Themes Mafia Game #2 - Cyber Scum

[Tucker Case]

Nice try, Tuck. Of course you'd have to say this. To answer your question, only found out about you about 10 minutes before my post outing you.

Well that's convenient, isn't it. :lol: What you probably learned ten minutes ago was that I put myself out there to point out targeting the SK would mean scum wins if they have a two person team

Doesn't explain why you ignored the fact that Solaris defended wake and voted along side him right away today. The only thing that would explain that is you two working together.

Let's use Occam's razor here. Even if was the SK, it would still be far more likely that you got the info from being the scum detective than from the ludicrous scenario you describe. And even if people do assume I am the SK, you are dutifully ignoring the fact that my math/logic describing what happens from targeting the SK if there is a two person scum team left is spot on.

Town's best course of action is to ban you, since even if you were telling the truth about me, it would mean that you are most likely the scum detective. If everyone else believes your claim that I am the SK, then they can simply target me for banning tomorrow. But going after me tonight because they think I am the SK would guarantee that you and wake win.

 

[X Factor]

Again, Tuck, you're not saying anything this hasn't forced you to. If people end up believing you over me, there's nothing I can do about that, but, at least, I'll know I did everything I could to help town.

 

[Tucker Case]

Here's the thing, I don't care if people believe X or not about me being SK. Go over the math I presented earlier. It's far more likely that X is the scum detective than it is for his described situation to have occurred.

That's just common sense. I just pointed out how targeting the SK would guarantee that Rackam wins if there's two of them, then X starts hollering about me being the SK.

If you want to believe his claim, then go ahead and ban me.... tomorrow when there's still a chance for town to win. Doing it today would guarantee a Rackam victory even if I was the SK.

 

[Tucker Case]

Again, Tuck, you're not saying anything this hasn't forced you to. If people end up believing you over me, there's nothing I can do about that, but, at least, I'll know I did everything I could to help town.

Just because I'm forced into a situation where it must be said doesn't mean it's not 100% true.

Simple common sense: Which is more likely: What X describes having actually occurred, or X being the scum detective.

People can check my math on what happens with three scum left. They don't have to believe that I'm not the SK, they just have to realize that everything I am saying makes more sense than what you are saying.

 

[Paschendale]

Tucker, I already said that I think there's only two living bad guys right now, one Rackham and one SK. Why do you think differently? You make the argument that if there is more than that, that eliminating the SK is a bad idea, though I might disagree, since eliminating a night kill would help town tremendously. And it's also awfully convenient that you suggested not killing the SK, when you may in fact be the SK, but it also sounds like a pretty slick move on X's part to use that against you. Also, I didn't think about a scum detective. Digsbe and Solaris didn't have any powers, so it's likely that our remaining scum would have some kind of power.

There's a lot of holes in both sides, and I'm busy working right now. Unvote until I can think about this some more. I'll be back in a couple of hours once my work is done.

 

[X Factor]

Well, if I'm banned, it will be immediately apparent that I'm telling the truth, but it might be too late for town, since I'd be gone (town) and there would still be Tucker, the SK and maybe (none of us really know the make up of Rackham) another mafia member. That's 3 dead townies (potentially). Can town absorb that?

 

[Tucker Case]

Tucker, I already said that I think there's only two living bad guys right now, one Rackham and one SK. Why do you think differently?

I know X has to be scum because he's lying and solaris begged people not to vote for wake yesterday. They both come in and lay votes down for you together and saying they won't be on much today. They were gung ho to take out the person who had been most suspected yesterday, but ignored the fact that solaris flipping scum made wake the biggest suspect after the way she pleaded for his life.

Now, after I knowingly cast suspicion for being the SK upon myself for the benefit of the town, X comes out and targets me as the SK with some cockamamie story about being made a one-time detective. Simple common sense dictates that at best, he's telling the truth about me, but he's the scum detective.

You make the argument that if there is more than that, that eliminating the SK is a bad idea, though I might disagree, since eliminating a night kill would help town tremendously.

Like I said, don't just take my word for it, check the math.

And it's also awfully convenient that you suggested not killing the SK, when you may in fact be the SK, but it also sounds like a pretty slick move on X's part to use that against you.

It does, but you'll also note that I pointed out that in the two Rackam left one SK scenario, killing any townie would make it impossible for town to win. He's taking advantage of the suspicion I cast upon myself to increase his team's chances for victory.

Also, I didn't think about a scum detective. Digsbe and Solaris didn't have any powers, so it's likely that our remaining scum would have some kind of power.

Occam's razor, man. I'm not even asking people to believe me about not being the SK. I'm just asking people to check my math on what happens if we kill anyone else but rackam today and there are two players left from Rackam.

