Trump: ‘The entire database of Maricopa County in Arizona has been DELETED!’

[trouble13]

"We"?

So go ahead and post her "suspicions", link to them,

I don't know what they are nor do I need to know. She does not answer to me.

 

[trouble13]

No, that is not how this was initiated, the AZ Senate under Fann, with a one seat advantage initiated this unprecedented action.

That is within their authority to order and the judge agreed

 

[Luce]

That is within their authority to order and the judge agreed

What wasn't in her authority was to allow a state funded election audit to receive private funding. That is in fact against the law in Arizona, and she voted for that very same law.

Best part is she admitted publicly that she doesn't even know where the funding came from, but that Cyberninjas will tell her when they're done.

 

[JasperL]

What I do not care about is the sit down and shut up because we have spoken narrative being pushed by the left. People want a closer look at the elections and in at least one place that is happening. People have a right to seek out answers to their questions over the objetcations from the left.

"We" haven't spoken, but the courts, the state and county election officials, the recounts in Maricopa county, the audit in that county, DoJ, FBI and much more have spoken. In other words, every shred of objective evidence has spoken repeatedly and clearly and 100% of that evidence, all of it, every shred of evidence, debunks the 'stolen election' claims.

And the way it works here is Trump and his minions spread a bunch of lies, his followers believe the lies, which generates suspicion, and then the lies that generate suspicion are used to justify nonsense 'audits' like we're discussing in this thread. The bonus is as the "audit" is taking place, the auditors and the head of the senate are pushing ever more lies, on top of the lies they used to start the audit. Or else they're telling us the incompetence across the board is staggering, and to dismiss the entire effort as such. Both of course is likely here.

This "audit" is not a serious attempt to get at any truth. If the state senate were serious, they would not have hired an outfit with exactly ZERO experience auditing an election, and whose procedures as we've seen in this thread are laughable. There is no way for this clown show to come to a useful, believable conclusion. The "auditors" are clearly incompetent. They're learning how to audit elections as they go. That's not what serious people looking for serious answers do. That's what hacks who are looking for an excuse to question the election do, and this is it.

I was a financial statement auditor for a couple of CPA firms. If you're a company and need an "audit" you don't hire Joe and his buddies who are ALL doing their first audit of a company ever, and expect the users of the financials to trust that audit. If a company does that, you can bet the users will KNOW (not suspect) that the audit is a joke and assume the financial statements are completely unreliable and act accordingly and disregard them. That's what WILL happen here to anyone who cares about the result.

And a state looking for serious answers to a serious question doesn't fund a tiny fraction of the cost of the audit, and leave the rest of the funding up to dark money political hacks pushing an agenda we all know they're pushing - the election was stolen from Trump. If the STATE believes an audit is necessary, fund the damn thing with state money so the state has control over the process. Outsourcing it to this bunch of clowns disqualifies the effort from the jump.

 

[trouble13]

Arizona auditors now say voter data is intact, after sparking GOP feud

By Eric Bradner, CNN Auditors hired by the Arizona state Senate backtracked Tuesday from claims that a key database had been deleted from Maricopa County's elections servers -- admitting...

www.kake.com

"Auditors hired by the Arizona state Senate backtracked Tuesday from claims that a key database had been deleted from Maricopa County's elections servers -- admitting in a hearing held by the Senate Republicans overseeing the audit that the data is intact and they'd been looking the wrong way. (Just as I had suggested they had done)
The blunder was the latest embarrassment for state Senate President Karen Fann and the Republicans who sought the audit, which is being overseen by a company called Cyber Ninjas."

I have created databases in ACCESS. (small ones). I also maintained the production line dimensional measurement data entry stations for a plastic container manufacturing plant, adding new setups and editing revised control limits as needed and printing out reports. One of the basic necessities is to have an understanding of the architecture of system itself and it's software. This was not an isolated incident or an aberration for Cyber Ninja. In the Michigan recount Cyber Ninja accused county officials of having deleted a log that never existed in the first place. Because the particular software suite that county purchased did not contain the feature used to generate that log. That is the very kind of thing you are supposed to know before even starting an audit. They also accused one county of having recorded more casted votes than there were registered voters for that county. Only to find out later they had mistakenly used the numbers from a different county in a different state. How??? Those are clear indicators of careless and reckless incompetence. They simply don't do their homework. These idiots probably wouldn't even be qualified to tally and balance daily cashier receipts for a local supermarket never mind conducting a forensic audit of anyone or anything.

That is not what he said.

 

[trouble13]

No. You don't get it at all. Gore and Clinton conceded for the good of the country. They put country ahead of party and personal political ambition. With Trump it was never America first. It was me first and me only.

You and I view the audit differently. I am uncomfortable with how the election was conducted. I support taking a closer look at the entire election.

 

[Bullseye]

In case your memory is short, conservatives tore into the polls after the 2016 election. They said polls cannot be trusted. But apparently polls are fine as long as they can be used to back your narrative? Well, I suppose if Dear Leader did it I shouldn't be surprised when his followers do the same.

