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Theocracy thanks to liberals who refused to vote for Hillary

Correct. FDR was rightly called 'the president who saved capitalism' against a growing Socialist movement rightly disgusted by the disasters of plutocratic capitalism that led to the Great Republican Depression. The country had its golden period thriving under those more left policies, until the country changed course with Reagan back to record inequality, $30 trillion in debt, economic crashes etc.
 
Ok.

I don't think of them as "worst". Honestly, I think if they had the benefit of hindsight, they'd probably vote differently (i.e. for Clinton). I seriously doubt that many believed their votes would matter. And, honestly, EXCEPT for James Comey's historically bad/incompetent personal decision to publicly disclose a federal investigation of Clinton's campaign just a week before election day (while NOT disclosing that there was also a federal investigation of the Trump campaign underway as well)....Hillary would have won easily in 2016.

I don't know about the "1%", or whatever....but I otherwise agree in principle.

Again, I think if BOTH sides (Bernie and Hillary) could have a "do over".......

But we can't.

I think Bernie Sanders would have been a good POTUS. I think the same about Hillary Clinton. At the very worst, each would have improved things marginally, based upon their ability to garner Congressional support. And, of course....the SCOTUS thing.........still enrages me.

LOL...I'm trying to "listen". I am.

Ok, so you're arguing that a lot of Bernie's voters were (or would have been) NEW to the Democratic Party in 2016....AND would have taken voters from Trump, right? I'm aware of that. And if I recall correctly, there was some support for that in the pre-election polls as well.

If so, I thinks that's a really valid point, as well. No argument at all, my friend. NONE.

Who knows how that would have played out. I suppose there is an argument that Bernie could have won even without 25% of Hillary's voters (assuming that those people decided to NOT vote)..simply by stealing votes from Trump. The net-result in that scenario would be a lower total turnout election, with a Bernie win.

Interesting thought-exercise.

I just know that I'd have eagerly voted for Bernie, if he got the nod. He didn't. But since I voted for Hillary, I do feel entitled to criticize any potential Bernie voters who voted for Trump (or stayed home)...and now regret it (in hindsight).

Craig234 said:
I agree with all that, and I remind you I supported and voted for Hillary strongly over trump in the general, as Bernie did and nearly all of his *Democratic* supporters.
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Yep. And I wish more Bernie supporters (or just Hillary hating Dems/Indies) did the same.

As LBJ said: It's better to have your rivals INSIDE your tend, pissing out....rather than OUTSIDE your tent, pissing in.

You and I are political pragmatists/realists.

I love idealism. I dream idealistic dreams. But I live in reality.

Maybe so.

Again, I think this is a great point and I'm sure it applies to many of the voters we're talking about.

Bernie's populist economic agenda crosses over many lines.
 
No comment needed.

This just merits re-posting for the anti-intellectual, fakenews, social-media-loving morons on the right to re-read.

FDR absolutely, LITERALLY "saved" American capitalism. Absolutely correct.
 
Step 1 would be to fix the corruption within the DNC.

Hard to support a group that does what it wants regardless of the will of they folks they purport to represent.
 
ultmd said:
FDR absolutely, LITERALLY "saved" American capitalism. Absolutely correct.
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I should have added a point, that banking crashes have always been a feature of the US economy, EXCEPT during the FDR era from 1933 when regulations were passed to Reagan when they were repealed.

The Economic History Association notes, "Prior to the passage of deposit insurance legislation in 1933 banking panics were a recurrent feature of U.S. banking history. Three phases of that panic experience can be identified depending upon the type of regulatory framework in place: the pre-Civil War era, the National Banking era, and the era of the Federal Reserve System. Federal regulation was absent in the antebellum period with panics in 1819, 1837, 1857 and incipient panics in 1860 and 1861. During the National Banking era, banking panics occurred in 1873, 1893, and 1907 with incipient panics in 1884 and 1890. After the Federal Reserve Act was passed in 1913, there were four full-scale banking panics, one in 1930, two in 1931, one in 1933 and a localized panic in Chicago in 1932."