Ban me tomorrow if you don't believe me about not being the SK. But don't lose the game by listening to obvious scum.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

I know X has to be scum because he's lying and solaris begged people not to vote for wake yesterday. They both come in and lay votes down for you together and saying they won't be on much today. They were gung ho to take out the person who had been most suspected yesterday, but ignored the fact that solaris flipping scum made wake the biggest suspect after the way she pleaded for his life.

Now, after I knowingly cast suspicion for being the SK upon myself for the benefit of the town, X comes out and targets me as the SK with some cockamamie story about being made a one-time detective. Simple common sense dictates that at best, he's telling the truth about me, but he's the scum detective.




Like I said, don't just take my word for it, check the math.



It does, but you'll also note that I pointed out that in the two Rackam left one SK scenario, killing any townie would make it impossible for town to win. He's taking advantage of the suspicion I cast upon myself to increase his team's chances for victory.



Occam's razor, man. I'm not even asking people to believe me about not being the SK. I'm just asking people to check my math on what happens if we kill anyone else but rackam today and there are two players left from Rackam.

Ban me tomorrow if you don't believe me about not being the SK. But don't lose the game by listening to obvious scum.

If there are two scum left. I am inclined to believe there is 1 scum (Pasch or Wake for me) and 1 SK (apparently Tucker).

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Just as a reminder to everyone, so you don't have to go through all the posts:

Digsbe - Rackham Neophyte
Eco - Town Dick
Solaris - Rackham Neophyte
The Mark - Town Cryptographer
Roughdraft - Town Site Owner
X Factor - Potential Sysadmin
Tucker Case - Potential Psycho Hacker

 

[Wake]

Lies and obscurity aside, I'm sticking to Pasch regardless of Solaris's fake claim of Chad's guilt. Since I don't like wasting time I'll watch this discussion for a little while.

 

[Tucker Case]

If there are two scum left. I am inclined to believe there is 1 scum (Pasch or Wake for me) and 1 SK (apparently Tucker).

Check my math on the three-scum scenario. It's spot on.

X knows he has a teammate. He knows there are three scum. He's going to do whatever he can do to try and win the game for his team.

Even if you assume I am the SK, it makes much more sense to assume that X is the scum detective than it does to assume he's telling the truth about how he got that information.

Now, if you assume that I am the SK and X is the scum detective (at this point, this is the most logical approach to take), and then you take what I have pointed out about going after the SK into account, checking it very carefully for accuracy. The only way that town could win if there are two Rackam left is to ban X today, hope I target his teammate tonight or his teammate targets me tonight, and then ban me tomorrow for the town win.

I don't expect anyone to believe me that I'm not the SK. Just believe that if I am the SK, my ability to win the game is done. If X is banned and his cockamamie story turns out to be true, I'm done tomorrow. If he flips as the scum detective as I am saying he would if I am the SK, I'm still done tomorrow. As the SK, I couldn't possibly win this game now.

So why would I be lying about the win conditions?

 

[X Factor]

Just as a reminder to everyone, so you don't have to go through all the posts:

Digsbe - Rackham Neophyte
Eco - Town Dick
Solaris - Rackham Neophyte
The Mark - Town Cryptographer
Roughdraft - Town Site Owner
X Factor - Potential Sysadmin
Tucker Case - Potential Psycho Hacker

I get confused with the names for the roles, but to be clear, I'm the Moderator, not Sysadmin. I only get this one investigation and only because of Madlib's mistake last night.

 

[Tucker Case]

Lies and obscurity aside, I'm sticking to Pasch regardless of Solaris's fake claim of Chad's guilt. Since I don't like wasting time I'll watch this discussion for a little while.

To everyone: Take note that this does not make any sense in the given situation if wake is town. I can see not picking a side yet with regard to me and X, but to keep his vote on Pasch given what is occurring right now between X and myself indicates very strongly that he'd distancing himself from X. I've accused him of being X's teammate multiple times now, yet he doesn't even mention it in any way. If anything, I could see him voting for me over that if he was town.

 

[Wake]

X is roleclaiming as the Roleblocker? Why?

 

[Wake]

To everyone: Take note that this does not make any sense in the given situation if wake is town. I can see not picking a side yet with regard to me and X, but to keep his vote on Pasch given what is occurring right now between X and myself indicates very strongly that he'd distancing himself from X. I've accused him of being X's teammate multiple times now, yet he doesn't even mention it in any way. If anything, I could see him voting for me over that if he was town.

Cute.

I haven't read the developments, but I am sticking to Pasch. Not only this but like you did in the past I'm taking a break to view the discussions.

I'll read the developments in my own time. If X is roleclaiming as Roleblocker I'd like to know why. Your very quick and Scummy accusation is noted, as well.

