Trans kids on the Republican bills targeting them: 'I'm not a problem to society'

[Unbeknownst]

Real question, does anyone have a solution to this problem? (Anyone but Joko, of course.) Do transgirls just not get to play certain sports? Would they be capable of holding their own in men's teams?

 

[joko104]

My Mrs. was seriously involved in amateur athletics. Starting at age 4 and entering first competitions at age 8. By then, 4 hours of practice a day, every day, no exceptions - with any time missed having to made up fully within 7 days. She won national and international competitions and was considered one of the best in the world. That all in the past.

Like most fields of sports, there were different events. Due to KNOWN (for centuries) inherent physiological and proportionality reasons irrelevant to muscle mass or body chemistry, there were events no male could possible beat her and events she could not win against a genetic male. Accordingly, all events has male-only and female-only competitions. Whether a person is socially/psychologically a man or woman totally irrelevant to anything.

Cut off the man's genitals and put him on estrogen wouldn't change human physiology. If she took massive amounts of testosterone and practiced 12 hours every day would not change FACTS about human anatomy.

The history of the human race is males wanting to beat females. Many males enjoy beating females. Most progressive Democrats demand that males have the human and civil right to beat females - which is what the debate really is about - demanding that genetic males have an inherent right to beat females and that it should be outlaws to have any activities were females can hope to avoid being beaten by females. The logic is no different from those who argue males raping females is a right under natural law - for which progressive logic on "trans(fake)" males would add males have a right to try to beat and rape females as long as females have the right to try to beat and to rape males.

The demand that males have a human and civil right to try to beat females in 100% of all athletic competitions is the logic of rapists and men who physically and verbally abuse women, pure sexist-pig misogyny.

Progressive women who go along with this are either among the stupidest, most gullible and voluntarily dominated women to ever live, are mindlessly submissive to or desirous of male domination - and/or are so clumsy, lazy and probably fat that they'll tote the Democratic Party line since they got nothing to lose anyway. Another reason will be they are envious of and hate those physically fit and sleek high energy women who are exactly opposite themselves.

 

[joko104]

I've literally just linked to 4 scientific peer reviewed studies that says there is an advantage.

Joe Biden ordered Democrats to never accept facts. He didn't look at them. He can't. Besides, pure mental laziness for which other people do all your thinking is easy.

 

[joko104]

Well numerous peer reviewed scientific studies say they do. If you can provide peer reviewed studies which refute that, you are free to post them.

That transwomen who have gone through male puberty retaining some of their male biological strength is not a 'whacky view', it's a common sense view backed up with scientific studies.

None of the disadvantages trans people face in society you mention are relevant to this discussion, which is about sport.

Their bone structure and proportionality does not change 1 iota even if they cut off their genitals and take massive amounts of estrogen.

Most progressives now reduce being a female to the most insulting and trivializing degrees possible - demanding males and females don't even exist, only psychological men and women exist.

 

[joko104]

Real question, does anyone have a solution to this problem? (Anyone but Joko, of course.) Do transgirls just not get to play certain sports? Would they be capable of holding their own in men's teams?

They should have their own events. There are divisions of athletics based upon sex, age, weight, physical disabilities, years of experience, whether or not professional etc.

The goal is not to have athletic opportunities for transgenders (rarely does this have anything to do with transsexuals). It is to trash females and deliver all athletic awards, benefit and money to males - and about men who love to beat women or watch men beating women. To prove males are superior to females at everything. My guess is those tend to be the men who watch a lot of rape porn too.

 

[bomberfox]

So screw the young women in sport. Trans come first. Got it.
Not happening if I can help it.

This is the kind of extremism that causes people to turn on them completely.

Peace

Actually it isnt. Those that were already against trans people are still against trans people. I’m just saying you have an inconsistency in your advocacy..

 

[joko104]

Is there ANYTHING the Democratic Party does not sadistically and sociopathically politicize to destroy it based upon denial of reality, denial of science and their personal racism and sexism? Anything at all?

 

[bomberfox]

Well numerous peer reviewed scientific studies say they do. If you can provide peer reviewed studies which refute that, you are free to post them.

That transwomen who have gone through male puberty retaining some of their male biological strength is not a 'whacky view', it's a common sense view backed up with scientific studies.

None of the disadvantages trans people face in society you mention are relevant to this discussion, which is about sport.

Its a lot more than just sports which is part of why i brought up JK.

 

[bomberfox]

Seems to me the only people we should ever listen to their “lived experience” are anti trans women *shrugs*

 

[Unbeknownst]

They should have their own events. There are divisions of athletics based upon sex, age, weight, physical disabilities, years of experience, whether or not professional etc.

