This morning Trump declared defacto martial law because of one broken windshield, do you support it?

[Absentglare]

"his plan"???

Seriously?

You think Trump WANTS these riots? You think Trump WANTS the city to burn?

SMH

Why doesn’t he just take his minions home then?

 

[Mycroft]

Why doesn’t he just take his minions home then?

"minions"???

Are you talking about the ICE personnel who are doing their job enforcing the law?

Why do you want Trump to violate his oath of office?

 

[Absentglare]

"minions"???

Are you talking about the ICE personnel who are doing their job enforcing the law?

Why do you want Trump to violate his oath of office?

Yes, they are only here for Trump. We don’t want them here.

Trump gave away this plan before the election.

“I will rescue Aurora and every town that has been invaded and conquered,” Trump said at the rally. “We will put these vicious and bloodthirsty criminals in jail or kick them out of our country.”


“I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within,” Trump said. He added: “We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think they’re the big — and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen.”

Trump suggests he'll use the military on 'the enemy from within' the U.S. if he's reelected

During his first term as president, Donald Trump tested the limits of how he could use the military to achieve policy goals. If given a second term, the Republican and his allies are preparing to go much further, reimagining the military as an all-powerful tool to deploy on U.S. soil.

www.pbs.org

He said we have been conquered and he will need to send in the military to rescue us. He is waging war against us, against common Americans.

 

[Mycroft]

Yes, they are only here for Trump. We don’t want them here.

Sorry, but the fact that you are okay with criminals in your neighborhood doesn't matter.

 

[stealthycat]

snuff this rioting/insurrection/destruction quick n fast

arrest every single person breaking the law

protesting is one thing - what's happening in LA isn't protesting, its rioting/insurrection

 

[rahl]

You think it’s not “martial law” unless he uses those exact two words to describe it?

It’s not “martial law’ because there is no such power granted to the president. Doesn’t matter what you call it. He simply has no ability to do it.

 

[rahl]

Martial Law has been declared many times in the US.

Unconstitutionally. There is no such provision or power granted to the government to do so in the constitution.

 

[rahl]

Lol

Is constitutional law amusing to you?

 

[Bodecea]

The law applies to everyone.

Trump is doing this for everyone.


Oh, I'm sure you care...a little TOO much.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Sorry, but the fact that you are okay with criminals in your neighborhood doesn't matter.

Criminals require police, not the military. And are people criminals simply because DonOld Trump says they are?

Q: And why do ICE personell always require masks with no identifying names or numbers anywhere on them?

A: Because no identifiers makes it almost impossible to prosecute an individual ICE thug for violating a person's rights.

 

[Absentglare]

Sorry, but the fact that you are okay with criminals in your neighborhood doesn't matter.

The fact that you edited my post to avoid the part where Trump announced his plans, refuting your earlier comment, shows you know I’m completely right.

 

[Absentglare]

It’s not “martial law’ because there is no such power granted to the president. Doesn’t matter what you call it. He simply has no ability to do it.

He deployed the military in California already.

You can’t wish this fact away with the power of fantasy.

 

[JMR]

Haven't you seen the videos? The burning? The attacking ICE with rocks and explosives? There's no California law enforcement to be seen.

I imagine the videos of the scene vary widely among news outlets.

 

[rahl]

He deployed the military in California already.

National guard isn’t martial law.

You can’t wish this fact away with the power of fantasy.

I know. I can simply point out there is no such power as “martial law” in the US.

 

[Absentglare]

National guard isn’t martial law.

I know. I can simply point out there is no such power as “martial law” in the US.

The national guard is part of the military.

 

[OpportunityCost]

I know, holy shit...look at the mess on Jan 6.

I do wish LE had been given orders to really engage the violent mob, and that the national guard had been called in...protected our Capitol, the beaten cops, the threats to Congress and our electoral system. Dont you?

Passive aggressive for the lose. Both situations are bad. Both situations need or needed a stronger response. Whatabout shouldn't be a debating strategy.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Trump is the one inciting the violence. All Trump needs to do is stop inciting violence and let law enforcement do their job.

Incorrect. ICE has legal authority to do what they are doing, codified by law. The fact that the law on immigration has largely been ignored isn't an excuse.

 

[Taylor]

Have we hit a new bottom on DP polls?

 

[OpportunityCost]

The national guard is part of the military.

12 times the president called in the military domestically

There are a number of reasons the National Guard may be called to duty in the United States, including to help after disasters and provide security for events. On any given day, a National Guard sp…

www.chicagotribune.com

10 U.S. Code § 12406 - National Guard in Federal service: call

www.law.cornell.edu

10 U.S. Code § 12406 - National Guard in Federal service​

(3)
the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;
the President may call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws. Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia.

You're just wrong, the President can call out the NG because the law is not getting enforced there. It's not martial law. Unless you think Selma and school integration were martial law in the 60s.

 

[Absentglare]

Incorrect. ICE has legal authority to do what they are doing, codified by law. The fact that the law on immigration has largely been ignored isn't an excuse.

ICE officers are concealing their identities and conducting warrantless searches, they are pushing past the boundaries of what’s legal.

Law enforcement needs to identify itself to do its job. If a masked group says they’re ICE, they can’t just start kidnapping people. Someone’s going to get shot.

But worse, deploying the military like this is wrong. We do not want the military to start rounding up our civilians and deporting them to foreign prison camps.

 

[Absentglare]

12 times the president called in the military domestically

There are a number of reasons the National Guard may be called to duty in the United States, including to help after disasters and provide security for events. On any given day, a National Guard sp…

www.chicagotribune.com

10 U.S. Code § 12406 - National Guard in Federal service: call

www.law.cornell.edu

10 U.S. Code § 12406 - National Guard in Federal service​

You're just wrong, the President can call out the NG because the law is not getting enforced there. It's not martial law. Unless you think Selma and school integration were martial law in the 60s.

The law was being enforced, Trump is breaking the law by violating our rights.

 

[OpportunityCost]

ICE officers are concealing their identities and conducting warrantless searches, they are pushing past the boundaries of what’s legal.

Law enforcement needs to identify itself to do its job. If a masked group says they’re ICE, they can’t just start kidnapping people. Someone’s going to get shot.

But worse, deploying the military like this is wrong. We do not want the military to start rounding up our civilians and deporting them to foreign prison camps.

Your last sentence is just bullshit, that isn't happening.

I agree they should have badges visible and should identify.

 

[OpportunityCost]

The law was being enforced, Trump is breaking the law by violating our rights.

False, these riots are to prevent enforcing immigration law.

 

[rahl]

The national guard is part of the military.

And tasked with domestic defense, which includes insurrection, rebellion and/or riots.

There is no such power as martial law in the US.

 

[Absentglare]

Your last sentence is just bullshit, that isn't happening.

I agree that they aren’t doing it yet, we don’t want the military to start doing it. You’d like to say it’s outside the realm of possibility, it isn’t. Trump is already talking about arresting Newsom.

I agree they should have badges visible and should identify.

thank you.