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Trump’s “Christian” supporters do not follow a central message of Jesus

Keeps him from being a jerk.

You think Jesus just likes brown-nosing jerks?


No. Jesus is, and he is very clear. Notice how there is nothing in here about who grovels before him the most, but what they do for the poor:

"31 When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me."

So what does he say he will do for heartless groveling brown-nosers?

"41 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
-Matthew 25: 31-46

Well, the one who deny's Jesus Christ but gives to the poor, has not only lost in money, but in salvation as well. His giving his money did nothing for him before God.

Apparently you haven't been paying attention. (Matt. 25:31-46) is not to the Church. It is the judgement of the nations after Christ returns. (Matt. 25:31), which you conviently left out.

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Well, the one who deny's Jesus Christ but gives to the poor, has not only lost in money, but in salvation as well. His giving his money did nothing for him before God.

Apparently you haven't been paying attention. (Matt. 25:31-46) is not to the Church. It is the judgement of the nations after Christ returns. (Matt. 25:31), which you conviently left out.

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So what happens to the guy who is a jerk to the weak and poor, and tells them F off - and then thinks groveling and brown nosing alone will be good enough to get him in to heaven? Seems like a pretty cheap game. Is that what you think of Jesus?
 
It is so simple……what you actually believe is your interpretation of the Bible…..which is totally literal……you are ‘leaning into your own limited understanding’…..just not comprehending the parables, for example, which the Bible spoke of. You deny the spiritual aspect in favor of the literal and by doing so you commit the one unforgivable sin. The obvious ‘errors’ of a literal reading of the Bible are there for your benefit…..and that is to seek spiritual knowledge which trumps literal knowledge. Tell us again why Adam, the ‘first’ man was created only 6,000 years ago when all credible evidence refutes that by thousands of years.

What is simple is that you refuse to answer my questions. Is Jesus sitting bodily as a Man at the Right hand of God in Heaven now, or not. (Heb. 1:3)

I don't deny the spiritual. Just because I desagree with you doesn't mean I deny the spiritual. I deny your use of the spiritual as a way to make Scripture say whatever you want...because your interpretatin is so 'spiritual'.

I didn't say Adam was created only 6000 years ago.

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Well, the one who deny's Jesus Christ but gives to the poor, has not only lost in money, but in salvation as well. His giving his money did nothing for him before God.

Apparently you haven't been paying attention. (Matt. 25:31-46) is not to the Church. It is the judgement of the nations after Christ returns. (Matt. 25:31), which you conviently left out.

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Matt. 25:31-46

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So what happens to the guy who is a jerk to the weak and poor, and tells them F off - and then thinks groveling and brown nosing alone will be good enough to get him in to heaven? Seems like a pretty cheap game. Is that what you think of Jesus?

I don't know. Goveling and brown nosing are not a way into heaven. Just like giving to the poor doesn't get you into heaven.

No, I think Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour. That 2nd Person of the Trinity Who became a Man to redeem those that are of God. He died for our sins, was raised from the dead, and now sits in Heaven as the Man Jesus Christ at the right hand of God the Father.

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The litmus test for believers: Mark 16:17-18…..please share your home videos……:)
So, you cast out devils, heal the sick, and handle snakes...got it... :giggle:

Mark 16:17-18, along with the rest of the longer ending of Mark (verses 9-20), are widely believed by scholars to be additions to the original text of the Gospel of Mark. Early and reliable Greek manuscripts, such as Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus, do not contain these verses.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

Early Manuscript Evidence:
The two oldest complete Greek manuscripts of Mark, Codex Sinaiticus (ℵ) and Codex Vaticanus (B), both from the 4th century, end at Mark 16:8. They do not include the longer ending (verses 9-20).

Other Early Witnesses:
Several other early versions and translations of the Gospel of Mark also lack the longer ending.

Scholarly Consensus:
The vast majority of modern scholars agree that verses 9-20 were added later, likely in the second century.

Possible Reasons for Addition:
The abrupt ending at verse 8, where the women flee the empty tomb and say nothing to anyone, may have seemed incomplete to some early Christians. The longer ending may have been created to provide a more conventional and satisfying conclusion, possibly influenced by the resurrection appearances in the other Gospels.

Alternative Endings:
Some manuscripts contain a shorter ending (a few verses) after verse 8, but this shorter ending is also believed to be a later addition.

Mark's Unique Style:
The language and style of the longer ending differ somewhat from the rest of Mark's Gospel, further supporting the idea that it was not part of the original text.

Inclusion in Many Bibles:
Despite scholarly consensus, the longer ending is included in most modern Bibles, often with notes indicating its disputed status, due to its presence in the majority of later manuscripts and its familiarity to readers of the King James Version.
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What is simple is that you refuse to answer my questions. Is Jesus sitting bodily as a Man at the Right hand of God in Heaven now, or not. (Heb. 1:3)

No…..Jesus is the radiance or brightness of God….exact representation of God’s being….and since God is Spirit…not flesh….a human body cannot be a representation of God…..you must think ‘light of the world’….once again spiritual not physical…..just trying to shine some light on this….if you think Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God do you actually think that you will actually then see God ?
 