Then FDR overhauled the system, regulating banks, creating the SEC, and the system stabilized. For the first time in history there were no banking crashes. For 50 years.

Then Reagan began de-regulation, and we quickly had the S&L crash, followed by more, including the Great Recession. But Republicans are blind to the facts and history, because they get injections of propaganda for their politics instead of facts, LIBS SUCK MAGA.
 
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Absolutists....

Good for absolutely nothing.

Yeah, this attempt to steer us back into the dark ages is properly laid at the feet of democrats in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton. Trump won all 3 states by about 70,000 votes combined.

This is the result.
 
Has he officially announced yet? Nope. I plan on doing lots of things. That doesn't mean I'm going to be able to do them. Telling a friend (like Biden told Obama) is not filing with the election commissions that he is running. I can tell my wife that I am going to run 3 miles today, that doesn't mean I'm actually going to do it.

Even Trump hasn't officially announced whether he is running or not.
 
Trump?

Oh dear.
 
donhughesmusic said:
Hey, I don't want to see neither Trump NOR Biden run! I'm just not assuming either of them are until it is official.
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My argument is based on FACTS.

"My plan is to run for reelection' in 2024" - Joe Biden

Your argument is based on nonsense and speculation.
 
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SkyChief said:
My argument is based on FACTS.

"My plan is to run for reelection' in 2024" - Joe Biden

Your argument is based on nonsense and speculation.
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My argument is also based on fact. Joseph Biden has not officially registered for re-election with any election commission. We do not know what is going to happen between now and then. My plan is to go to work tomorrow. However, if something happens here at home God forbid, there is a chance I won't. Your argument is based on his statement that he PLANS on it. Officially, and legally, he has not done the necessary steps. As of right this second, NO ONE is OFFICIALLY running for President. Nixon planned to stay in office, but things changed, and he didn't.
 
Nixon?

OMG.

I think we're done, child.
 
What an absurd analysis.

The DNC turfed their best candidate, Bernie Sanders. (I personally wouldn't vote for the guy but there's no denying he had popularity.) The DNC is just as money grubbing and into "establishment" power as the GOP that they would rather put forward the Clinton dynasty than run new blood who stood a good chance of winning the popular vote. That's how petty they are. They wanted to make sure their old establishment power maintained rule, even though it alienated Dem supporters. Trump won by default because a lot of lefties did not want to vote for HRC. The Dems dug their own grave. I didn't even vote in that election because the candidates were so abysmal.

Furthermore, when it comes to SCOTUS, Ginsburg could've stepped down during the Obama admin and there could've been a chance of getting at least one nominee on the bench, but she held onto power until she croaked during Trump's admin. This is unfortunately what a lot of left-wingers don't see: the Democrats are just as lustful for power as the GOP are. They cling to power selfishly at the expense of the nation's best interest. The scales then tip into fundamentalist territory and everyone cries about it... but nobody practiced prevention.

Anyway, I just came here to state my main point, which is that we really need to move on from these dynasty politicians. I don't want to see anymore Clintons or Bushs in power. It's so overdone. Appoint new blood.
 
I didn't "fail" to vote for Clinton, like some of her deranged bootlickers keep saying-- I deliberately and knowingly voted for someone else, because she is a corrupt right-wing authoritarian who-- with everything else at stake in this country-- decided her highest priority was passing an arbitrary "assault weapons ban".

If you want to blame someone for Trump 2016, blame her political machine for knowing she was the second-most unpopular presidential candidate ever, and putting her on top of the ticket anyway because it was "her turn". Blame them for setting up a moronic loudmouth compulsive liar as a strawman and then losing to him.

**** Hillary Clinton and **** her delusional "lost cause" cultists. If anyone in the Democratic Party really believed that Trump was as much of a threat to democracy as they say he was-- and he was-- they wouldn't have thought 2016 was the year to gamble on our future. Well, they did, and they lost and it is their fault and their fault alone.

