Third embassy to open in Jerusalem in under two weeks [W:159]

[Phys251]

No you didn't.

Lies. Go read post #104 slowly.

Maybe Israel has the right to defend itself against the terrorists that control that territory and we can continue from there.

By giving the Gazans about as much freedom as prisoners get, Israel chooses to create a hotbed for terrorism. FFS, Israel won't even let innocent Gazans escape. It hurts their credibility when they claim that they're just trying to keep their citizens safe, when they continue to maintain the conditions that keep that from happening.

Incidentally, Egypt is not innocent in this either, but they do not want to provoke Israel, so they've caved pretty much since the end of the Six-Day War.

 

[Phys251]

Already happaned, in 2005 Israel left Gaza and evacuated all the Jews from there. The result is well known, they established terror state which starves their own people in order to lunch rockets to Israel and building terror tunnels.

Nope, I specifically referred to Gaza citizens. You know, the overwhelming majority of them who have nothing to do with Hamas.

You want to punish the many for the sins of the few.

 

[NO1]

Nope, I specifically referred to Gaza citizens. You know, the overwhelming majority of them who have nothing to do with Hamas.

You want to punish the many for the sins of the few.

Lol.
You should redirect the question to Hamas, they are the one who rulling Gaza.

 

[Phys251]

Lol.
You should redirect the question to Hamas, they are the one who rulling Gaza.

What exactly do you expect people with absolutely no liberties to do? Sit back and take it? You honestly think that's how humans naturally behave in those kinds of conditions?

 

[NO1]

What exactly do you expect people with absolutely no liberties to do? Sit back and take it? You honestly think that's how humans naturally behave in those kinds of conditions?

Israel gave the keys to Gaza in 2005 to the PA, Hamas won in the election. It has nothing to do with Israel, its time the Arabs will be held accountable for their actions.

 

[Tigerace117]

Didn't say he was Hamas.

And yet, numerous other Israelis and Israeli supporters did make that claim, while you "merely" claimed his killing was justified for doing his job.

 

[Phys251]

Israel gave the keys to Gaza in 2005 to the PA, Hamas won in the election.

So Israel recognized the legitimacy of the Palestinian government in 2005, did they?

It has nothing to do with Israel, its time the Arabs will be held accountable for their actions.

Arabs? You do realize that Palestinians are a tiny subset of all Arabs, right? Not sure why you support the world's largest open-air prison, but I sure as hell don't.

 

[NO1]

So Israel recognized the legitimacy of the Palestinian government in 2005, did they?



Arabs? You do realize that Palestinians are a tiny subset of all Arabs, right? Not sure why you support the world's largest open-air prison, but I sure as hell don't.

Did Israel blockade the Gaza strip in that period of time?
It's pretty clear why I support the bloackade of Gaza, because it's a terror state. When there was no blockade and not a singal Jew there they used it to import rockets and weapons in order to carry out terror attacks. Why should I support terror state, ridiculous.

 

[Phys251]

Did Israel blockade the Gaza strip in that period of time?
It's pretty clear why I support the bloackade of Gaza, because it's a terror state. When there was no blockade and not a singal Jew there they used it to import rockets and weapons in order to carry out terror attacks. Why should I support terror state, ridiculous.

You do not understand that that blockade destroys Palestine's economy and their liberties. Palestine is not getting off the ground because they can't. Israel won't let them! Thus the conditions that fuel terrorism continue.

 

[NO1]

You do not understand that that blockade destroys Palestine's economy and their liberties. Palestine is not getting off the ground because they can't. Israel won't let them! Thus the conditions that fuel terrorism continue.

You don't listen, Israel didn't blockade Gaza during 2005 -2007 and they didn't became little Singapore. They didn't invest their money in order to make Gaza economy flourish. They invest it in terror, even though their people where starving. That's the truth. The blockade is execuse for those who prefer to blame Israel, instead of blaming Hamas for ruining Gaza and invest all their money on terror.

 

[Phys251]

You don't listen

Lead by example.

 

[NO1]

Lead by example.

You just got nothing to say after I crashed your arguments. Yours dodge is noted.

 

[Phys251]

You just got nothing to say after I crashed your arguments. Yours dodge is noted.

Nope, I gave you plenty of points to go through. You just didn't like them, which is your privilege. But you shouldn't accuse me of not listening while categorically doing that yourself. Because when that happens, we can't even talk about the real issues without getting sidetracked.

 

[NO1]

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/418779

Romanian Foreign Minister Teodor Meleşcanu has announced, following consultations with the Romanian security services, that the Romanian Embassy is expected to move to Jerusalem.

Romania is expected to move their embassy to Jerusalem too within a month.

 

[NO1]

Nope, I gave you plenty of points to go through. You just didn't like them, which is your privilege. But you shouldn't accuse me of not listening while categorically doing that yourself. Because when that happens, we can't even talk about the real issues without getting sidetracked.

Let's see, your main point was that Gazans has no liberties and due to the blockade they use terror and all that. I showed you the blockade has nothing to do with that, by example from the period of time which there was no blockade on Gaza and they still chose terror. Basic logic, I gave counterexample and your argument crashed.

Hamas is the one to blame for, if Israel will crashed Hamas many of the Gazan people will be the first to celebrate.

 

[CJ 2.0]

The problem is when it's presented as "Jerusalem" implying the whole city. Netanyahu refers to the city as the "undivided capital" which rules out a Palestinian section while Russia and the US haven't made the same declaration and seem more open to the possibility of a city governed by both Palestinians and Jews.

And this makes it a huge problem for the Americans to put their embassy in West Jerusalem ... why exactly?


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[CJ 2.0]

Third embassy to open in Jerusalem in under two weeks

Already addressed in this thread. Tell me, Howard: Which side has more dead civilians?

Which side has purposely set out to kill more civilians?

Just because the Jews are good at protecting themselves doesn’t make them wrong.

Incidentally, your “not enough dead Jews” argument is noted.


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[CJ 2.0]

How about this, maybe Israel stop giving Gazans about as many rights as prisoners get and we might not even be having this discussion.

Except we would. Cause that’s not why the Palestinians are fighting and it is not what they are fighting for


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[Phys251]

Let's see, your main point was that Gazans has no liberties and due to the blockade they use terror and all that.

No. Yet again you struggle to even understand what I am saying. Just look at what you wrote: You equated all Gazans to terrorists. Nothing good can come from that. So let's try this again:

* Nearly all Gazans have their liberties taken from them.
* Only a tiny portion of Gazans are terrorists.

If you can accept these two simple truths, then we can continue. Otherwise you are arguing from a position that is simply not rooted in fact.

 

[Phys251]

Which side has purposely set out to kill more civilians?

Just because the Jews are good at protecting themselves doesn’t make them wrong.

And yet again you refuse to acknowledge the number of civilians on each side killed and injured.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Gaza_border_protests

I'd rather live in a world where civilians on neither side are killed. Seems that that's a pretty basic goal that not everyone shares. :shrug:

Incidentally, your “not enough dead Jews” argument is noted.

You make an inflammatory comment like that, I demand that you cite EXACTLY where I say it.

 

[ElChupacabra]

And this makes it a huge problem for the Americans to put their embassy in West Jerusalem ... why exactly?


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Nothing at all if the response regarding the move were more cautious as the Russians was, but the WH response reiterated Netanyahu's message about Jerusalem being the capital of Israel and that was going to be problematic if the US was looking to play mediator to the talks.

 

[Apocalypse]

Lies. Go read post #104 slowly.

And because of that post I'm saying you didn't address crap. You think you have but you clearly haven't. Where is your proof? You said there that civilians were killed that's all. You're in the business of promoting propaganda nonsense it seems.

By giving the Gazans about as much freedom as prisoners get, Israel chooses to create a hotbed for terrorism. FFS, Israel won't even let innocent Gazans escape. It hurts their credibility when they claim that they're just trying to keep their citizens safe, when they continue to maintain the conditions that keep that from happening.

Incidentally, Egypt is not innocent in this either, but they do not want to provoke Israel, so they've caved pretty much since the end of the Six-Day War.

Israel placed a blockade because of terrorism, rejecting the blockade is rejecting the Israeli right to defend itself against the terrorists, not checking what's going into the Gaza Strip means they will be able to arm themselves with whatever they want and that's not going to happen. Egypt is free to make its own decisions, referring to it as "not wanting to provoke Israel" is hysterical and shows your bias.

 

[Apocalypse]

And yet, numerous other Israelis and Israeli supporters did make that claim, while you "merely" claimed his killing was justified for doing his job.

You're making a conclusion based on nothing when you say he was just doing his job, way to go demonstrating for the who knows what time your ability to destroy your own arguments.

 

[Apocalypse]

Lead by example.

He destroyed your argument and you were left with no reply. Good for you.

 

[Apocalypse]

And yet again you refuse to acknowledge the number of civilians on each side killed and injured.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Gaza_border_protests

I'd rather live in a world where civilians on neither side are killed. Seems that that's a pretty basic goal that not everyone shares. :shrug:

So your argument is 'not enough dead Jews'?
You realize that the comparison between the numbers killed on each side is meaningless?
What is meaningful is the intention to kill civilians, it is the legitimacy of the attacks and their motivation. That you fail to understand that is no less than awful.