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This Gives Trump The Power To Declare A National Emergency

Moderate Right said:
Several hundred is a lot. There are thousands in these caravans so next time it could easily be thousands.
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Tsk...fear mongering. Better to stick to actuals, so people believe you if it ever becomes "thousands".

Either way, declaring a national emergency would be an embarrassment you guys would be living down for decades. Careful what you wish for.
 
lwf said:
This has been happening for decades. Trump using it to declare a national emergency would be no different than if Obama had used the number of gun-related deaths in the United States in 2014 to declare a national emergency in order to effect stricter gun control. I assume you would not support that. Illegal immigration is bad. Not as bad as gun related deaths in the U.S., but still bad. It is not a national emergency.
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The fact that it has been happening for decades means it has to stop now! You guys say that gun violence has been happening for decades but you want gun control legislation to stop it. Why not just roll over and admit defeat and say that since it has been happening for decades then we should just ignore it?
 
Moderate Right said:
When you are trying to apply for asylum you don't storm the border illegally with thousands of people. You go to the proper points of entry to do it legally.
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Incorrect.

To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.
https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-united-states

There is no requirement in US law for asylum seekers to only cross at a point of entry. That's why asylum seekers cross the border, actively search for border agents, and surrender to them as soon as possible.

By the way, the Trump Shutdown is delaying the processing of tens of thousands of asylum seekers for years:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/us/government-shutdown-courts-prisons.html
 
Moderate Right said:
The fact that it has been happening for decades means it has to stop now! You guys say that gun violence has been happening for decades but you want gun control legislation to stop it. Why not just roll over and admit defeat and say that since it has been happening for decades then we should just ignore it.
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Reduction in both cases is a good idea. Declaring a national emergency in order to bypass congress to effect this reduction is a bad idea in both cases.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Based on your post, you’re more concerned about providing for immigrants who arrive in the United States? How caring of you.


You should really know what you’re talking about before posting. Regardless of where immigrants enter the U.S., they may legally apply for asylum. And what’s with the angry tone? From your previous post it seemed that you cared about the immigrants. You gotta get your messaging straight.
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I don't give one damn rat's ass for anyone who comes here illegally. They can all die for all I care. It's disgusting that someone can cross the border illegally and then claim asylum as if they really came here legally. That needs to be changed. If you want to come here then you come in through the front door, not the back door.
 
Visbek said:
sigh

• Trump already backed down from declaring an emergency. Try to keep up.

• Trump wasn't declaring an emergency because of a "crisis." It's because he wants to do an end-run around Congress and rule by fiat, just like all the authoritarian leaders he admires so much.

• Southern border crossings are a fraction of what they were 18 years ago -- perhaps 75% less. Fewer people = less justification for an "emergency."

• What most people do is fly into the US, and overstay their visas. Show me the wall that stops that.

• The last caravan was around 6000 people. It caused a major issue not because a bunch of people tried to cross, but because the Trump administration is trying to use border policies to deter people from coming to the US. Given that those people are fleeing poverty and violence, and the US offers them work, good luck with that.

• Just FYI, 6000 people is 0.002% of the US population. I'm pretty sure we can handle 6000 asylum seekers without everyone crapping their own pants and screaming about an "EMERGENCY!!!"

• The vast majority of individuals in these caravans are applying for asylum, and they can apply no matter how they get to the US. That means they aren't "storming over the border illegally."



Uh, hello? Trump didn't talk about declaring an emergency in order to fund more immigration courts and detention centers. Again, try to keep up.
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All lefty horseradish.
 
americanwoman said:
Keep telling yourself that this is the one that counts as an emergency all of a sudden. :lamo
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That's just the point. This has been going on for decades and the left could care less about putting a stop to it. Funny how the left have been complaining about gun violence (which has been going on for decades) and yet they want to pass gun control legislation in an attempt to stop it but they don't want to do one damn thing to stop illegal immigration, shrugging their shoulders and declaring that it has been going on for decades so why do anything?
 
OlNate said:
Tsk...fear mongering. Better to stick to actuals, so people believe you if it ever becomes "thousands".

Either way, declaring a national emergency would be an embarrassment you guys would be living down for decades. Careful what you wish for.
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I'm sick of us having to take care of these people hook, line, and sinker. If they want to come here legally then come here legally.
 
Visbek said:
Incorrect.

To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.
https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-united-states

There is no requirement in US law for asylum seekers to only cross at a point of entry. That's why asylum seekers cross the border, actively search for border agents, and surrender to them as soon as possible.