The goal is not to have athletic opportunities for transgenders (rarely does this have anything to do with transsexuals). It is to trash females and deliver all athletic awards, benefit and money to males - and about men who love to beat women or watch men beating women. To prove males are superior to females at everything. My guess is those tend to be the men who watch a lot of rape porn too.

Ignoring the rest of that, yes, them having their own events is one option. A transwomen's division. Would you also want a transmen's division?

The problem with separate divisions is that most schools won't have a sizeable enough transgender population to justify creating one, meaning that the trans kids at those institutions won't be able to play. They'd also need an opposing team, meaning another school in the area would need to have a sizeable enough transgender population to form a team. This is unlikely to happen.

 

[bomberfox]

LOL

silly post dude.

To be fair to girls is not an attempt to keep trans people down.
It is an attempt to treat women fairly. Trans women are not women, they are tans women.
Sorry if the truth hurts.

You have this all backwards, the reason it is not an issue in men's sport, even though they break the no steroid rules is that born male are physically superior to born female.
Hence it is only an issue in women's sport.
The reason we have women's sport is because male and female are not physically the same.

Dude, you know I like you but the reasoning invoked in this post would get you an F in any logic course in the country.

Peace

Trans women are indeed a kind of woman.

 

[bomberfox]

You read the rest of my post. Do not disrespect me.
and learn.

This is how the gun nuts turned me against guns. They were so extreme that I just said **** it, there is no reasoning with these agenda driven dolts and so now I am anti gun.

I tend to not let my opponents dictate my advocacy. Ive seen incredibly toxic trans people like chaosismel, does not change one iota of my beliefs.

 

[bomberfox]

Real question, does anyone have a solution to this problem? (Anyone but Joko, of course.) Do transgirls just not get to play certain sports? Would they be capable of holding their own in men's teams?

Ive tried my best to be diplomatic about this :/

 

[joko104]

Ignoring the rest of that, yes, them having their own events is one option. A transwomen's division. Would you also want a transmen's division?

The problem with separate divisions is that most schools won't have a sizeable enough transgender population to justify creating one, meaning that the trans kids at those institutions won't be able to play. They'd also need an opposing team, meaning another school in the area would need to have a sizeable enough transgender population to form a team. This is unlikely to happen.

Sure if there is interest.

Schools don't generally have enough handicapped students either - and 90+% of all students probably are not athletically capable in a competitive sense anyway. The problem you seem to claim exists is a problem that the overwhelming percentage of students face with no solution. What about fat kids? Short kids? Kids with other physical or psychological problems?

If a 6'tall 16 year old has the intellect and maturity of a 6rd grader - for which he is in the 6th grade, do you claim he should be able to play on the little league football team? That is the claim of fairness, isn't it? If he psychologically is a 6th grader, he must be allowed to compete in football against other 6th graders - including your reason that there aren't enough 16 year olds in 6th grade to make teams out of.

If a student has an inherent physiological or psychological reason to not be able to compete, you don't destroy athletics to be fair or favor 50% of the students by excluding the other 50%.

 

[joko104]

The hero to me was male high school wrestler who refused to compete against a female man in the final round because he has been taught not to physically fight and possibly harm girls. He's a fine young man no girl would have to worry about date rape with.

Kudos to his parents too. He was taught that respecting females physically was more important to him that even a championship win.

 

[Unbeknownst]

The hero to me was male high school wrestler who refused to compete against a female man in the final round because he has been taught not to physically fight and possibly harm girls. He's a fine young man no girl would have to worry about date rape with.

Kudos to his parents too. He was taught that respecting females physically was more important to him that even a championship win.

Kudos to him for upholding misandrist and misogynist ideas.

Kudos to him for disrespecting a perfectly capable athlete who has worked hard to get to the final round by dismissing him as "just a fragile woman."

And, by the way, not being a rapist isn't a virtue. It's the bare minimum.

 

[joko104]

Kudos to him for upholding misandrist and misogynist ideas.

Kudos to him for disrespecting a perfectly capable athlete who has worked hard to get to the final round by dismissing him as "just a fragile woman."

And, by the way, not being a rapist isn't a virtue. It's the bare minimum.

He never called her a frail woman. He said he won't physically fight girls. I "beat up" more men in my than I can remember, but never a woman. It wasn't because they were "frail." It is because men shouldn't violently hurt women.

