Trump created this problem, as he always does

[BabaVoss]

 

[SkyChief]

If Trump decides to stay out of the Iran conflict, then dems will piss and moan, and say that he needs to intervene.

If Trump decides to take action in the Iran conflict, then dems will piss and moan, and say that he should not intervene.

 

[dmpi]

If Trump decides to stay out of the Iran conflict, then dems will piss and moan, and say that he nneds to intervene.

It

On the world stage the Democrats have become largely irrelevant. They don't represent anyone and having no core ideology they struggle to even find a viable position or stand.

 

[Hamish Howl]

If Trump decides to stay out of the Iran conflict, then dems will piss and moan, and say that he needs to intervene.

If Trump decides to take action in the Iran conflict, then dems will piss and moan, and say that he should not intervene.

I'm totally okay with kicking Iran in the ass.

We should have done it 46 years ago.

 

[SkyChief]

I'm totally okay with kicking Iran in the ass.

I'm okay with saying out of that mess.

We learned hard lessons about mission creep with Vietnam and Afghanistan - - how a "quick" and "decisive" military intervention can turn into a 20 year conflict.

We should have done it 46 years ago.

Nah. The U.S. is not the policeman of the world.

"America is not the world's policeman. Terrible things happen across the globe, and it is beyond our means to right every wrong." - Barack Obama

 

[phoenix2020]

Thus far MAGA’s “but Democrats!” deflections leave a lot to be desired. @SkyChief was promising but failed to utilize namecalling. @dmpi showed up to one-up him but whiffed with staggering blandness. Thus far they’re tied with 3 out of 10 points. Let’s hope a more experienced and talented MAGA will show up soon to properly own the left.

 

[SkyChief]

Thus far MAGA’s “but Democrats!” deflections leave a lot to be desired. @SkyChief was promising but failed to utilize namecalling. @dmpi showed up to one-up him but whiffed with staggering blandness. Thus far they’re tied with 3 out of 10 points. Let’s hope a more experienced and talented MAGA will show up soon to properly own the left.

What a remarkably dumb post - even for you.

No useful information - just a load of

 

[phoenix2020]

What a remarkably dumb post - even for you.

No useful information - just a load of

What a remarkably dumb post - even for you!

No useful information - just a load of

 

[ScrambledEggs]

If Trump decides to stay out of the Iran conflict, then dems will piss and moan, and say that he needs to intervene.

If Trump decides to take action in the Iran conflict, then dems will piss and moan, and say that he should not intervene.

The MAGA Prayer

 

[Craig234]

They aren't close. They weren't pursuing one, as much as they have strong reason to. They fact they don't have one and are attacked trying to destroy them, while countries like North Korea and Pakistan are not, shows they need one. The claim they are close is a lie used to try to justify attacking them. Just as it was with Iraq.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

On the world stage the Democrats have become largely irrelevant. They don't represent anyone and having no core ideology they struggle to even find a viable position or stand.

Canada rejected right-wing politics. Europe has not abandoned Ukraine. Israel did not feel the need to go rogue & bomb Iran under Biden.

 

[Redress]

If Trump decides to stay out of the Iran conflict, then dems will piss and moan, and say that he needs to intervene.

If Trump decides to take action in the Iran conflict, then dems will piss and moan, and say that he should not intervene.

I am going to say this before Trump decides: we should stay out of it unless attacked. Helping Israel in purely defensive ways is fine, but strikes or other attacks should not be done unless we are attacked first.

 

[medi]

On the world stage the Democrats have become largely irrelevant. They don't represent anyone and having no core ideology they struggle to even find a viable position or stand.

It is really unfortunate that you have pretty much nailed this one square on the head. All one needs to do is look around at the threads/posts by Democratic Party loyalists in just this Community to see that there seems to be no new playbook. Just the same thing over and over and over - hate Trump. I mean, it really, really can't be denied because the evidence is everywhere around here. I'm in my 8th decade of life and became politically aware of life during the Cuban Missile Crisis and have since seen all sorts of politic type stuff in more than one nation and I really, really do not think I have ever seen a political party meltdown like we are witnessing here --- I mean witnessing right here in this Community. We don't even have to go out and watch a television, or listen to the radio, or go elsewhere on the Net --- the meltdown is so vividly clear right here in/on Debate Politics.

And if you take a look at the archives that there is a link to down at the lower side of the landing page you can see what the style was many years ago around here, and it ain't nothing like we are seeing/reading now.

I really do feel sorry for some of you, as you have really been brainwashed so badly that you might never recover. So sad.

 

[SkyChief]

The MAGA Prayer

Dear lord, what a stupid post.

I am going to say this before Trump decides: we should stay out of it unless attacked. Helping Israel in purely defensive ways is fine, but strikes or other attacks should not be done unless we are attacked first.

An intelligent post. Thank you.

I disagree with the "Helping Israel" part, but you conveyed an intelligent message. Many talking heads on the news are claiming that America is "obligated" to get involved in the Iran/Israel war.

We are not, and I hope Trump decides to keep America out of that war.

"Let our affairs be disentangled from those of all other nations, except as to commerce." - Thomas Jefferson

 

[ScrambledEggs]

It is really unfortunate that you have pretty much nailed this one square on the head. All one needs to do is look around at the threads/posts by Democratic Party loyalists in just this Community to see that there seems to be no new playbook. Just the same thing over and over and over - hate Trump. I mean, it really, really can't be denied because the evidence is everywhere around here. I'm in my 8th decade of life and became politically aware of life during the Cuban Missile Crisis and have since seen all sorts of politic type stuff in more than one nation and I really, really do not think I have ever seen a political party meltdown like we are witnessing here --- I mean witnessing right here in this Community. We don't even have to go out and watch a television, or listen to the radio, or go elsewhere on the Net --- the meltdown is so vividly clear right here in/on Debate Politics.