 

[X Factor]

Notice, Tucker has pretty much admitted now to being SK. Also, keep this in mind, if I don't get banned, I will be hacked (meaning some other townie won't) b]and I still get a role-block during the night.

 

[Wake]

First let's ban the last Rackham member, Pasch. Once we cross out the last Scum we can root out the SK if there is one.

 

[Tucker Case]

If X is roleclaiming as Roleblocker I'd like to know why.

It's as simple as this: Either X is lying, I am lying, or both of us are lying.

Most of my claims can be verified by looking over the scenarios of what would happen if there are three scum players.

 

[X Factor]

Guys, look at what MadLib posted when he opened the second say. Look at that first line. Those special privileges that we were prevened from using were mine.

The forum administrators fixed a bug that prevented some special privileges, only to find out that a few valuable members have been Hacked.

The Mark, a Cryptographer (Forum-aligned) was victimized.

roughdraft274, the Site Owner, was also hacked.

Remaining Players:

Paschendale
VanceMack
Tucker Case
X Factor
Wake
Chaddelamancha.

It takes 4 votes to ban.

It is now Runtime 2

 

[X Factor]

He opened the second "day" not "say". Ugh.

 

[Wake]

It's as simple as this: Either X is lying, I am lying, or both of us are lying.

Most of my claims can be verified by looking over the scenarios of what would happen if there are three scum players.

Pasch is likely Scum. Let's ban him. If you are the SK you have no reason to let the last Scum member survive, and if you let him live tonight and we ban someone else either he'll come for you or you'll cross eachother out. Then again, maybe you're a bulletproof Townie and Pasch failed last night in hacking you. Nothing is certain.

 

[Tucker Case]

Notice, Tucker has pretty much admitted now to being SK.

If that's true, my win condition is totally blown. So why would I bother lying about anything else?

That's rhetorical because I wouldn't.

I just want people to realize that if I am the SK, my ability to win this game is done. Over. Kaput. Finito.

So I'm either town and arguing in favor of town so that my team can win or I'm the SK and I'm arguing in favor of town so the other scum team doesn't win.

Either way, I'm definitely arguing in favor of town.


BTW, you still haven't explained why you and wake both went after pasch and you ignored the fact that solaris actually begged everyone not to kill wake yesterday.

Could that be why you wanted to go over the night kills instead of looking at what solaris did?

Is it because you guys killed Roughdraft due he was also adamant against pasch for so long and his last posts in the thread were arguments against pasch? Were you guys trying to frame pasch as though he would make that kind of rookie mistake?

Townies just have to use common sense here. If I'm the SK, I can't possibly win this game anymore. And I correctly pointed out earlier that scum would go hard after the SK today because it guarantees a win for them. They can check my math on that.

I'm either a townie who is being set up by scum , or I am the SK and I know that you are the scum detective and I just wanted to say fuck it, let's give this game to town if they are smart enough to take it.

 

[Wake]

OK, Tucker's being really Scummy.

On the flip side, we could always ban Tucker if he's the SK and then go after Pasch.

 

[Tucker Case]

Pasch is likely Scum. Let's ban him. If you are the SK you have no reason to let the last Scum member survive, and if you let him live tonight and we ban someone else either he'll come for you or you'll cross eachother out. Then again, maybe you're a bulletproof Townie and Pasch failed last night in hacking you. Nothing is certain.

Nope, I'm not bulletproof. In fact, I actually am the SK. My ability to win this game now is over. Now I want the town to win. I killed the mark last night because I picked someone at random, getting into my role as SK.

I know that you and X are a scum team and that X looked over my numbers earlier and realized I was right. Since he had investigated me as the scum detective yesterday, he came up with his cockamamie plan in order to try and take me out and guarantee the win for you guys.

You guys targetted RD to try and set up Pasch, thus your votes this morning. That's also why X was pissed that neither me nor pasch looked at the night kills earlier today. He didn't want to offer the theory himself.

My numbers are spot on. You and X have been avoiding looking like you are in cahoots for a while now. You killed RD to try and frame pasch. You guys investigated me and learned I was the SK.

Solaris is the key to everything. She begged for your life, but X didn't want to talk about it at all this morning. I'm ****ed, but I'm content taking you guys down with me.

If they aren't smart enough to listen to me after I put everything out on the table, though, they'll be handing you the game and they deserve to lose.

 

[Wake]

As faithful Scumhunter I see through the lies. Pasch, Digsbe, and Solaris are one Scum team. You call yourself SK. You want us to believe me and X are Scum, but Madlib would be unwise to put 2 Scum teams and an SK in a 10-man game. Unvote. Vote: Tucker Case. We ban you now. Town has no reason to call itself SK. If I die tonight, you must take out Pasch. You must.