Transgender Teacher Catches Parents by Surprise

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Your inability to properly comprehend words has been duly noted...oh wait...we already knew that.



Where have I advocated anything in opposition to this? I believe the transgendered are deserving of compassion and tolerance the same as anyone else who suffers from a mental disorder, however, tolerance should not extend so far as to condone their actions to children or to treat their behavior as a legitimate way to resolve one's mental issues. I'm open-minded but no so open-minded that my brains fall out.



So, let me get this straight. An interesting discussion compels me to make a poll about transgendered individuals which, in your mind, validates 1069's presumption that I'm threatened by transgendered individuals? Sorry but I fail to see the logic behind this thought-process, or lack thereof. I'm not threatened by transexuals, I just feel they are mentally unstable and should be viewed accordingly. Their behavior is not legitimate and it is not healthy.

Man, I have lost some serious respect for you.

 

[Ethereal]

Man, I have lost some serious respect for you.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

 

[talloulou]

I'm sorry you feel that way.

Show her your pic again. She's easy like that. She's only good at staying mad for a day or so. :mrgreen:

 

[Bodi]

The message that's coming though in your posts, at least to me, is that you feel personally threatened by transgendered people.
Why is that?
Do you think that if we treat the transgendered with tolerance and compassion, this will somehow have an adverse effect on your life?

Not that it has happened to me in this thread, but I have been labeled that way by you, rivrat and others before... and why?
There is a supreme difference between being threatened and being realistic.

Nothing was being said about treating them intolerantly...
Much has been said about seeing them as abnormal and/or mentally ****ed up.

What is wrong with that opinion?

By some peoples logic, we could deduce that all those that say that Stalin was an oppressive and mentally disturbed jerk are simply threatened by "real men" that secure their nation against potential enemies, or something like that...

I know a few transgenders and literally hundreds of gays personally, and I think that they are some of the sweetest and best people around. I trust my kids to just about all of them for a time, but I also think that they are screwed up... not gays in general, but certainly some of them. Guess what, many many MANY heteros are screwed up too.

A mental case is a mental case be they white, black or gray... straight, gay or trans.


That being said, proportionally, I think that trans hold a higher percentage of those labeled "screwed up" in the head.

Now... how does that indicate in any way, shape or form that I am threatened by them, or afraid of giving them equal treatment under laws? Anybody for that matter... Ethereal even.

 

[Felicity]

Show her your pic again. She's easy like that. She's only good at staying mad for a day or so. :mrgreen:

Unless you point out she's wacko over Obama...then you are unforgivable.:2wave:

 

[Writer2Be]

I would think most parents would have a problem with a whack job teaching their children.Would you want a guy who thinks he is a duck teaching your kids?Anyone who tries to be a gender they are not is a nut job,its no different than someone trying to be a duck,cow or something else they are not.Its a testament to the poor hiring practices of the school,what next will the hire a sex offender or a rapist or some whacko from PETA? If I was those parents I would have transferred the children to another school,demanded that those who allowed the nonsense to go on to be fired. Because if the school seems to think it is okay to hire nutjobs then who knows what else they will hire.

i think this is an unbelievably ignorant statement. people who are transgenders should in no way automatically be grouped with sex offenders or rapists, they are entirely unrelated. transgenders arent 'nutjobs' they are PEOPLE and they deserve to the same rights to privacy (medical history) and all other rights just like the rest of us. if she wanted to be a man, so what? that doesnt make HIM a bad person or a bad teacher or someone that should be stigmatized by societies narrow norms. you have no idea how difficult of a decision that must have been and you should feel lucky enough to not have to make such a decision.

 

[Writer2Be]

You make a really good point to. If this person really wanted a new start he or she (I'm not trying to be rude or disrespectful, I really don't know which to use) would have got transferred to a different school or district. This does sound a lot like trying to make a very public point.

but is being a transgender something to be ashamed of?

 

[Writer2Be]

I think people underestimate children’s intelligence. Yeah, it would be confusing to a child at first because they haven’t been exposed to it. However, young children are still unbiased and wouldn’t have as difficult a time grasping these concepts as their parents who are already set in their ways. Children should be encouraged to accept ALL forms of people and if they were then this wouldn’t be such a big deal. If you look at northern Europe, they are so open and accepting. Why? Because they aren’t kept in the dark from such things when they arise. People who try and shield they’re children from such issues merely install fear of people who don’t fit into this idea of ‘normal’ that society presses upon us. Those people are bloody ignorant and should go get educated.

