Themes Mafia Game #2 - Cyber Scum

[roughdraft274]

I didn't especially care which one we looked at first, as I wanted to look at them all, so I would have likewise agreed had you voted for X, or RD, or really anyone who hasn't been as active.

Just want to point out that I don't agree with the general view that I haven't been active. I don't have as many posts as the most active people on this thread, but last time I added them up (I want to say around post 300) I had in the range of 25 posts where as Vance had about 15 and X had about 13, and I know that this is all opinion, but I think that mine have been much more on topic and have shared my views much more so than Vance, X and Solaris. I definitely haven't hidden around waiting to ban someone when they are one vote away. I have voted often in order to spur discussion and have given my reasons every time.

 

[Solaris]

Ya so stubborn ya still dont see tha strings in tha shadows. Do ya think raw emotionalness is tha mark a an evil mind? If Peep's a misguided member ya DONT get rid a him cause hes really prolly good. Ya dont want ta risk it! :sun

 

[VanceMack]

He might be the town detective and he just doesn't want to out himself. That would explain why he absolutely refuses to change from the eco vote and it would explain why he's laying low on the first day (one of the few town power roles that might have a legitimate reason for laying low would be detective so that they can utilize said role at least once).

Nah...m not a detective, nor am I trying to convince anyone (sorry Saloris, but your insinuation doesnt stick). On day 1 I was renovating a property and not readily available. Right now...Im on vacation. Look...its simple. Eco was clamoring for a body...then when his actions began to be scrutinized his defense was "dont tase me bro!". Suddenly...he's "the detective"...

 

[VanceMack]

Just want to point out that I don't agree with the general view that I haven't been active. I don't have as many posts as the most active people on this thread, but last time I added them up (I want to say around post 300) I had in the range of 25 posts where as Vance had about 15 and X had about 13, and I know that this is all opinion, but I think that mine have been much more on topic and have shared my views much more so than Vance, X and Solaris. I definitely haven't hidden around waiting to ban someone when they are one vote away. I have voted often in order to spur discussion and have given my reasons every time.

I dont have much of substance at this point to offer. And I dont know whats going on with X, but his lack of posting seems more like 'life' not sneaky.

I COULD I suppose restate things every 10 posts just to make some sort of posting quota guideline. but why? Eco is my guy, based solely on HIS behaviors.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

So it looks like X Factor and the Mark are the deciders. Let's here from them.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

So it looks like X Factor and the Mark are the deciders. Let's here from them.

Hear, even. Wheee no edit.

 

[Paschendale]

Just want to point out that I don't agree with the general view that I haven't been active. I don't have as many posts as the most active people on this thread, but last time I added them up (I want to say around post 300) I had in the range of 25 posts where as Vance had about 15 and X had about 13, and I know that this is all opinion, but I think that mine have been much more on topic and have shared my views much more so than Vance, X and Solaris. I definitely haven't hidden around waiting to ban someone when they are one vote away. I have voted often in order to spur discussion and have given my reasons every time.

Less active, not inactive. Don't worry, RD, just because you're on the less active list doesn't mean you're near the top. X is the least active by far and, while he doesn't have to post more often than once a week, that's not the pace this game is taking. We're at 400+ posts in 5 days. A person technically only has to post once within that time to count, but that's not going to cut it. Not that everyone needs to yell and scream, but those who have been sitting back should take some lead, and try to prove their theories. The most active players have had their turn in the spotlight. Now it's time for everyone else.

Really it comes down to 2 things. The less someone posts, the less there is of theirs to examine. It's more difficult to peg someone who doesn't post very much as scum or town, and since the conversation has been dominated so much by me, Eco, Wake, and Tucker, I just want the four of us to step back and let the rest of you talk for a while.

 

[Tucker Case]

It's more difficult to peg someone who doesn't post very much as scum or town, and since the conversation has been dominated so much by me, Eco, Wake, and Tucker, I just want the four of us to step back and let the rest of you talk for a while.

Makes sense. I'm willing to take that route.