LOL, and off you go into the weeds. Do you understand the difference between and exit poll and a public onion poll? Apparently not.

Wait, I thought Powell was supposed to save the Trump presidency? At least that's what they were saying on Breitbart. What happened?!

I don’t recall ever saying that. Since I never read Beitbart I must have missed it. Still using LW mantras, eh?

Not sure exactly what this means. You can Google it if you doubt me. Face it, you've got no evidence for your baseless belief. You cannot accept Dear Leader lost so. Now we know what true TDS looks like.

Google? LW’s chief information mangler? Sure, that’ prove it.

 

[trouble13]

They were no unfounded allegations, but those in Arizona certainly are. Did or did I not trump campaign manager Paul Manafort send internal campaign polling data to a person in Russia that was chummy with Putin? Answer: he did. Why? And his exactly is that not collusion.
Much much different from Arizona.

The investigation was started based on going in search of crime that never happened. It was based on suspicion. The audit is based on the standard. The objection to this audit are without merit.

 

[trouble13]

Instead you want people who are saying Trump and his supporters have no credible evidence to just shutup and ignore the actual evidence that there was no significant amount of voter or election fraud in 2020, President Biden won, fair and square.

They are free to object all they like. What they are trying to do that I object to is to prejudge the outcome and use their prejudice as a justification to demand that the audit is stopped before it reaches its conclusion.

 

[Geoist]

LOL, and off you go into the weeds. Do you understand the difference between and exit poll and a public onion poll? Apparently not.

You are the one who has no idea what he's talking about: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/exit-polls-can-be-misleading-especially-this-year/

Even under ideal conditions, exit polls can be misleading. People often use them to suss out the horse race while waiting for results to get insight into who’s winning, but exit polls aren’t intended to be used this way. Really, what they’re designed to do is help explain how a candidate won after everything is said and done, breaking down a candidate’s support using various demographic variables like gender, race and education. (For example, they made it really easy to tease out how the gender gap between Democratic and Republican support has grown with time.)

I don’t recall ever saying that. Since I never read Beitbart I must have missed it. Still using LW mantras, eh?

I didn't specifically say you said that. I am calling out your cult and their tendency to trust snake oil salesmen (or women).

Google? LW’s chief information mangler? Sure, that’ prove it.

You do realize there are other search engines, right?

 

[trouble13]

What wasn't in her authority was to allow a state funded election audit to receive private funding. That is in fact against the law in Arizona, and she voted for that very same law.

Best part is she admitted publicly that she doesn't even know where the funding came from, but that Cyberninjas will tell her when they're done.

If she violated a law she should be accountable for it unless this is a case of selective prosecution based on political bias.

 

[SCrider]

What I do not care about is the sit down and shut up because we have spoken narrative being pushed by the left. People want a closer look at the elections and in at least one place that is happening. People have a right to seek out answers to their questions over the objetcations from the left.

You get that a lot of the objections are coming from the GOP right? I mean you are smart enough to see that, aren’t you?

 

[Brack]

That's sounds like something for the courts to sort out. Has anyone challenged the order in court?

The Maricopa County Supervisors decided not to appeal the Judge's decision last February.

After meeting with their attorneys, the supervisors decided to not appeal the ruling." Link

The Judge and Supervisors were likely unaware of that section in the Civil Rights Act of 1960.

DOJ: Arizona recount could violate civil rights laws

The Department of Justice on Wednesday issued a warning regarding the Arizona audit of 2020 election ballots in Maricopa County, saying it could be violating both federal voting and civil rights laws, CNN

thehill.com

 

[JasperL]

They are free to object all they like. What they are trying to do that I object to is to prejudge the outcome and use their prejudice as a justification to demand that the audit is stopped before it reaches its conclusion.

There is no "prejudice" in calling this audit what it so clearly is - a sad joke.

And the only prejudging of the outcome I see is to disregard it in its entirety, no matter the conclusions. Something produced by incompetents isn't worth reading.

 

[ecofarm]

what the hell are you talking about? Do you continually suffer from oral diarrhea?

And yet it keeps you guys screaming like scalded cats. If its so baseless why do you guys keep bringing it up day after day? Trump is deeply entrenched in your heads you can’t help yourselves. You have zilch to brag on Biden about, on his best days his performance is mediocre, and goes downhill from there.

Mediocre is all that is required in a free state. This isn't some banana republic dependent on a cult of personality. That's the beauty of democracy. We don't depend on our representatives. They come and go and the system marches on. No savior required. People who think a savior is needed for a free state apparently don't understand democracy. Their view is basically fascist.

 

[trouble13]

"We" haven't spoken, but the courts, the state and county election officials, the recounts in Maricopa county, the audit in that county, DoJ, FBI and much more have spoken. In other words, every shred of objective evidence has spoken repeatedly and clearly and 100% of that evidence, all of it, every shred of evidence, debunks the 'stolen election' claims.

And the way it works here is Trump and his minions spread a bunch of lies, his followers believe the lies, which generates suspicion, and then the lies that generate suspicion are used to justify nonsense 'audits' like we're discussing in this thread. The bonus is as the "audit" is taking place, the auditors and the head of the senate are pushing ever more lies, on top of the lies they used to start the audit. Or else they're telling us the incompetence across the board is staggering, and to dismiss the entire effort as such. Both of course is likely here.

