This line reveals the perversion of American Universities

[zimmer]

Trump’s political campaign had rented out the university facility, over the objections of critics who said it was not an appropriate venue for the contentious candidate.

Crowds Fill Chicago Pavilion To See Trump; Protesters Mass Outside « CBS Chicago

I thought Universities would be tolerant, and openly accept diverse views...especially from the future president. ROTFLOL...

When Scalia gave a speech to the graduating class at Amherst, the faculty boycotted his speech... in 2002.

It is common for Conservatives to experience intolerant forces when going to give speeches, and require security. Meanwhile domestic terrorists are hired and celebrated.

Our universities... such open, tolerant places.

They were, one upon a time... places where young minds were taught to think... not what to think.

 

[lpast]

Universities are only tolerant of what they like to tolerate all other thought is unwelcome

 

[RabidAlpaca]

I thought Universities would be tolerant, and openly accept diverse views...especially from the future president. ROTFLOL...

When Scalia gave a speech to the graduating class at Amherst, the faculty boycotted his speech... in 2002.

It is common for Conservatives to experience intolerant forces when going to give speeches, and require security. Meanwhile domestic terrorists are hired and celebrated.

Our universities... such open, tolerant places.

They were, one upon a time... places where young minds were taught to think... not what to think.

LOL. People protest Trump so obviously he's having his free speech rights violated. That's not how this works. Being tolerant or respecting 1st amendment rights does not mean you can't protest a racist asshole who has people he disagrees with forcibly (and sometimes violently) removed from his rallies.

Trump doesn't have the balls to stand up to people he disagrees with, and he didn't have the balls to hold this rally, so he left like a coward. I didn't see any of the protestors using violence to remove Trump, he used his free will to cower all by himself.

Universities are only tolerant of what they like to tolerate all other thought is unwelcome

Yeah, because you know Trump is the flag bearer for free speech and constitutional rights. He goes around the country trying to incite hatred and violence against his dissenters and various minorities, then you want to complain about people protesting him? If we could all only be as tolerant as Trump...

 

[ttwtt78640]

Universities prefer candidates that would bestow "free" tuition upon them and their students would rather not have to pay to receive their (overpriced?) college educations. Why is this surprising to anyone?

If a worker wants to keep more of their current earnings then that is selfish and greedy - if a college student wants to keep more of their future earnings then that is a principled stand.

 

[What if...?]

I thought Universities would be tolerant, and openly accept diverse views...especially from the future president. ROTFLOL...

When Scalia gave a speech to the graduating class at Amherst, the faculty boycotted his speech... in 2002.

It is common for Conservatives to experience intolerant forces when going to give speeches, and require security. Meanwhile domestic terrorists are hired and celebrated.

Our universities... such open, tolerant places.

They were, one upon a time... places where young minds were taught to think... not what to think.

If only somebody had jumped over the barricades and pummeled Hitler.

I suspect humans have been shouting down stupid since they've been able to shout.

Also, since y'all think money is speech, even when it drowns out other points of view, drowning out is OK. Same effect.

 

[Jetboogieman]

That sweet, innocent, pure, alleged billionaire.

 

[Kurmugeon]

"You need to get out!, You need to get OUT! .....Can I get some Muscle over Here!"



In America, on almost any campus, it would be foolish to expect to receive:

1] In depth, technically accurate, challenging, Math, Science and Applied Technology Education

2] Free speech, open mindedness, and equal treatment with respect to Race/Gender/Sexual Orientation

3] A decent cup of coffee at a reasonable price

Considering how many hundreds of dollars per day it costs to spend time at an American University... Why on EARTH would you go?

REAL, Pragmatic, Technical and Scientific Education comes from OJT, Self-Study, and Career Field Specific, Online Coarses.

Universities have become TEMPLES to the Religion of Progressive-Fascism!

Universities are places for Progressive Worship, not Education or the Free-Speech Exchange of Ideas.

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[fmw]

When I went to college politics never came up anywhere. Every course I took stayed on topic. But I didn't take any courses in political "science."