I didn't say Adam was created only 6000 years ago.

You will if you bother to look at the genealogy of the Bible that is quite precise…..one more thing for you to learn…..
 
What is simple is that you refuse to answer my questions. Is Jesus sitting bodily as a Man at the Right hand of God in Heaven now, or not. (Heb. 1:3)
Good scripture...the one of many that wipes out the trinity doctrine...
I didn't say Adam was created only 6000 years ago.
According to Biblical chronology it is true...
 
So, you cast out devils, heal the sick, and handle snakes...got it... :giggle:

Mark 16:17-18, along with the rest of the longer ending of Mark (verses 9-20), are widely believed by scholars to be additions to the original text of the Gospel of Mark. Early and reliable Greek manuscripts, such as Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus, do not contain these verses.


Inclusion in Many Bibles:
Despite scholarly consensus, the longer ending is included in most modern Bibles, often with notes indicating its disputed status, due to its presence in the majority of later manuscripts and its familiarity to readers of the King James Version.
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A dilemma of sorts……now we consider scholars that can add or subtract scripture…..actually I think of generations of our forefathers that accepted this as God’s word and wonder if it brought spiritual harm to them…..? Forgiveness for ignorance I would guess…..
 
James 2:26 states, "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.“
Charity is what an individual gives to others from what he possesses of his own free will. Charity is not taking from someone else to then spread to others. That is stealing.
 
Charity is what an individual gives to others from what he possesses of his own free will. Charity is not taking from someone else to then spread to others. That is stealing.

I was talking to someone who said charity doesn’t matter.

We can talk about the efficacy of private charity versus formal Social safety nets in creating a more just and prosperous society separately if you wish. Let me know.
 
I was talking to someone who said charity doesn’t matter.

We can talk about the efficacy of private charity versus formal Social safety nets in creating a more just and prosperous society separately if you wish. Let me know.
I believe that social security is a good idea, but the reality is that as one works both the worker and the business are contributing to Social Security. If people invest their money it will also be there when retirement arrives. I have no problem with pensions if they are set up wisely.
 
I believe that social security is a good idea, but the reality is that as one works both the worker and the business are contributing to Social Security. If people invest their money it will also be there when retirement arrives. I have no problem with pensions if they are set up wisely.

These are details. We can get into the pros and cons and various considerations. Reagan thought Social Security was communism.

The reality is that poverty is not just a moral failure, and things don’t always just work out for the best if left alone and free. Governments can play a vital and critical role in creating more just, secure, and prosperous societies. How much they intervene depends on the particular circumstances at hand. There are no easy formulas, simple answers, short slogans, or easy ideologies.
 
I believe that social security is a good idea, but the reality is that as one works both the worker and the business are contributing to Social Security. If people invest their money it will also be there when retirement arrives. I have no problem with pensions if they are set up wisely.

The reality has always been that we are dependent on the current work force to pay into the system after our retirement. With the attempt to remove all of the undocumented it will be a hard hit on Social Security. There is reason to believe that it will be very difficult to replace the undocumented….and if so it might come at a steep inflationary cost…
 
No…..Jesus is the radiance or brightness of God….exact representation of God’s being….and since God is Spirit…not flesh….a human body cannot be a representation of God…..you must think ‘light of the world’….once again spiritual not physical…..just trying to shine some light on this….if you think Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God do you actually think that you will actually then see God ?

(Hebrews 1:3) "...when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

(Hebrews 2:14), " Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same...."

(Hebrews 10:5) "Wherefore when he cometh intothe world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared for me."

And the Resurrected Christ said, (John 20:27) "Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finer, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thurst it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing."

(Acts 1:9-11) "...Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

(Acts 7:56) " And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God."

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You will if you bother to look at the genealogy of the Bible that is quite precise…..one more thing for you to learn…..

You said to me, in post #(624) to tell you again how Adam was created 6000 years ago? But I never told you that the first time, much less again. Now you claim that the genealogy in the Bible is precise.

Which, sounds to me, like you are confessing that you don't believe the Bible. Which, I agree you don't.

But, show me the genalogy of Adam and how it proves the earth is 6000 years old?

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Nah it's clear you just believe what you want. The Bible says people who don't care about the poor and think they will get in to heaven just by being brown nosers are going to a very bad place.

Naw, it's clear you don't know the Scripture, as I have showed. Thus concerning the Christian, you don't know what you're talking about. The Bible says no such thing.

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Good scripture...the one of many that wipes out the trinity doctrine...

According to Biblical chronology it is true...

How does it wipe out the Trinity doctrine?

Well, show me in the Bible that it is true?

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Naw, it's clear you don't know the Scripture, as I have showed. Thus concerning the Christian, you don't know what you're talking about. The Bible says no such thing.

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You call yourself Christian- but don't seem to know the first thing about it. You seem to have the Fox News Version. I would recommend the Biblical version instead.