This "audit" is not a serious attempt to get at any truth. If the state senate were serious, they would not have hired an outfit with exactly ZERO experience auditing an election, and whose procedures as we've seen in this thread are laughable. There is no way for this clown show to come to a useful, believable conclusion. The "auditors" are clearly incompetent. They're learning how to audit elections as they go. That's not what serious people looking for serious answers do. That's what hacks who are looking for an excuse to question the election do, and this is it.

I was a financial statement auditor for a couple of CPA firms. If you're a company and need an "audit" you don't hire Joe and his buddies who are ALL doing their first audit of a company ever, and expect the users of the financials to trust that audit. If a company does that, you can bet the users will KNOW (not suspect) that the audit is a joke and assume the financial statements are completely unreliable and act accordingly and disregard them. That's what WILL happen here to anyone who cares about the result.

And a state looking for serious answers to a serious question doesn't fund a tiny fraction of the cost of the audit, and leave the rest of the funding up to dark money political hacks pushing an agenda we all know they're pushing - the election was stolen from Trump. If the STATE believes an audit is necessary, fund the damn thing with state money so the state has control over the process. Outsourcing it to this bunch of clowns disqualifies the effort from the jump.

The audit won't be the final word before the left has its chance to review it and attempt to discredit kit if the results are not to their liking. So if the audit results are false it will be exposed.

To your 2nd point I mostly agree with you that I think it's very important for the Senate to use a reputable audit team. The Mueller team suffered the same problem. People on the right were ready to dismiss the investigations finding before it was completed because of all the anti-trump bias on that team. I don't think the Senate is doing themselves any favors by hiring partisans to do this audit even if they are doing a professional evaluation.

 

[SCrider]

They are free to object all they like. What they are trying to do that I object to is to prejudge the outcome and use their prejudice as a justification to demand that the audit is stopped before it reaches its conclusion.

At the current rate this audit will never reach a conclusion. Of course that is actually fine with you Trumpets because you can always say there still is doubt, which is a win for trumpets

 

[trouble13]

The Maricopa County Supervisors decided not to appeal the Judge's decision last February.

After meeting with their attorneys, the supervisors decided to not appeal the ruling." Link

The Judge and Supervisors were likely unaware of that section in the Civil Rights Act of 1960.

DOJ: Arizona recount could violate civil rights laws

The Department of Justice on Wednesday issued a warning regarding the Arizona audit of 2020 election ballots in Maricopa County, saying it could be violating both federal voting and civil rights laws, CNN

thehill.com

Ok well some left wing group is raising the possibility that the judge made the wrong ruling. It either needs to be challenged or move on. They had their chance and declined to take it.

 

[trouble13]

There is no "prejudice" in calling this audit what it so clearly is - a sad joke.

And the only prejudging of the outcome I see is to disregard it in its entirety, no matter the conclusions. Something produced by incompetents isn't worth reading.

I think your personal bias is blinding your perspective

 

[Brack]

Does you thinking ever iescape its partisan dungeon?

LOL, sure he did. And yet Dems took major hits elsewhere down the ballot. You couldn’t sell a fiction book with that as plot.

Nearly all of the House seats during the 2020 election that flipped from Democrat to Republican were from non-battleground states. The Democrats didn’t lose any House seats in the battleground states of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Arizona here. The Democrats actually gained a House seat in the battleground state of Georgia. Link

 

[mike2810]

You and I view the audit differently. I am uncomfortable with how the election was conducted. I support taking a closer look at the entire election.

what were you uncomfortable about how the election was conducted in Arizona?

How many audits and reviews of the AZ election will satisfy you? This is the third audit in Maricopa County election. The last one done before Cyber Ninjas was done with certified election auditors. You can read the findings on the Maricopa County web site. (I am tired of posting the same links).

I know these questions have been asked before.

 

[Rexedgar]

The audit won't be the final word before the left has its chance to review it and attempt to discredit kit if the results are not to their liking. So if the audit results are false it will be exposed.

To your 2nd point I mostly agree with you that I think it's very important for the Senate to use a reputable audit team. The Mueller team suffered the same problem. People on the right were ready to dismiss the investigations finding before it was completed because of all the anti-trump bias on that team. I don't think the Senate is doing themselves any favors by hiring partisans to do this audit even if they are doing a professional evaluation.

The bolded is progress........

 

[SCrider]

Ok well some left wing group is raising the possibility that the judge made the wrong ruling. It either needs to be challenged or move on. They had their chance and declined to take it.

Your to dense to realize AZ is run by republicans this was not some lefty group fighting with the fake audit it was republicans

 

[SCrider]

I think your personal bias is blinding your perspective

Pot kettle and all that

 

[mike2810]

The bolded is progress........

The operative word in the post you quoted is "IF" they are doing a professional evaluation.

My take , Cyber Ninjas and their sub contractors are far from doing a professional evaluation.