Go ahead, blame your own voterbase for your own failure to serve them and see how that works out for you. After all, these are only the most important midterms in our lives... I'm sure you'll have plenty more to blame us for by 2024.
 

With respect:

I don't blame you for being uninformed about how T**** became president. Hardly anyone talks about Interstate Crosscheck. I don't know if the Green Party tried to do anything about it. I doubt that the Democratic Party did anything about it. But, if one looks into it, it's obvious that Republicans had the opportunity and very likely did purge A LOT of people off of voter rolls in "Republican states." Maybe you could look at the Wikipedia page and see if MI, PA, and WI were using Interstate Crosscheck, and reply with that information.
 
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With respect:

You know why else Hillary Clinton lost 2016? The unequal voting-power of the electoral college gave T**** a big voting-power advantage.

Yep, you're right, that's the fault of the people that didn't vote for your candidate.
 
If you could go back in time, would you have voted for Hillary knowing what has transpired in this nation since then?
 
Bernie didn't win a single large state against Hillary. If he was "popular", it didn't show.

 
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If you could go back in time, would you have voted for Hillary knowing what has transpired in this nation since then?
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If everyone could go back in time to the 2020 election Trump would win in a landslide, or at least one big enough that blue city officials couldn’t fix
 
dncc said:
If you could go back in time, would you have voted for Hillary knowing what has transpired in this nation since then?
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No, not under any circumstances. She is a criminal and an authoritarian. She voted for us to enter into an aggressive war on false pretenses, and then politically benefited from "opposing" it. She threatened and demeaned the women her husband raped, and became a feminist icon. And, fundamentally, she made it clear that her top political priority in running for President was to pass another arbitrary "assault weapons ban" that serves no legitimate, non-political purpose-- more than a better comprehensive healthcare system, more than tuition control and relieving student debts, more than protecting American women from GOP meddling and protecting American LGBT+ from subjugation and violence, more than literally any other reason that I prefer the Democratic Party to the GOP.

It's an unfortunate political reality that I often have to vote for a candidate who opposes my highest political principle in order to support all of my other political principles. But when a politician like Hillary Clinton makes that her highest political principle, and shows no signs whatsoever of giving a Tuppenny **** about any of my other political principles?

I have literally no reason to vote for Hillary Clinton under any circumstances. Hillary Clinton, and the DNC, have given me no reason.

Wyoming's three-to-one support for Trump over Clinton will have to remain unchallenged by my single vote. Even if I lived in one of the States where my vote mattered... no.

I vote for people; I do not vote against them. And if you put a gun to my head and told me I either had vote for Trump or Clinton, you're going to have to shoot me.

For the record? I voted for Sanders in the Democratic Party and Johnson in the general election. If you took me back to 2016, I would probably decline to vote for Sanders again... but I don't know what else I could have done with that vote.
 
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If everyone could go back in time to the 2020 election Trump would win in a landslide, or at least one big enough that blue city officials couldn’t fix
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Well, that is a certainly a belief. Biden might be a bit of a placeholder (at best) but at least he's not an active, ongoing threat to the rule of law.
 
Real Korimyr #9 said:
For the record? I voted for Sanders in the Democratic Party and Johnson in the general election. If you took me back to 2016, I would probably decline to vote for Sanders again... but I don't know what else I could have done with that vote.
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There's a good example of your 'Bernie supporter who didn't vote for Hillary'. I would have pushed him to vote for her (in the general). But he's not an 'ultraliberal', a 'Democrat' who didn't vote for Hillary, he's someone who would vote for Bernie but not Hillary or trump, and now even questions voting for Bernie. That is NOT the 'ultra liberal' or a salvagable vote for Hillary, it was a strength of Bernie to attract such people that would help him beat trump.
 
I just like telling people I voted for Sanders in the primaries and Johnson in the election, and watching their shitty little primate brains implode.
 
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