There Is No American Left

[Redress]

Why? Did it magically become bad?

The world magically changed. It does that.

 

[Republic Now!]

The world magically changed. It does that.

What changed in the world that made the notion of freedom wrong?

 

[Republic Now!]

I agree that context is an issue. I also think it's hard to define politics on a world stage and outline a clear left/right global spectrum. Compared to Europe the Democrats are move centrist/moderate. Compared to more socialist nations like Venezuela or Russia the Democrats may be center-right. Compared to Middle Eastern nations they may be considered far left/fringe left.

Actually by his metric the Middle East is largely left wing, which is why he's also defending the Iranian propaganda machine.

 

[ecofarm]

:lol:

I didn't even click on it, but the notion of Iran's state-ran media outlet being honest is so ridiculous I can't imagine anyone actually believing it.

You can't handle the truth.org

 

[ecofarm]

He is comparing their positions to those across the world. In that basis he is somewhat correct, as the US is much more conservative than most of the world.

We're counting China as more "conservative", right? Talk about social control and corponomics gone wild. What about India, they got gay marriage, abortion and equal rights for women? Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi, Africa...

I think it's easier to look at who is more liberal: Europe, Canada...

Ok, that's ~500m more liberal and ~5b less so. Who am I forgetting?

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Did you actually read the whole article? It goes on and on about "voter supression". You'd think Obama had lost the election.

LOL - yes, it's full of absurdities.

 

[Graffias]

Too many "progressive" leftists and limousine liberals in the U.S who love gun control, affirmative-action, and radical feminism, and not enough socially conservative and blue-collar leftists. The Dems could steal the GOP's
thunder if they appealed more to white males and less to minorities and special interest groups like the Brady Campaign, NOW, La Raza, and the NAACP.

 

[Redress]

What changed in the world that made the notion of freedom wrong?

Ahh, broad generalities that every ideology claims to respect.

 

[Redress]

We're counting China as more "conservative", right? Talk about social control and corponomics gone wild. What about India, they got gay marriage, abortion and equal rights for women? Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi, Africa...

I think it's easier to look at who is more liberal: Europe, Canada...

Ok, that's ~500m more liberal and ~5b less so. Who am I forgetting?

I have no idea nor interest in what you are counting. Why are you so insistent in putting words in other people's mouths?

 

[ecofarm]

I have no idea nor interest in what you are counting. Why are you so insistent in putting words in other people's mouths?

You claimed that the US is (much) more conservative than most of the world.

In that basis he is somewhat correct, as the US is much more conservative than most of the world.

Wrong. Obviously. A grade school student could do the math.

 

[Ray410]

This is an odd discussion to be taking place in a country without a common culture. The liberals have imported enough foreign socialists (defining "Socialist" as someone who places their trust, quality of life and future in the government) that the liberals have been able to defeat the traditional Americans that built this country upon principles of distrust of government, self reliance and self determination.

When you say the US is anywhere in particular on the political spectrum, what US culture are you referring to, there is NO CULTURE. The US is aimless and directionless without leadership, language, borders, religion, values, morals or culture. All of those things are now found individually and are not a function of the majority or of a common culture.

Any statement that Obama has turned away from classical ideologies is largely incorrect. There is virtually nothing Obama has done that is not an exact replication of previous devastatingly failed ideologies. The gloating loons need to also keep in mind that the election is over, their importance is immensely diminished and the end scenario has yet to unfold.

The title of this thread would be more accurate with no "N" on the word American. "There is no America left."

 

[RGacky3]

What specifically?

I wouldn't say higher taxes on the rich, decreased military spending, support for banning guns/increased gun control, little desire to fix the deficit and turning a blind eye to illegal drug "legalization" make them center-right.

Where has he done any of that?

 

[RGacky3]

He is comparing their positions to those across the world. In that basis he is somewhat correct, as the US is much more conservative than most of the world. However, within the context of the US itself, Obama is not center right(he is center left), and there is very definitely a left in the US. In other words, the problem with his position is he is using the wrong context.