 

[Bodi]

i think this is an unbelievably ignorant statement. people who are transgenders should in no way automatically be grouped with sex offenders or rapists, they are entirely unrelated. transgenders arent 'nutjobs' they are PEOPLE and they deserve to the same rights to privacy (medical history) and all other rights just like the rest of us. if she wanted to be a man, so what? that doesnt make HIM a bad person or a bad teacher or someone that should be stigmatized by societies narrow norms. you have no idea how difficult of a decision that must have been and you should feel lucky enough to not have to make such a decision.

while they probably pose little threat to people (at least compared with average heteros) they are most assuredly "nutjobs".

I think people underestimate children’s intelligence. Yeah, it would be confusing to a child at first because they haven’t been exposed to it. However, young children are still unbiased and wouldn’t have as difficult a time grasping these concepts as their parents who are already set in their ways. Children should be encouraged to accept ALL forms of people and if they were then this wouldn’t be such a big deal. If you look at northern Europe, they are so open and accepting. Why? Because they aren’t kept in the dark from such things when they arise. People who try and shield they’re children from such issues merely install fear of people who don’t fit into this idea of ‘normal’ that society presses upon us. Those people are bloody ignorant and should go get educated.

Do you have children?

but is being a transgender something to be ashamed of?

Since they are certainly "nutjobs"... do you think that they are qualified to make such an assessment?

 

[Anima]

As long as a teacher inspires (or at least educates) the kids in their charge, who cares?

 

[Anima]

while they probably pose little threat to people (at least compared with average heteros) they are most assuredly "nutjobs".





Do you have children?




Since they are certainly "nutjobs"... do you think that they are qualified to make such an assessment?

It could be worse. These kids could be being taught by someone with bigoted attitudes who makes judgements on the lives of people they know nothing about. Compared to that, I say bring on the transexual teachers.

 

[Kayleigh Katz]

but is being a transgender something to be ashamed of?

I don't recall saying that.

We all have rights but I think our rights end or should be seriously curtailed when they affect others. I don't have a problem with transexuals. They can be as proud or ashamed of themselves as they want to be, thats up to them. My point, and the one many others are making, is that the parents, who are charged with bringing up children into adulthood, weren't given a choice. In schools parents are allowed, at least in some areas, to opt their kids out of certain things that they find objectionable. I don't think it's right to hold someone responsible for something and then do things that are against the way they would have done things.

I also mentioned pages back that SRS usually requires at least 2 years as living as the other gender. No reputable doctor will do the surgery if the patient hasn't undergone serious therapy and hormone treatment first If this teacher was just starting the living as the other sex thing then I'm not sure all the medical privacy arguments still hold water. Maybe they do, I'm just saying that what the article presented is vague on those facts and people have been arguing them as if they knew something the article didn't say.

 

[1069]

In schools parents are allowed, at least in some areas, to opt their kids out of certain things that they find objectionable.

I don't know that parents have the right to find individuals objectionable, however, in the same way that they find *things* objectionable.
Not if said individuals meet all the criteria to be public school teachers in the district.

What's next? Parents objecting to atheist or Muslim teachers? Black or hispanic teachers?

 

[Kayleigh Katz]

I don't know that parents have the right to find individuals objectionable, however, in the same way that they find *things* objectionable.
Not if said individuals meet all the criteria to be public school teachers in the district.

What's next? Parents objecting to atheist or Muslim teachers? Black or hispanic teachers?

I don't know that they do either, but that's the point that's being raised.

I think a parent that enrolled there kid in a religious school would have the right to be upset if there kid was being taught by someone not of the faith they signed them up for. So that idea isn't that far fetched.

What if a school got someone like Howard Zinn as a history teacher? Would parents have a right to be informed that there childs teacher is known for his radical politics? Some parents would probably love to have Zinn teach there kids, but many wouldn't.

Or what about when a school wants to brag about the staff to get more kids enrolled? Should that be allowed? If they can trumpet the good but not the bad, wat does that say about our society and what we value?

Personally, I think the public school system is broken and would never enroll a child of mine in it. If/when I do put my kids in a private school, I would want to know as much about the people that would be instructing and influencing my child as possible.

 

[ADK_Forever]

I don't know that parents have the right to find individuals objectionable, however, in the same way that they find *things* objectionable.
Not if said individuals meet all the criteria to be public school teachers in the district.

What's next? Parents objecting to atheist or Muslim teachers? Black or hispanic teachers?