By the way, the Trump Shutdown is delaying the processing of tens of thousands of asylum seekers for years:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/us/government-shutdown-courts-prisons.html
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The laws are disgusting. I don't need an education. It is the US that needs an education. This is why we need a wall, so that people can't enter illegally and then try claiming that it was legal afterall.
 
Moderate Right said:
When thousands of people (and you don't even know who they are) try storming over the US border illegally, yes, that is a national emergency, especially when we don't have the facilities to take care of those who make it.
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Your article said hundreds. At least stick with your op.
 
lwf said:
Reduction in both cases is a good idea. Declaring a national emergency in order to bypass congress to effect this reduction is a bad idea in both cases.
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Well then, why don't we get together and work out a solution, a real solution? Since we have border walls already, put up by both Democrats and Republicans, we need to finish the job. Part of the process needs to be ending sanctuary cities, California as a sanctuary state, and we need to eliminate counting illegals on the census for representation, quit allowing illegals to have driver licenses, healthcare, and voting privelages in local elections. Democrats need to prove they are serious about border security. They do nothing to prove they are serious. In fact, they continually prove they are NOT serious, including both California and New York City currently wanting to make single payer health systems that specifically would also include illegals. They do all of these things and then try claiming it is employer's faults that illegals come here.
 
Moderate Right said:
Further proof that we need a wall so it doesn't happen for another 30 years.
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Are you suggesting we need a 2,000 mile wall in order to improve our asylum process? Reason that one out for us.
 
Moderate Right said:
Several hundred is a lot. There are thousands in these caravans so next time it could easily be thousands.
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Why just thousands? Go big and say it could be millions! Perhaps billions even! If we are just playing make-believe about what could eventually happen, at least make it awesome!
 
Moderate Right said:
I'm sick of us having to take care of these people hook, line, and sinker. If they want to come here legally then come here legally.
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I agree completely with you on that...border control is very important to any country with a border. No need to exaggerate to make that point.

Of course, there are better ways to do it than building walls...which I think is the main issue in your country right now, rather than whether or not border control is important. Also important to discuss are the American businesses that provide these folks with low paying jobs to drive higher profits. If you were to stick to those things, I think you might get a little less pushback.
 
Moderate Right said:
All lefty horseradish.
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lol

Nope, sorry, most of what I wrote is fact. It's not my problem if you can't accept basic facts about the southern border.
 
NebraskaFtball said:
Are you suggesting we need a 2,000 mile wall in order to improve our asylum process? Reason that one out for us.
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I'm saying that we have miles and miles of border barriers already, put up by both Democratic and Republican presidents. If we could put barriers up before, what's wrong with finishing the job? Why did we put them up in the first place? Why did Obama put more up? Why can't Trump put ANY up now?
 
NebraskaFtball said:
Yet, as has been pointed out, this has been occurring for close to 30 years now. And all to seek asylum, not to storm the gates. Applying for asylum actually is with the intent of coming here legally, you know. It is quite legal to apply for asylum and have your case reviewed. And no, it is not required to be done at a port of entry.

Perhaps instead of a wall that will never be built, we instead address our need to more effectively and efficiently process asylum claims.
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I would be for $5 billion to be spent on the infrastructure to handle the chaos that the President has caused at the border.
 
NebraskaFtball said:
Why just thousands? Go big and say it could be millions! Perhaps billions even! If we are just playing make-believe about what could eventually happen, at least make it awesome!
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The caravans carry thousands of people. What's ridiculous is your posting.
 
OlNate said:
I agree completely with you on that...border control is very important to any country with a border. No need to exaggerate to make that point.

Of course, there are better ways to do it than building walls...which I think is the main issue in your country right now, rather than whether or not border control is important. Also important to discuss are the American businesses that provide these folks with low paying jobs to drive higher profits. If you were to stick to those things, I think you might get a little less pushback.
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We have walls already. Why were they put up in the first place? Why is it that Obama could put up more walls but Trump can't put up any? If walls don't work then why don't we tear down all of the walls that we currently have?
 
Moderate Right said:
I'm saying that we have miles and miles of border barriers already, put up by both Democratic and Republican presidents. If we could put barriers up before, what's wrong with finishing the job? Why did we put them up in the first place? Why did Obama put more up? Why can't Trump put ANY up now?
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A year ago the President had the chance to get $25 billion for his wall.

He nuked that deal.

Why should he get anything now?
 
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