The Mandate was a right wing policy, as was cap and trade origionally, his financial team are all neo-liberals, and his policies all pro corporate anti-middle class and anti-worker.

He's just as authoritarian as Bush, and just as economically right wing as bush.

 

[RGacky3]

I agree that context is an issue. I also think it's hard to define politics on a world stage and outline a clear left/right global spectrum. Compared to Europe the Democrats are move centrist/moderate. Compared to more socialist nations like Venezuela or Russia the Democrats may be center-right. Compared to Middle Eastern nations they may be considered far left/fringe left.

How is Russia socialist?

 

[RGacky3]

Actually by his metric the Middle East is largely left wing, which is why he's also defending the Iranian propaganda machine.

by what standard??? No leftist supports almost ANY middle eastern regeim, STEP 1 of any left leaning government would be democracy, its impossible to have socialism without democracy.

 

[RGacky3]

This is an odd discussion to be taking place in a country without a common culture. The liberals have imported enough foreign socialists (defining "Socialist" as someone who places their trust, quality of life and future in the government) that the liberals have been able to defeat the traditional Americans that built this country upon principles of distrust of government, self reliance and self determination.

When you say the US is anywhere in particular on the political spectrum, what US culture are you referring to, there is NO CULTURE. The US is aimless and directionless without leadership, language, borders, religion, values, morals or culture. All of those things are now found individually and are not a function of the majority or of a common culture.

Any statement that Obama has turned away from classical ideologies is largely incorrect. There is virtually nothing Obama has done that is not an exact replication of previous devastatingly failed ideologies. The gloating loons need to also keep in mind that the election is over, their importance is immensely diminished and the end scenario has yet to unfold.

The title of this thread would be more accurate with no "N" on the word American. "There is no America left."

Your definition of "socialist" has never been a definition anywhere.

Socialists were against the state from the begining, anarchists are almost all socialists, as are libertarian socialists, socialism is broad term for economic democracy.

But your right about Obama, he's basically doing the same thing all post 1970s president has been doing.

 

[Stuckinred]

Bailing out manufacturing and financial industries - isn't that a rather odd thing for a socialist to be doing?

 

[Republic Now!]

Ahh, broad generalities that every ideology claims to respect.

No, the distinction between right and left in the given context.

by what standard??? No leftist supports almost ANY middle eastern regeim, STEP 1 of any left leaning government would be democracy, its impossible to have socialism without democracy.

By the standard which states there is no American left.

 

[Republic Now!]

Bailing out manufacturing and financial industries - isn't that a rather odd thing for a socialist to be doing?

No. Why would it be?

 

[Republic Now!]

Your definition of "socialist" has never been a definition anywhere.

Socialists were against the state from the begining, anarchists are almost all socialists, as are libertarian socialists, socialism is broad term for economic democracy.

But your right about Obama, he's basically doing the same thing all post 1970s president has been doing.

You're confusing communist with socialist.

 

[Stuckinred]

No. Why would it be?

Well, these right-wingers mindlessly call Obama a socialist all the while he's tilting nipple to the very wealthy people they love so much. Is irony THAT lost on them?

 

[Republic Now!]

Well, these right-wingers mindlessly call Obama a socialist all the while he's tilting nipple to the very wealthy people they love so much. Is irony THAT lost on them?

People voted for him. This is how they want economic leverage allocated by the state. Sounds like socialism to me.

Unless you mean socialism is "blindly hating the rich."

 

[Stuckinred]

People voted for him. This is how they want economic leverage allocated by the state. Sounds like socialism to me.

Unless you mean socialism is "blindly hating the rich."

It was fun to watch all those Republican governors blast Obama for bailouts yet didn't blink when bailout money came to their states. They're all in bed together, despite their rhetoric that makes it sound different.

 

[JayDubya]

Obama is a socialist, an extreme left-wing ideologue, and he is tragically in control of the reins of power. So yes, there is an American left.

 

[Stuckinred]

Obama is a socialist, an extreme left-wing ideologue, and he is tragically in control of the reins of power. So yes, there is an American left.

Is that a direct quote of Hannity, or a paraphrased version?