lives, I mean really cares not just says he cares, he wouldn't be thinking of doing the bidding of Bibi who cares nothing about human life. Once he gets Trump to drop that bob he wilt ruthlessly attack the Iranian people who he hates as much as he hates the Palestinians. Dropping that bomb opens the door for immense loss of life in Iran.

Senseless. What does bombing Fordo have to do with "ruthlessly attacking the Iranian people"?

 

[Callen]

Senseless. What does bombing Fordo have to do with "ruthlessly attacking the Iranian people"?

You really think Bibi will stop his attacks on Iran after Fordo is taken out? I think he will take advantage of the situation and escalate attacks within Iran once the US has served its purpose.

 

[Apocalypse]

You really think Bibi will stop his attacks on Iran after Fordo is taken out? I think he will take advantage of the situation and escalate attacks within Iran once the US has served its purpose.

I think every person that doesn't support a regime that murders women for showing their hair in public and sponsors terrorism around the world against pretty much everyone should agree that it needs to be confronted and stopped from doing what it is doing.

What I don't see is how an attack on Fordo is going to cause Iranian civilians to be "ruthlessly attacked".
Israel is already in war with the theocratic regime and is already intending on taking it out targeting its military and regime infrastructure. Fordo is simply a nuclear facility built under a mountain that Israel cannot take out with its own bombs.

 

[Callen]

What I don't see is how an attack on Fordo is going to cause Iranian civilians to be "ruthlessly attacked".
Israel is already in war with the theocratic regime and is already intending on taking it out targeting its military and regime infrastructure. Fordo is simply a nuclear facility built under a mountain that Israel cannot take out with its own bombs

I believe Israel will move beyond military and infrastructure to civilian targets. However, they won't dare do that until the US has served its purpose.

 

[gbg3]

He wasn't wrong ...he deliberately lied. This man is a monster.

You are all twisted up, seeing good guys and countries they lead as monsters and bad guys and countries they lead as innocent victims.

 

[Callen]

You are all twisted up, seeing good guys and countries they lead as monsters and bad guys and countries they lead as innocent victims.

Bibi is not a good guy, not by a long shot. I have no issues with Israel or Israelis and I have never voiced any. I also have never expressed any support for any bad guys, certainly not Iran. You are the one all twisted up and making things up.

 

[jaypatriot]

I don't deal with whatever religious crap you're spewing.

I deal with reality: As I've already noted, we've survived a nuclear-armed Russia. We've survived a nuclear-armed China. We've survived a nuclear-armed Pakistan. We've survived a nuclear-armed Israel. We've survived a nuclear-armed North Korea.

There's no reason to think we wouldn't survive a nuclear-armed Iran.

Your defense of Iran is admirable only if you can imagine that terrorist country playing nice with other countries in that region AFTER gaining control over numerous nuclear weapons. You apparently do imagine that. Incredible.
I can't waste any time trying to explain Iran's behavior over the past 45-plus years since the unfortunate founding of their Islamic "republic".