Seems that's the direction they want to go. What business is it of theirs what teacher's sexual orientation is, as long as it's legal? None!

The sooner we get those neo-cons out of office and fewer in number in SCOTUS the better off we'll all be.

 

[Felicity]

What's next? Parents objecting to atheist or Muslim teachers? Black or hispanic teachers?

Naw...Just the Christian ones.

 

[Kayleigh Katz]

What business is it of theirs what teacher's sexual orientation is, as long as it's legal? None!

I don't think its about sexual orientation as much as it is a teacher changing genders in front of the kids.

This is why I said if the teacher had changed schools it wouldn't beany issue for me. No one would have to explain anything to a kid because no kid would have known the teacher as the former gender.

I think both the liberal and conservative take on this is a little too knee-jerk for my taste. I think everyone could win here if anyone was willing to work with anyone else. Oh well.

 

[Felicity]

.. it wouldn't beany issue for me. ....
I think .........this is a little too knee-jerk for my taste.

.....:mrgreen:........:2razz:

 

[Writer2Be]

I don't recall saying that.

We all have rights but I think our rights end or should be seriously curtailed when they affect others. I don't have a problem with transexuals. They can be as proud or ashamed of themselves as they want to be, thats up to them. My point, and the one many others are making, is that the parents, who are charged with bringing up children into adulthood, weren't given a choice. In schools parents are allowed, at least in some areas, to opt their kids out of certain things that they find objectionable. I don't think it's right to hold someone responsible for something and then do things that are against the way they would have done things.

I also mentioned pages back that SRS usually requires at least 2 years as living as the other gender. No reputable doctor will do the surgery if the patient hasn't undergone serious therapy and hormone treatment first If this teacher was just starting the living as the other sex thing then I'm not sure all the medical privacy arguments still hold water. Maybe they do, I'm just saying that what the article presented is vague on those facts and people have been arguing them as if they knew something the article didn't say.

the quote that i had quoted you in, you had said that they should've transferred if they wanted to have a fresh start as the opposite sex. and i think that by saying that the implication was that being a transgendered is something to be ashamed of. i mean, moving away so that the community wont know, that sounds like running away. i mean, you may not have meant it like that, however thats just how it came across to me.

 

[1069]

I think both the liberal and conservative take on this is a little too knee-jerk for my taste. I think everyone could win here if anyone was willing to work with anyone else. Oh well.

I just don't see that it's necessary for bigotry to "win" (even if it's a dual win).
When irrational prejudice prevails, we all lose, in the long run.

 

[Felicity]

Isn't the goal of transitioning peace? It just seems like if the person wants to be comfortable, for themselves, it would make sense to move.

 

[Lightdemon]

Isn't the goal of transitioning peace? It just seems like if the person wants to be comfortable, for themselves, it would make sense to move.

and abandon their former life? Could be better for some, definitely not all.

Some would see this as living in secret, which is still no better than how they were living before, in secret. It may be acceptable for some transsexuals, sure. But I certainly wouldn't say that all transsexuals would feel that way.

 

[Anima]

Naw...Just the Christian ones.

One of my fondest memories from being at school was watching my (Christian) techer give a rhetorical beatdown to his TA, who was part of a sect called the Christian Bretheren who believed women should stay at home, be silent and produce "soldiers for God". My teacher was the kind I'd love to have instructing my kids. So Christian teachers are fine Felicity, ust not those who cloak their misogyny and homophobia in religious dogma and by doing so, cheapen the name of Christianity.

 

[Felicity]

One of my fondest memories from being at school was watching my (Christian) techer give a rhetorical beatdown to his TA, who was part of a sect called the Christian Bretheren who believed women should stay at home, be silent and produce "soldiers for God". My teacher was the kind I'd love to have instructing my kids. So Christian teachers are fine Felicity, ust not those who cloak their misogyny and homophobia in religious dogma and by doing so, cheapen the name of Christianity.

Tell that to the ACLU, please.

 

[Anima]

and abandon their former life? Could be better for some, definitely not all.

Some would see this as living in secret, which is still no better than how they were living before, in secret. It may be acceptable for some transsexuals, sure. But I certainly wouldn't say that all transsexuals would feel that way.

Not to mention that leaving your home, your career and your friends to up sticks and try and settle in a completely new place while dealing with your sex transition hardly sounds conductive to "peace". Sounds more conductive to "get the scary she-male out of here! Think of the childrenz!1!" :roll: