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Trump announces travel ban from Europe amid growing fears of coronavirus

SLC said:
And the travel ban from China bought the US extra time much like this ban will do also.
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What did Trump do with that time?

Oh, yeah, he said it was a hoax.
 
SLC said:
And the travel ban from China bought the US extra time much like this ban will do also.
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You're conveniently avoiding the gapping hole he left open. Wonder why?
 
mrdeltoid said:
HCalifornia better have plenty of test kits, because that’s where the infected illegals are heading. Good job Dems.
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We have a thousand cases. Mexico has 11.

Your racism is hanging out.
 
Fiddytree said:
Unfortunately for the administration, the speech was not specific enough, nor was it accurately read by the President.

DHS: U.S. is suspending entry of most foreign nationals who have been in certain European countries in the past 14 days, with many exceptions. The suspension does not apply to legal permanent residents...immediate family members of US citizens, and other individuals listed. It also does not apply to cargo.

https://twitter.com/FridaGhitis/status/1237922908913238021

And whatever reporter you can find on Twitter sharing this clarification.
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Here's the announcement: Homeland Security Acting Secretary Chad F. Wolf’s Statement on Presidential Proclamation To Protect the Homeland from Travel-Related Coronavirus Spread | Homeland Security

(WASHINGTON) Today President Donald J. Trump signed a Presidential Proclamation, which suspends the entry of most foreign nationals who have been in certain European countries at any point during the 14 days prior to their scheduled arrival to the United States. These countries, known as the Schengen Area, include: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. This does not apply to legal permanent residents, (generally) immediate family members of U.S. citizens, and other individuals who are identified in the proclamation.
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Actual proclamation here:

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Says the same thing but outlines a bunch of exceptions for diplomats and others.
 
SCrider said:
Yes, if you're going to ban travel do it all.
What is the reason not to?
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I would assume the level of COVID-19 present in that country. Should we shut down all public transportation?
 
Hamish Howl said:
Okay, the horse is out of the barn and 5 miles down the road. We can lock the gate now.
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That was the Democratic Party's demand. $0 and raging travel bans are racist - until after the horse is out of the barn and 5 miles down the road exactly as the Democratic Party wanted.
 
SLC said:
They will check the passport and ban anyone that isn't from the UK.
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Close - the ban is for anyone who's been in "Europe" (the Schengen area) during the 14 days prior to attempted entry. That would include UK residents who went to France during that time period, but would allow a German who spends two weeks or so in the UK to then fly on to the U.S. It's not about citizenship.

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It's a mystery why the UK is considered a safe zone, since it's got 460 or so cases and local transmission, including about 90 new cases in the last day or so.
 
jpn said:
Meanwhile, continue to look to the White House for guidance:

Pence says he and Trump will continue to shake hands despite coronavirus
Vice President Pence on Tuesday said the Trump campaign will determine on a day-to-day basis whether to continue holding campaign rallies and said he and President Trump would continue shaking hands even as public health officials warn of the risks of both amid the coronavirus outbreak.
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This is one of those cases where stupidity deserves the consequences. And of defying the experts.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Really? How did that disease get here?
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If we'd shut all our borders the day we learned of the virus in China to the entire world, that might have worked. Stopped all trade, all human travel, including our soldiers and their family coming home and kept all international ports of entry closed for 6 months to a year or so until we got a vaccine, including all people and goods from Canada and Mexico of course...

The point is that's not possible and so the travel bans hopefully delay the spread, but cannot realistically stop it.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... is that what PPACA decided was "affordable"?
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I'm sure PPACA has been sabotaged to death.

My brother had a insurance company cancel him on PPACA due to non payment. He showed them the cancelled checks but they refused to budge. He had to get the government involved to set them straight. Lots of insurance companies were doing crooked thinks to sabotage PPACA. And then there are the republicans.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I don’t know what you even want Trump to do or to have done. If he ordered this back in February you would’ve been hounding him for bringing the economy to a standstill over the cold.

