• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Transgender Teacher Catches Parents by Surprise

Bodhisattva said:
while they probably pose little threat to people (at least compared with average heteros) they are most assuredly "nutjobs".





Do you have children?




Since they are certainly "nutjobs"... do you think that they are qualified to make such an assessment?
Click to expand...


you do nothing but show your ignorance when labelling transgenders as 'nutjobs'. i mean, are you seriously that shallow that you cant accept that people are different in ways that most people can't understand and dont want to even try.
and no i dont have children, however i have worked with children and ive studied childrens psychology. and alot of adults do underestimate they're intelligence in respect to their ability to grasp concepts. im not saying parents should go about and find things to expose they're children to. im saying that when a situation as such arises, they shouldn't be kept in the dark, especially when it comes to different kinds of people. when a child sees their parent acting disgusted and calling them names or whatever, they stays with them and they pick up that attitude. for all you know your kid could be a transgender or gay or lesbian and they shouldnt be made to feel ashamed just because society is shallow. being gay or lesbian or a transgender is nothing to be ashamed of. thats the point i was making.
 
Anima said:
Not to mention that leaving your home, your career and your friends to up sticks and try and settle in a completely new place while dealing with your sex transition hardly sounds conductive to "peace". Sounds more conductive to "get the scary she-male out of here! Think of the childrenz!1!" :roll:
Click to expand...

FWIW, leaving your home, career, and friends is not what I was suggesting. Unless you were in a really remote area I wouldn't think it should have to come to that.

And my suggestion wasn't about the peace of the TS it was about not making children or there parents have to deal with the situation.

Would I like to see the TS have a nice, peaceful life? Sure. I don't see how causing an uproar contributes positively to that outcome.
 
1069 said:
I just don't see that it's necessary for bigotry to "win" (even if it's a dual win).
When irrational prejudice prevails, we all lose, in the long run.
Click to expand...

That's the knee-jerk reaction I'm talking about. Why does a parent getting a heads up = bigotry?

I hate to "what if" a situation, but c'mon can't you see a scenario where it really might be beneficial to a kid to not have to deal with this? And if it only helped one child wouldn't that still be worth it?


(cue the "Think of the childrenz!1!" schtick...) :(
 
Anima said:
It could be worse. These kids could be being taught by someone with bigoted attitudes who makes judgements on the lives of people they know nothing about. Compared to that, I say bring on the transexual teachers.
Click to expand...

Certainly... I would also like Hitler to raise my little blond haired daughters instead of a child rapist that will keep them tied up in the basement cellar for tens years before he eats them too... so what is your point? To make an illogical analogy based off of emotion? Yep... ;)

We are not comparing bigoted heteros or anything like that to non-bigoted trans... are we?

That is an illogical analogy.

We are talking about average heteros versus average Trans with all other factors being equal.
 
Writer2Be said:
you do nothing but show your ignorance when labelling transgenders as 'nutjobs'.
Click to expand...

Ad Hom? Interesting... if that is all you have, then this is gonna be over really fast.
Would "Mentally Handicapped" suit your sensitivities better then?


i mean, are you seriously that shallow that you cant accept that people are different in ways that most people can't understand and dont want to even try.
Click to expand...

Another Ad Hom? Okee Dokee...

Who says that I don't accept that people are different?
Certainly not me, and not only that, I have never even alluded to that either... ;)



and no i dont have children, however i have worked with children and ive studied childrens psychology. and alot of adults do underestimate they're intelligence in respect to their ability to grasp concepts.
Click to expand...

Wonderful... and a lot overestimate them too.



im not saying parents should go about and find things to expose they're children to. im saying that when a situation as such arises, they shouldn't be kept in the dark,
Click to expand...

Who wants to keep kids in the dark?


especially when it comes to different kinds of people.
Click to expand...

Not espeically then.. but always. Surely you see your error in logic here?


when a child sees their parent acting disgusted and calling them names or whatever, they stays with them and they pick up that attitude.
Click to expand...

Where is this coming from... we are talking about whether or not the teacher should have notified the parents prior to just showing up.
Stay on track.



for all you know your kid could be a transgender or gay or lesbian and they shouldnt be made to feel ashamed just because society is shallow.
Click to expand...

Who is going to make them feel ashamed? Where do you get this stuff?


being gay or lesbian or a transgender is nothing to be ashamed of. thats the point i was making.
Click to expand...

Who said that it is? Do you think that you are enlightening me to these basic common sense concepts or something?

I am quite confident that I know more gay,lesbian, and transgendered people, and have more as friends.. than you have or ever will meet in your life...

If not, then it isn't far off, living the places that I have lived and working in the places that I have worked...

Get over yourself. Shallow... :lol:

Yeah... whatever.
 
Would "Mentally Handicapped" suit your sensitivities better then?
Click to expand...