 

[WCH]

LOL. People protest Trump so obviously he's having his free speech rights violated. That's not how this works. Being tolerant or respecting 1st amendment rights does not mean you can't protest a racist asshole who has people he disagrees with forcibly (and sometimes violently) removed from his rallies.

Trump doesn't have the balls to stand up to people he disagrees with, and he didn't have the balls to hold this rally, so he left like a coward. I didn't see any of the protestors using violence to remove Trump, he used his free will to cower all by himself.



Yeah, because you know Trump is the flag bearer for free speech and constitutional rights. He goes around the country trying to incite hatred and violence against his dissenters and various minorities, then you want to complain about people protesting him? If we could all only be as tolerant as Trump...

The people who showed up to hear Trump had their rights violated. The protesters weren't there to protest, they were there to shut it down .

 

[Captain Adverse]

LOL. People protest Trump so obviously he's having his free speech rights violated. That's not how this works. Being tolerant or respecting 1st amendment rights does not mean you can't protest a racist asshole who has people he disagrees with forcibly (and sometimes violently) removed from his rallies.

Trump doesn't have the balls to stand up to people he disagrees with, and he didn't have the balls to hold this rally, so he left like a coward. I didn't see any of the protestors using violence to remove Trump, he used his free will to cower all by himself.

Yeah, because you know Trump is the flag bearer for free speech and constitutional rights. He goes around the country trying to incite hatred and violence against his dissenters and various minorities, then you want to complain about people protesting him? If we could all only be as tolerant as Trump...

I see. So your idea of "freedom of expression" is the slant we've seen on campuses and out in public recently. You know; the idea that protestors are exercising free expression when they demand to be heard but shout down their opposition; force their way onto podiums and commandeer microphones; mob together and say "we're walking, we're just walking" to push people with opposing views away from their "safe zones?"

People do have a right to protest. However, when the primary purposes of such "expression" are to actively prevent other's from exercising their right to free expression and encourage violent reactions, then expressing self-righteous indignation when such counter-reactions occur is disingenuous.

If I rent a venue to hold a gathering I have a right to expel people from that venue who are there to disrupt my gathering. If they refuse to go peacefully, I can have them forcibly removed by either the police, or hired security. They have a right to PEACEFULLY protest OUTSIDE my rented venue all they want. I don't know where you (or anyone else) got the idea otherwise.

As for being a coward? If past experience with a few demonstrators who got inside to create a scene has led to problems, how it is cowardly to try to avoid an even greater tragedy when a larger mob is clearly present in hopes of inciting his equally angered and empowered followers to respond?

I may not agree with many of the things Trump has said when he is in demagogue mode. However, I cannot support the current ideology that it is okay to use any means necessary to disrupt speech that one does not agree with. It reminds me of the constant conflicts between the extremist Nazi's and Communists during the Weimar Republic years in post-WWI Germany. Such acts are NOT reflective of a rational society.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

I see. So your idea of "freedom of expression" is the slant we've seen on campuses and out in public recently. You know; the idea that protestors are exercising free expression when they demand to be heard but shout down their opposition; force their way onto podiums and commandeer microphones; mob together and say "we're walking, we're just walking" to push people with opposing views away from their "safe zones?"

People do have a right to protest. However, when the primary purposes of such "expression" are to actively prevent other's from exercising their right to free expression and encourage violent reactions, then expressing self-righteous indignation when such counter-reactions occur is disingenuous.

If I rent a venue to hold a gathering I have a right to expel people from that venue who are there to disrupt my gathering. If they refuse to go peacefully, I can have them forcibly removed by either the police, or hired security. They have a right to PEACEFULLY protest OUTSIDE my rented venue all they want. I don't know where you (or anyone else) got the idea otherwise.

As for being a coward? If past experience with a few demonstrators who got inside to create a scene has led to problems, how it is cowardly to try to avoid an even greater tragedy when a larger mob is clearly present in hopes of inciting his equally angered and empowered followers to respond?

I may not agree with many of the things Trump has said when he is in demagogue mode. However, I cannot support the current ideology that it is okay to use any means necessary to disrupt speech that one does not agree with. It reminds me of the constant conflicts between the extremist Nazi's and Communists during the Weimar Republic years in post-WWI Germany. Such acts are NOT reflective of a rational society.

Please show an example of protestors using ANY means necessary to silence free speech and the left supporting such an extreme position. Someone who actively silences and sues people who say something he disagrees with gets butthurt when people protest his rallies. Cry me a river.

Trump supporters are angry and a lot of their anger is directed towards blacks and hispanics, so it's not really surprising when they start acting violently.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Please show an example of protestors using ANY means necessary to silence free speech and the left supporting such an extreme position. Someone who actively silences and sues people who say something he disagrees with gets butthurt when people protest his rallies. Cry me a river.

Trump supporters are angry and a lot of their anger is directed towards blacks and hispanics, so it's not really surprising when they start acting violently.

When BLM members took over the podium during a Bernie Sanders rally. When student protestors at Mizzou linked arms and "walked" en-mass to push a student reporter away from their "safe zone." Every time a protestor sneaks into a Trump event to create an incident designed to incite the kind of protests exemplified by this situation in Chicago.

So, is it your position that since Blacks and Hispanics are angry too it's not really surprising when they start acting violently either? Is it your position that Trump should have come the rally, incited his follows so that at some point violence would ensue and you could crow about how right you were to point out how evil he is? Is that why you seem so disappointed that he opted NOT to exacerbate the situation? This makes him a coward?

That's an example of any means necessary...damning him if he does, and damning him if he doesn't; anything as long as he get damned. :roll:

 

[RabidAlpaca]

When BLM members took over the podium during a Bernie Sanders rally. When student protestors at Mizzou linked arms and "walked" en-mass to push a student reporter away from their "safe zone." Every time a protestor sneaks into a Trump event to create an incident designed to incite the kind of protests exemplified by this situation in Chicago.

So, is it your position that since Blacks and Hispanics are angry too it's not really surprising when they start acting violently either? Is it your position that Trump should have come the rally, incited his follows so that at some point violence would ensue and you could crow about how right you were to point out how evil he is? Is that why you seem so disappointed that he opted NOT to exacerbate the situation? This makes him a coward?

That's an example of any means necessary...damning him if he does, and damning him if he doesn't; anything as long as he get damned. :roll:

That's the huge glaring difference between Bernie and Trump. Sanders stepped aside and listened to what the protesters actually had to say, he didn't actively encourage his supporters to attack them. Protesters shouldn't resort to violence, and I'm still waiting for you to give a relevant example of this ominous "left" supporting such violence. We can however give some examples of that for Trump.

I think it's sad that you apologize for Trump supporters turning violent, as if it were the victims fault for 'egging them on'. Turning to violence is a personal decision, and you can't blame that on other people.

 

[Captain Adverse]

That's the huge glaring difference between Bernie and Trump. Sanders stepped aside and listened to what the protesters actually had to say, he didn't actively encourage his supporters to attack them. Protesters shouldn't resort to violence, and I'm still waiting for you to give a relevant example of this ominous "left" supporting such violence. We can however give some examples of that for Trump.

I think it's sad that you apologize for Trump supporters turning violent, as if it were the victims fault for 'egging them on'. Turning to violence is a personal decision, and you can't blame that on other people.

Sander's "stepped aside," and let them usurp his place. Why do you think that is the right method to handle such a situation? It only encourages further abuses. Which it did time and again afterwards in all sorts of venues. Of course, in his case he was an invited speaker, not paying for the privilege of rallying his constituents.

There's a big difference between renting out a place to have a concert, show a movie, or organize a rally. You don't have to put up with haters trying to stop the concert, people talking during a movie, or people trying to disrupt your rally. All of these acts are free expression, and they are free to express themselves OUTSIDE the venue.

 

[akrunner88]

If only those uppity minorities would learn their place.