I feel it is perfectly acceptable to let a virus as benign as covid spread for the sake of the economy
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Sure, it might only kill a million or two Americans at a 1% death rate, completely overwhelm the healthcare system for a year or so, create ACTUAL death panels where hospitals literally decide who lives and who has to go home and die, so sorry, and so kill a lot more not sick with CV19 but just ordinary illnesses. What's the problem? The good news is it's mostly only old and sick people, and who cares about them, amiright?
 
JasperL said:
If we'd shut all our borders the day we learned of the virus in China to the entire world, that might have worked. Stopped all trade, all human travel, including our soldiers and their family coming home and kept all international ports of entry closed for 6 months to a year or so until we got a vaccine, including all people and goods from Canada and Mexico of course...

The point is that's not possible and so the travel bans hopefully delay the spread, but cannot realistically stop it.
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Doing some travel restriction is certainly better than doing no travel restriction. It's like the idea that since most auto accidents happen close to home, during daylight hours and at relatively low speeds then one must be (statistically) safer driving only far away, at night and at higher speeds. ;)
 
Hamish Howl said:
What did Trump do with that time?

Oh, yeah, he said it was a hoax.
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No Ham he didn't say the Virus was a hoax. He said the Russia thing was a hoax. He said the Ukraine thing was a hoax. He said the Dems would us the virus as the next hoax. And he was EXACTLY correct. The Dems are trying to lie about his "lack of response" as the next hoax. And people like you are lying and saying he called he virus itself a hoax. You are just a perfect example of what he was saying. He took decisive action and the Dems criticized it as racist. He undoubtedly saved American lives.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
You cannot point to any action at any point in time Trump took that you would have supported.

I will continue to point out the media panic has been well overblown.

The initial travel restrictions to China were heavily criticized
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I've never seen nor does anyone quote anyone heavily criticizing Trump's ban on China travel. Like most things Trumpian, it's a lie told often enough we assume that it must be true, but alas, it's more BS from the right wing puke funnel, fabricating grievances so they can play victim.

Seriously, if you can fine more than isolated quotes of a handful of Democrats, feel free, but I've looked and seen almost nothing. E.g. https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-airing-grievances-coronavirus-is-overcooked/

What's there is mild criticism at WORST. Poor baby Trump. I guess if you're not kissing his ring with your tongue it's more criticism than he can stand.
 
SLC said:
No Ham he didn't say the Virus was a hoax. He said the Russia thing was a hoax. He said the Ukraine thing was a hoax. He said the Dems would us the virus as the next hoax. And he was EXACTLY correct. The Dems are trying to lie about his "lack of response" as the next hoax. And people like you are lying and saying he called he virus itself a hoax. You are just a perfect example of what he was saying. He took decisive action and the Dems criticized it as racist. He undoubtedly saved American lives.
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He took decisive action of saying "it's the flu".

Which I guess you could say, at least until there are no more available ventilators.
 
JasperL said:
Sure, it might only kill a million or two Americans at a 1% death rate, completely overwhelm the healthcare system for a year or so, create ACTUAL death panels where hospitals literally decide who lives and who has to go home and die, so sorry, and so kill a lot more not sick with CV19 but just ordinary illnesses. What's the problem? The good news is it's mostly only old and sick people, and who cares about them, amiright?
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It does not have a 1% death rate.
 
Hamish Howl said:
He took decisive action of saying "it's the flu".

Which I guess you could say, at least until there are no more available ventilators.
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It spreads like the flu and the flu has caused many more American deaths.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I would assume the level of COVID-19 present in that country. Should we shut down all public transportation?
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Here's some numbers current as of now, and the travel status starting Friday night:

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Sweden - 500 - travel ban
UK - 459 - OK to travel
Denmark - 444 - travel ban
Iceland - 85 - travel ban
Leichtenstein - 1 (not a typo) - travel ban
 
what was wrong with Trump during his address tonight?

He's never been good at reading from the teleprompter but jeeze, that was terrible. Like he was a zombie. Or on tranquilizers.
 
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