Wrestling is a violent sport. People have been crippled for life and killed in wrestling competitions. Wow, do you think it would be G R E A T to seem a man kill a woman in a ring? Now THAT is REAL sports, right?

There certainly also is a chance he also was taught not to grab or touch a girl's breasts and crotch too.

I'm confident your wife or wife-to-be will fully agreeable with and appreciate you having done or doing in the future the pregnancy and child birthing for her. Do you have children? If so, what being pregnant and given birth hard on you like women claim it is to them?

I can't change your denial of the most known of reality about the physiological differences between males and females - so likely then not the REALITY of what would happen if he won. There would be the certainty of men claiming "see how he showed that freak show bitch whose the man and whose not!"

 

[Unbeknownst]

He never called her a frail woman. He said he won't physically fight girls. I "beat up" more men in my than I can remember, but never a woman. It wasn't because they were "frail." It is because men shouldn't violently hurt women.

Right, and why is it fine for men to hit men but not women?

Wrestling is a violent sport. People have been crippled for life and killed in wrestling competitions. Wow, do you think it would be G R E A T to seem a man kill a woman in a ring? Now THAT is REAL sports, right?

You're being silly. The referee exists for a reason. The fight between these TWO MEN wouldn't be allowed to get that far.

I'm confident your wife or wife-to-be will fully agreeable with and appreciate you having done or doing in the future the pregnancy and child birthing for her. Do you have children? If so, what being pregnant and given birth hard on you like women claim it is to them?

I have no idea what you mean here.

the REALITY of what would happen if he won. There would be the certainty of men claiming "see how he showed that freak show bitch whose the man and whose not!"

If he won, transphobic jerks would be transphobic jerks. That's how they are. Doesn't mean he should refuse to fight a man, who has proven his capabilities by making it to the final round, on the basis that he "doesn't want to hurt a woman."

 

[joko104]

Right, and why is it fine for men to hit men but not women?

You're being silly. The referee exists for a reason. The fight between these TWO MEN wouldn't be allowed to get that far.

I have no idea what you mean here.

If he won, transphobic jerks would be transphobic jerks. That's how they are. Doesn't mean he should refuse to fight a man, who has proven his capabilities by making it to the final round, on the basis that he "doesn't want to hurt a woman."

You got that right. There is almost no circumstance where a male should hit a female. But then maybe you are more knowledge based since I've never hit a female.

Since you claim males can be females, certainly you would be willing to do a pregnancy and then birth the child yourself. All you would have to do is take estrogen and declare yourself a woman. That is your claim as the only difference between males and females.

Hell would freeze over before you use the words male and female. It would have been a fight between a male and female. What does the psychology of either of them have to do with it - other than only-and-everything to you?

Your comment about refs is foolish. Injuries in violent activities usually happens as fast as snapping your fingers.

 

[Unbeknownst]

But why is it okay for a man to hit a woman and not a man? Because the only reason I've seen is that women are all weaker and less capable, and thus should be handled with kiddie gloves, an idea which is extremely patronizing to women.

Not to mention it doesn't apply here since the transman in question was a competitor in a wrestling match who'd made it to the final round. Clearly this is not a person who is weak or incapable. Do you know how insulting it would be to be told "yeah, I can't fight you because you're weaker than me and you'll get hurt." It shows a complete lack of respect for the other party's efforts.

Sure injuries can happen, but this isn't some unrestrained beatdown. It's supervised and there's someone to step in if things go to far. There's no reason to believe this transman was going to die that day.

 

[noonereal]

Actually it isnt. Those that were already against trans people are still against trans people. I’m just saying you have an inconsistency in your advocacy..

Inconstancy because I think independent of tribe! That is rich.

God Bless

 

[noonereal]

Trans women are indeed a kind of woman.

OK. But they are not genetic women. As such, they have a physical advantage in sports.
I do not understand the thinking of those who support trans in sports. How they are so sympathetic to trans AT THE EXPENSE OF WOMEN.
Honest , how do you rationalize this?

 

[bomberfox]

OK. But they are not genetic women. As such, they have a physical advantage in sports.
I do not understand the thinking of those who support trans in sports. How they are so sympathetic to trans AT THE EXPENSE OF WOMEN.
Honest , how do you rationalize this?

They are women, just not natal women . Im of the position that a compromise should be made where they can be, always have XD. I’ve said this multiple times.

 

[bomberfox]

Inconstancy because I think independent of tribe! That is rich.

God Bless

Ehm... it didnt have anything to do with tribe either.

 

[noonereal]

They are women, just not natal women . Im of the position that a compromise should be made where they can be, always have XD.

XD? what is that?