And if you take a look at the archives that there is a link to down at the lower side of the landing page you can see what the style was many years ago around here, and it ain't nothing like we are seeing/reading now.

I really do feel sorry for some of you, as you have really been brainwashed so badly that you might never recover. So sad.

Of course, none of your post attempts to justify anything Trump is doing. Because you can't. And deep down, you know it.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

Dear lord, what a stupid post.

When Democrats criticize my Trump
I know they will always be
Haters of my Lord
Sins, dishonesty
No matter what Trump does
He'll always count on me
For I no longer serve my country
I serve my Party

- The MAGA Prayer

 

[redbeer]

On the world stage the Democrats have become largely irrelevant. They don't represent anyone and having no core ideology they struggle to even find a viable position or stand.

24/7 hate Trump is who they are, period and that's it. When they run for elections, it's whoever raises the hate the highest wins. Programmed to be insane.

 

[medi]

Of course, none of your post attempts to justify anything Trump is doing. Because you can't. And deep down, you know it.

Actually, - "deep down" - just a short moment ago I was deep down trying to find out if an auto-pen machine was enough ransom for two Democrats that one of your fellow party loyalist had worries about being kidnapped. Then I see that little red alert thingy up there and see somebody quoted my writings and read what that response is and am amazed that somebody is so interested in my deep thoughts that they are doing some sort of mind reading of my brain and I have to feel like a compliment is needed because you care so much for me to be going to all that trouble.

There is one sort of slight trouble, though; you aren't so good at reading comprehension, are you? I have written a number of posts explaining the logic behind some of the present administration's decision-making, but you didn't understand my writings. I suppose I should try thinking like a . . . Well, I won't go down that lane. You have enough problems already. Good luck with your upgrade of your reading skills.

You know, you and my wife would get along pretty good, as she has been telling me for over 30 years that "deep down" I am really, really stupid. And you know why she has just been proven correct? Because I am writing this reply to you.

 

[phoenix2020]

Dear lord, what a stupid post.

Speaking of stupid posts, remember when you claimed that you were assaulted/harassed by a poll booth by a woman you were convinced was a Democrat because she wore denim?

 

[NewfieMom]

I am going to say this before Trump decides: we should stay out of it unless attacked. Helping Israel in purely defensive ways is fine, but strikes or other attacks should not be done unless we are attacked first.

I tend to agree with you. I also think the Israelis are hoping that the Iranian people will bring about regime change themselves and make it possible for Israel to stop the military action. The Israelis do not view Iran the way that they do the Arab states. They do not want to bomb the civilian centers. They are hoping that the Iranian people will have an uprising and spare them doing that, but wonder if regime change can come without an army's cooperation in Iran.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

Actually, - "deep down" - just a short moment ago I was deep down trying to find out if an auto-pen machine was enough ransom for two Democrats that one of your fellow party loyalist had worries about being kidnapped. Then I see that little red alert thingy up there and see somebody quoted my writings and read what that response is and am amazed that somebody is so interested in my deep thoughts that they are doing some sort of mind reading of my brain and I have to feel like a compliment is needed because you care so much for me to be going to all that trouble.

There is one sort of slight trouble, though; you aren't so good at reading comprehension, are you? I have written a number of posts explaining the logic behind some of the present administration's decision-making, but you didn't understand my writings. I suppose I should try thinking like a . . . Well, I won't go down that lane. You have enough problems already. Good luck with your upgrade of your reading skills.

You know, you and my wife would get along pretty good, as she has been telling me for over 30 years that "deep down" I am really, really stupid. And you know why she has just been proven correct? Because I am writing this reply to you.

Can you link me to your posts in this thread "explaining the logic behind some of the present administration's decision making"? I don't see them.

 

[medi]

I tend to agree with you. I also think the Israelis are hoping that the Iranian people will bring about regime change themselves and make it possible for Israel to stop the military action. The Israelis do not view Iran the way that they do the Arab states. They do not want to bomb the civilian centers. They are hoping that the Iranian people will have an uprising and spare them doing that, but wonder if regime change can come without an army's cooperation in Iran.

While the idea of regime change is appealing to some degree the thought of what could happen if the hardcore military folks were to attack civilians is scary. The blood bath that could happen is a big worry for some folks that are required to study such things. I suppose that is because it is too real of a possibility. The average civilian in Iran is just about fed up enough to risk going out on the streets to demand changes.

 

[medi]

Can you link me to your posts in this thread "explaining the logic behind some of the present administration's decision making"? I don't see them.

My screen is showing that I posted that 24 minutes ago and in just 24 minutes you were able to do a proper search? You must have one fine piece of equipment there. Must be a tower. I'm not working with such fine equipment, so it'll take me a little longer. Especially as you used the plural form and didn't just ask for one example.

Yep, 24 minutes; mighty fast that was.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

My screen is showing that I posted that 24 minutes ago and in just 24 minutes you were able to do a proper search? You must have one fine piece of equipment there. Must be a tower. I'm not working with such fine equipment, so it'll take me a little longer. Especially as you used the plural form and didn't just ask for one example.

Yep, 24 minutes; mighty fast that was.

If you don't want to discuss the topic of this thread, fine. Start a new thread about "everyone hates Trump" - or maybe just post "TDS" and bounce.

The topic of this thread is whether or not Trump backing out of the original nuclear deal with Iran led to where we are today, as the OP indicated by the Senator Chris Murphy quote.

 

[Nickyjo]

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