Not sure how you would interpret this any other way than what it plainly says:

"What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."
-James 2:14-26
 
You said to me, in post #(624) to tell you again how Adam was created 6000 years ago? But I never told you that the first time, much less again. Now you claim that the genealogy in the Bible is precise.

Which, sounds to me, like you are confessing that you don't believe the Bible. Which, I agree you don't.

But, show me the genalogy of Adam and how it proves the earth is 6000 years old?

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Clearly you are an atheist…..it is OK…..Freedom for all
 
How does it wipe out the Trinity doctrine?

Well, show me in the Bible that it is true?

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Think...keep in mind this is not speaking of the lowly Jesus who lived on earth but this was after Jesus' return to heaven...after God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name...he was still at God's right hand...

"he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high" Hebrews 1:3

" has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:2


"will be seated at the powerful right hand of God.” Matthew 22:69

"caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand," Acts 7:55

"who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us" Romans 8:34

"he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places," Ephesians 1:20

"where the Christ is seated at the right hand of God" Colossians 3:1

"sat down at the right hand of God" Hebrews 10:12

The Right Hand. The right hand was considered to be of great importance, symbolically. Joseph was displeased when Jacob crossed his hands in order to lay his right hand on Ephraim, Joseph’s younger son. But Jacob did this purposely, to give Ephraim the superior blessing. (Ge 48:13-20) To be on the right hand of a ruler was to have the most important position, next to the ruler himself (Ps 110:1; Ac 7:55, 56; Ro 8:34; 1Pe 3:22), or a position in his favor. (Mt 25:33) Jesus is spoken of in the vision of Revelation as having the seven stars of the seven congregations in his right hand. That is, all these bodies of elders have his favor and are under his full control, power, and direction.—Re 1:16, 20; 2:1.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001854
 
Think...keep in mind this is not speaking of the lowly Jesus who lived on earth but this was after Jesus' return to heaven...after God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name...he was still at God's right hand...

"he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high" Hebrews 1:3

" has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:2


"will be seated at the powerful right hand of God.” Matthew 22:69

"caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand," Acts 7:55

"who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us" Romans 8:34

"he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places," Ephesians 1:20

"where the Christ is seated at the right hand of God" Colossians 3:1

"sat down at the right hand of God" Hebrews 10:12

The Right Hand. The right hand was considered to be of great importance, symbolically. Joseph was displeased when Jacob crossed his hands in order to lay his right hand on Ephraim, Joseph’s younger son. But Jacob did this purposely, to give Ephraim the superior blessing. (Ge 48:13-20) To be on the right hand of a ruler was to have the most important position, next to the ruler himself (Ps 110:1; Ac 7:55, 56; Ro 8:34; 1Pe 3:22), or a position in his favor. (Mt 25:33) Jesus is spoken of in the vision of Revelation as having the seven stars of the seven congregations in his right hand. That is, all these bodies of elders have his favor and are under his full control, power, and direction.—Re 1:16, 20; 2:1.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001854
Interesting.

Without a doubt, this is the first time I've ever seen or heard of any Christian of any Christian group refer to Jesus Christ as being a "lowly" Son of God in any context , who according to biblical scripture was sent to "earth" to share God's truth and then subsequently and willingly give his life to save Jehovah's human creations. from his/her "earthly" sins.
 
You call yourself Christian- but don't seem to know the first thing about it. You seem to have the Fox News Version. I would recommend the Biblical version instead.

Not sure how you would interpret this any other way than what it plainly says:

"What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."
-James 2:14-26

I believe (James 2:14-26), and what it plainly says. Why shouldn't I?

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Think...keep in mind this is not speaking of the lowly Jesus who lived on earth but this was after Jesus' return to heaven...after God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name...he was still at God's right hand...

"he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high" Hebrews 1:3

" has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:2


"will be seated at the powerful right hand of God.” Matthew 22:69

"caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand," Acts 7:55

"who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us" Romans 8:34

"he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places," Ephesians 1:20

"where the Christ is seated at the right hand of God" Colossians 3:1

"sat down at the right hand of God" Hebrews 10:12

The Right Hand. The right hand was considered to be of great importance, symbolically. Joseph was displeased when Jacob crossed his hands in order to lay his right hand on Ephraim, Joseph’s younger son. But Jacob did this purposely, to give Ephraim the superior blessing. (Ge 48:13-20) To be on the right hand of a ruler was to have the most important position, next to the ruler himself (Ps 110:1; Ac 7:55, 56; Ro 8:34; 1Pe 3:22), or a position in his favor. (Mt 25:33) Jesus is spoken of in the vision of Revelation as having the seven stars of the seven congregations in his right hand. That is, all these bodies of elders have his favor and are under his full control, power, and direction.—Re 1:16, 20; 2:1.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001854

The point of these verses is to show that the Man Jesus Christ sits at the right hand of God in Heaven. And He is the same Man who walked this earth, and was resurrected. Though His body is now glorified, it is the same body that was resurrected. He literally sits there, just like he literally stood up to receive Stephen. (Acts 7:55) Thus the physical and spiritual are represented.

None of which takes away from the doctrine of the Trinity.

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