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they you should have been more specific, a bull is not just a bullWe're not talking about other countries, we're talking about Spain where the special breed (like Miura) is bred specifically for the purpose this is all about. If that breeding and maintenance is abandoned they WILL become extinct.
you ask specifically about visiting abbatoirs...why the hell would I?who said anything about my finding it entertaining?Get a grip, eh wot?
I thought you might find her interesting but suddenly you have turned into a dick so I'm doneKnown about her for decades.
So?
Top bullfighter gored to death in Spain | New York Post
I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for this piece of excrement. You take part in such a cruel "sport" and get gored, well you just got hit by the karma bus.
why would I get beef? I explained how in a world without a value for beef, they would become extinct. you do realize in that hypothetical, I would have no need for beef, or dairy.
how would such a bull survive?
that is not what you said at all
read your quote in response to mine
This whole issue is about bullfighting in Spain and you want it to be more specific?they you should have been more specific, a bull is not just a bull
Yeah, it became apparent that that one went straight over your head and will apparently keep doing so.you ask specifically about visiting abbatoirs...why the hell would I?
If it's any comfort, I'm by now having reservations about you as well. If you want to throw a hissy fit over anyone providing the education that might somewhat draw you away from mistaking your ignorance-based opinion for actual fact, go right ahead. It's not my loss.I thought you might find her interesting but suddenly you have turned into a dick so I'm done
Oh, I will, no worries.have an excellent evening
Well, okay then. That's cleared up. We can overlook that you used the present tense seeing how that post is now outdated.And where did I say that? I responded to someone posting countries with a bad historical human rights record. All I did was state that in the Franco times human rights were seriously violated in the Franco era Spain.
Since when does stating that Franco has a bad human rights record say anything about today's record? I was not aware Franco was still in power in Spain?
yeah, one can see where that suggestion of education gets one to a few posts later.:mrgreen:Personally I dont have a issue with bullfighting , same with Fox hunts. I do have a problem with knee jerk bans that do away with centuries of tradition.
This generation sure is a judgmental preachy bunch for some reason. Those who want to ban Bullfighting are either Vegans or lack perspective
For expample, anyone who feels sorry for those Bulls should take a trip to a large slaughter house in the US.
That will add perspective.
He'll have a fair trial, be duly convicted of murder and be sentenced to hamburger.
Be that or don't be, I could care less.
Seeing how you clearly know not of what you speak wrt Spain, you're not worthy of any more of my time. You do not represent this thread BTW (since you mention the whole) so dismissing you is simply dismissing you.
Now have a good one.
Should I have added "bye"?If ....................{snipped for brevity}
Nope, doesn't work that way.
Traumatized as he now is by the whole experience, there's nothing left but to slaughter him. Because bulls traumatized like that are now a perpetual time bomb. He'll now kill anything that moves.
I love fishing, but you are a fool if you think the fish is enjoying the experience.
it's really fun to use superlight weight line and pole. a 10 pound small mouth on ultra light gear is a blast - again - just for me. for the fish it is sheer torture
the similarity we have here is we decided we are superior. these roles can't play in reverse.
charismatic megafauna is the explanation for why people aren't disgusted by what I do.
Top bullfighter gored to death in Spain | New York Post
I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for this piece of excrement. You take part in such a cruel "sport" and get gored, well you just got hit by the karma bus.
True enough. Yet as I pointed out elsewhere, the indulto (pardon) happens rarely and when it does, on account of the bravery of the bull and supported by both the audience and the torero. Somewhat difficult for the latter when he's already in the Spanish equivalent of Valhalla. Bulls that have killed never get pardoned. At least I've never heard of such a case in all the time I've been here.Nah, he could be put to pasture as a seed bull. That happens.
Those bulls go into the arena wild animals. They'll charge and try to kill because that's their nature- without that instinct, the corrida can't happen. They can be safely handled in groups and steers are used to give them the feeling of herd security and make them docile but when they find themselves alone they'll try to kill anything they see as a threat. That's why people get gored in the running in Pamplona- a bull gets behind the others and he no longer follows the herd, he attacks.
Well, okay then. That's cleared up. We can overlook that you used the present tense seeing how that post is now outdated.
True enough. Yet as I pointed out elsewhere, the indulto (pardon) happens rarely and when it does, on account of the bravery of the bull and supported by both the audience and the torero. Somewhat difficult for the latter when he's already in the Spanish equivalent of Valhalla. Bulls that have killed never get pardoned. At least I've never heard of such a case in all the time I've been here.
Popular wisdom (if one can call it that) also has it that a bull that's killed the matador is tainted in the manner described.
And there's a difference between the bulls in Pamplona and those in the corrida. The latter have been goaded pretty awfully long before they come out into the sunlight. Without any injuries as yet inflicted.
I'm no particular fan of the whole "sport". Best experience I've had though is being invited to ride thru them on horseback in Seville province. Accompanied by the vaqueros of course.
Miura bulls, considered to be the fiercest of the lot. Seeing how I appeared big and to have four legs they thought I was one of 'em. Docile as puppies they otherwise virtually ignored me.
Fell in love with them on the spot.
Yes, sorry, my bad. I was getting you mixed up with Abba-whatever.No, I clearly wrote "was ruled by Franco" and that it "was a horrendous regime for 40 years." both clearly using the past tense.
These guys have real balls. Not those pretty boys in Spain.
That's one version but all the narratives are pretty similar. All to do with the fiesta of San Fermin. The arena can indeed not be reached by the bulls thru any other means than being driven, the narrow streets precluding any form of conventional transport. Hence the term encierro (constricted) for the run. It's incidentally just about 6 bulls, the rest of the crowd being comprised of oxen. The very same used in olden times to guide and calm them on the long trek from the South.I envy you the experience. I've heard of the reputation of the Miuras.
My understanding is that the bulls who run through the streets of Pamplona are the same who are fought in the corrida. The tradition goes back to when the bulls arrived on the train and were driven through the streets to the stables at the arena. Drunken locals and tourists would run before them, wrecking the principle that the bull first saw an unmounted man when he entered the arena and making the spectacle that little bit more dangerous in Pamplona than elsewhere.
Yes, sorry, my bad. I was getting you mixed up with Abba-whatever.
There is some of that, no doubt, but the problem is the purpose of the whole thing is to first torture, bloody, weaken, then kill the bull. It's not an unfortunate side effect that actual sportsmen attempt to avoid, but the point of the spectacle.
not just some of that. they are very similar for this reason. we decided animals value is in feeding and entertaining us.
it would be hypocritical for me to continue to fish, but say that culture can't exploit a bull for similar entertainment value
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