There is only one mental health professional here, and he claims they are not mentally handicapped, nor mentally ill.
The APA agrees.
 
1069 said:
There is only one mental health professional here, and he claims they are not mentally handicapped, nor mentally ill.
The APA agrees.
Click to expand...

Few psychologists have experience working with transgender clients, a population that rarely seeks treatment and, when they do, often has higher than average rates of depression, suicide and self-mutilation, said experts at an APA 2007 Annual Convention session.

Monitor on Psychology: The special challenges of counseling transgender clients

That sounds like they have serious issues to me, and also it is noted that few psychologists have experience working with transgender clients, since it says that, and so I wonder how much more relevant the APA's opinion is than mine?



Is being transgender a mental disorder?

A psychological condition is considered a mental disorder only if it causes distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their transgender feelings and traits to be distressing or disabling, which implies that being transgender does not constitute a mental disorder per se.

Answers to Your Questions About Transgender Individuals and Gender Identity


Per se? ;)

So, a delusional person that thinks that he can fly is not distressed about jumping off of a roof, apparently they are not mentally ill either then.



What kinds of mental health problems do transgender people face?

Transgender people experience the same kinds of mental health problems that nontransgender people do. However, the stigma, discrimination, and internal conflict that many transgender people experience may place them at increased risk for certain mental health problems. Discrimination, lack of social support, and inadequate access to care can exacerbate mental health problems in transgender people, while support from peers, family, and helping professionals may act as protective factors.

Answers to Your Questions About Transgender Individuals and Gender Identity



Sounds like they are perfectly normal and well adjusted to me...
I don't dislike, nor do I disapprove of transgendered people... I have known a few.
I simply think that they are mentally disturbed, to a degree... and more so than that of average people.
Just being logical...
 
Of course transgendered people have a mental disorder.

Anyone can see they are not normal.
 
Dawud said:
Of course transgendered people have a mental disorder.

Anyone can see they are not normal.
Click to expand...

"Disorder" is an objective term, for which objective criteria exist.
"Normal" is a subjective term, which has no concrete meaning, ie it means something different to everyone.
 
1069 said:
"Disorder" is an objective term, for which objective criteria exist.
"Normal" is a subjective term, which has no concrete meaning, ie it means something different to everyone.
Click to expand...
Either way, they are totally abnormal.
 
None of the parents business.

Half my teachers may have had 852 sex partners of both and questionable genders, and it was irrelevant then, and would be if I learned this information now. Well, it would have been excting and enlightening to me had I known it then, but OK we'll leave it at that. What sort of underwear they have on, what their junk looks like, that's their business. If they like facial hair or long fingernails, their business, irrelevant.

You may be a complete idiot in your personal life. You may believe in gods and godesses, and I don't really have a right to know that. If I did know, and had a choice, I would not intentionally put my child in a classroom with a teacher that was so ignorant as to believe in gods and godesses and other religious mythology.

If you want to function as a society you must learn what is and is not a good freedom, what is and is not good to keep private, etc. If you don't, then you'll polarize us and we'll go to war against one another, because that's what humans do. I know a strong conservative component in this country wants to fight a bloody civil war in God's name, but some of us believe peace and prosperity is a more interesting goal.

-Mach
 
Last edited:
Dawud said:
Either way, they are totally abnormal.
Click to expand...

So is having a 220 IQ. All that means is that it's statistically a minority.

Are you suggesting that minorities be discriminated against on the basis of their being a minority? That's unethical.

America was founded on bucking the cultural norms, and defying authority, why such hatred towards those who continue that tradition?

-Mach
 
Mach said:
So is having a 220 IQ. All that means is that it's statistically a minority.

Are you suggesting that minorities be discriminated against on the basis of their being a minority? That's unethical.

America was founded on bucking the cultural norms, and defying authority, why such hatred towards those who continue that tradition?

-Mach
Click to expand...

Transgender is just ridiculous. There's nothing really derogatory about it, it's just silly.
 
StoneCrow said:
Transgender is just ridiculous. There's nothing really derogatory about it, it's just silly.
Click to expand...

Perhaps "silly" is not the right word for something that causes so much mental turmooil that it makes people feel the need to chop their giblets up...
 
Tucker Case said:
Perhaps "silly" is not the right word for something that causes so much mental turmooil that it makes people feel the need to chop their giblets up...
Click to expand...

Prehaps "Giddy" is more appropriate here? I hear sex changes tickle...
 
Tucker Case said:
Perhaps "silly" is not the right word for something that causes so much mental turmooil that it makes people feel the need to chop their giblets up...
Click to expand...

That makes it more silly, not less.
 
Tucker Case said:
No that makes it crazy. "Silly" is rubbing one's nuts on a watermelon for luck. Crazy is chopping them up because you feel bad about their shape.
Click to expand...

I'm not coming to your house for a summer cookout. :shock:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom