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This Gives Trump The Power To Declare A National Emergency (1 Viewer)

I dare him to...

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YouTube made me do it!
 
Moderate Right said:
A gift from heaven:



https://www.yahoo.com/news/migrant-caravan-heads-u-border-090511743.html
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How is that a gift from Heaven? And how does that give Trump power to declare a National Emergency? Furthermore, since I'm asking questions, how does a group of people who are seeking to apply for asylum qualify as an emergency? And finally, how is declaring a national emergency going to result in an immediate end to this emergency?

Do you have the slightest idea of how long the court cases alone will last, with Texan ranchers on the border refusing to give their land over to the government for some stupid wall that does not even address the heart of the issue of illegal immigration?

A wall has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever proposed as a solution that solves nothing with respect to the real problem of illegal immigration.
 
Moderate Right said:
When thousands of people (and you don't even know who they are) try storming over the US border illegally, yes, that is a national emergency, especially when we don't have the facilities to take care of those who make it.
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So emotional and hyperbolic. They're storming the gates!

They are seeking asylum, just like the last group did. Maybe, just maybe, we should address the heart of the issue, rather than talk about building some stupid wall that would take years, and years, and years to ever even begin construction.
 
NebraskaFtball said:
How is that a gift from Heaven? And how does that give Trump power to declare a National Emergency? Furthermore, since I'm asking questions, how does a group of people who are seeking to apply for asylum qualify as an emergency? And finally, how is declaring a national emergency going to result in an immediate end to this emergency?

Do you have the slightest idea of how long the court cases alone will last, with Texan ranchers on the border refusing to give their land over to the government for some stupid wall that does not even address the heart of the issue of illegal immigration?

A wall has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever proposed as a solution that solves nothing with respect to the real problem of illegal immigration.
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When you are trying to apply for asylum you don't storm the border illegally with thousands of people. You go to the proper points of entry to do it legally. Otherwise, it is an invasion of people you don't even know who they are.
 
NebraskaFtball said:
So emotional and hyperbolic. They're storming the gates!

They are seeking asylum, just like the last group did. Maybe, just maybe, we should address the heart of the issue, rather than talk about building some stupid wall that would take years, and years, and years to ever even begin construction.
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They were storming the gates because they don't have any intention of coming here legally via the proper points of entry.
 
Think Trump can get The Wall(TM) built before this caravan shows up?
 
Moderate Right said:
When you are trying to apply for asylum you don't storm the border illegally with thousands of people. You go to the proper points of entry to do it legally.
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No one is storming anything. Pull back on the hyperbole there my man.

Do you actually know the law when it comes to requesting asylum? Hint: proper points of entry is nowhere to be found.

Also, why is it do you believe that these "caravans" that are seeking asylum are working their way to a portion of the US that already has a wall up? Hmm....
 
Moderate Right said:
When thousands of people (and you don't even know who they are) try storming over the US border illegally, yes, that is a national emergency, especially when we don't have the facilities to take care of those who make it.
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This crap didn't work during the midterms and it isn't working now.
 
Moderate Right said:
They were storming the gates because they don't have any intention of coming here legally via the proper points of entry.
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Yet, as has been pointed out, this has been occurring for close to 30 years now. And all to seek asylum, not to storm the gates. Applying for asylum actually is with the intent of coming here legally, you know. It is quite legal to apply for asylum and have your case reviewed. And no, it is not required to be done at a port of entry.

Perhaps instead of a wall that will never be built, we instead address our need to more effectively and efficiently process asylum claims.
 
Moderate Right said:
When thousands of people (and you don't even know who they are) try storming over the US border illegally, yes, that is a national emergency, especially when we don't have the facilities to take care of those who make it.
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Your article says several hundred. You guys can't help but lie, huh... I'm not even mad about it anymore...it's become so habitual you probably don't even know you're doing it... :lol:

Also, rather confused...in your OP you said the caravan was a gift from God. Now you seem upset about it. Make more sense please.
 
Moderate Right said:
When you are trying to apply for asylum you don't storm the border illegally with thousands of people. You go to the proper points of entry to do it legally. Otherwise, it is an invasion of people you don't even know who they are.
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This has been happening for decades. Trump using it to declare a national emergency would be no different than if Obama had used the number of gun-related deaths in the United States in 2014 to declare a national emergency in order to effect stricter gun control. I assume you would not support that. Illegal immigration is bad. Not as bad as gun related deaths in the U.S., but still bad. It is not a national emergency.
 
Moderate Right said:
When thousands of people (and you don't even know who they are) try storming over the US border illegally, yes, that is a national emergency, especially when we don't have the facilities to take care of those who make it.
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Based on your post, you’re more concerned about providing for immigrants who arrive in the United States? How caring of you.

Moderate Right said:
When you are trying to apply for asylum you don't storm the border illegally with thousands of people. You go to the proper points of entry to do it legally. Otherwise, it is an invasion of people you don't even know who they are.
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You should really know what you’re talking about before posting. Regardless of where immigrants enter the U.S., they may legally apply for asylum. And what’s with the angry tone? From your previous post it seemed that you cared about the immigrants. You gotta get your messaging straight.
 
Moderate Right said:
When thousands of people (and you don't even know who they are) try storming over the US border illegally, yes, that is a national emergency...
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• Trump already backed down from declaring an emergency. Try to keep up.

• Trump wasn't declaring an emergency because of a "crisis." It's because he wants to do an end-run around Congress and rule by fiat, just like all the authoritarian leaders he admires so much.

• Southern border crossings are a fraction of what they were 18 years ago -- perhaps 75% less. Fewer people = less justification for an "emergency."

• What most people do is fly into the US, and overstay their visas. Show me the wall that stops that.

• The last caravan was around 6000 people. It caused a major issue not because a bunch of people tried to cross, but because the Trump administration is trying to use border policies to deter people from coming to the US. Given that those people are fleeing poverty and violence, and the US offers them work, good luck with that.

• Just FYI, 6000 people is 0.002% of the US population. I'm pretty sure we can handle 6000 asylum seekers without everyone crapping their own pants and screaming about an "EMERGENCY!!!"

• The vast majority of individuals in these caravans are applying for asylum, and they can apply no matter how they get to the US. That means they aren't "storming over the border illegally."


especially when we don't have the facilities to take care of those who make it.
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Uh, hello? Trump didn't talk about declaring an emergency in order to fund more immigration courts and detention centers. Again, try to keep up.
 
Moderate Right said:
When thousands of people (and you don't even know who they are) try storming over the US border illegally, yes, that is a national emergency, especially when we don't have the facilities to take care of those who make it.
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Keep telling yourself that this is the one that counts as an emergency all of a sudden. :lamo
 
NebraskaFtball said:
No one is storming anything. Pull back on the hyperbole there my man.

Do you actually know the law when it comes to requesting asylum? Hint: proper points of entry is nowhere to be found.

Also, why is it do you believe that these "caravans" that are seeking asylum are working their way to a portion of the US that already has a wall up? Hmm....
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46339085
 
NebraskaFtball said:
Yet, as has been pointed out, this has been occurring for close to 30 years now. And all to seek asylum, not to storm the gates. Applying for asylum actually is with the intent of coming here legally, you know. It is quite legal to apply for asylum and have your case reviewed. And no, it is not required to be done at a port of entry.

Perhaps instead of a wall that will never be built, we instead address our need to more effectively and efficiently process asylum claims.
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Further proof that we need a wall so it doesn't happen for another 30 years.
 
OlNate said:
Your article says several hundred. You guys can't help but lie, huh... I'm not even mad about it anymore...it's become so habitual you probably don't even know you're doing it... :lol:

Also, rather confused...in your OP you said the caravan was a gift from God. Now you seem upset about it. Make more sense please.
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Several hundred is a lot. There are thousands in these caravans so next time it could easily be thousands.
 
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