 

[Wake]

I guess I just don't know what to do. I feel you're Scum, Pasch, but it's just a feeling and no one wants to hear me. Should I unvote and look elsewhere? Tucker will only consider logic and reason and since you're in lockstep with that Tucker will probably fall for you until it's too late. I'm willing to consider a brief truce and look elsewhere. IF I do this, who do you suppose should be looked at? I suppose I could abandon my hunch for now since it's pointless and look elsewhere. I might unvote. A feeling has nothing on logic, proof, and reason.

 

[VanceMack]

Less active, not inactive. Don't worry, RD, just because you're on the less active list doesn't mean you're near the top. X is the least active by far and, while he doesn't have to post more often than once a week, that's not the pace this game is taking. We're at 400+ posts in 5 days. A person technically only has to post once within that time to count, but that's not going to cut it. Not that everyone needs to yell and scream, but those who have been sitting back should take some lead, and try to prove their theories. The most active players have had their turn in the spotlight. Now it's time for everyone else.

Really it comes down to 2 things. The less someone posts, the less there is of theirs to examine. It's more difficult to peg someone who doesn't post very much as scum or town, and since the conversation has been dominated so much by me, Eco, Wake, and Tucker, I just want the four of us to step back and let the rest of you talk for a while.

I suspect two things about X. Life has priority over posting and he doesnt appear that invested in the game. Translation...'simple' townfolk. Wake is being Wakey. Chad...I suspect Chad for the same reasons though less intense than I suspect Eco. both seemed anxious for an early banning.

 

[Paschendale]

I guess I just don't know what to do. I feel you're Scum, Pasch, but it's just a feeling and no one wants to hear me. Should I unvote and look elsewhere? Tucker will only consider logic and reason and since you're in lockstep with that Tucker will probably fall for you until it's too late. I'm willing to consider a brief truce and look elsewhere. IF I do this, who do you suppose should be looked at? I suppose I could abandon my hunch for now since it's pointless and look elsewhere. I might unvote. A feeling has nothing on logic, proof, and reason.

Should you unvote and look elsewhere? YES!! This is not a game to played with hunches. You say that Tucker insists on logic and reason, but this is a game of logic and reason. Those are the tools used to play it. Just like you can't play tennis with a baseball bat, you can't play mafia based on hunches and gut feelings. My suggestion, for a while, has been to look at X, Mark, RD, and Vance, as they have been less active. Vance and RD have since stepped up in the last dozen pages and put in a good amount. So let's look at X and Mark. It would be all too simple for the 4 actives to all be town and tearing into each other simply because we're the only ones talking, while scum sits back and watches us go at it and destroy each other. Now don't get me wrong, I don't have town reads on you or Eco, and you don't have one on me. But we don't likely have any kind of reads at all on several players in this game, and we need reads on everyone!

I'm leaning towards X, though if Vance is right and he's simply not paying attention, that could throw everything in the works. Still, we'll never know for sure unless we pressure him.

I suspect two things about X. Life has priority over posting and he doesnt appear that invested in the game. Translation...'simple' townfolk. Wake is being Wakey. Chad...I suspect Chad for the same reasons though less intense than I suspect Eco. both seemed anxious for an early banning.

Do you suspect Chad enough to vote for him? I suspect X's lurking enough to vote for him.

Unvote: Wake
Vote: X Factor

 

[roughdraft274]

I dont have much of substance at this point to offer. And I dont know whats going on with X, but his lack of posting seems more like 'life' not sneaky.

I COULD I suppose restate things every 10 posts just to make some sort of posting quota guideline. but why? Eco is my guy, based solely on HIS behaviors.

I wan't trying to throw you under the bus or insinuate that you're guilty because you aren't posting enough. I was just making the argument that I don't think I am in the "less active" category.

 

[The Mark]

Should you unvote and look elsewhere? YES!! This is not a game to played with hunches. You say that Tucker insists on logic and reason, but this is a game of logic and reason. Those are the tools used to play it. Just like you can't play tennis with a baseball bat, you can't play mafia based on hunches and gut feelings. My suggestion, for a while, has been to look at X, Mark, RD, and Vance, as they have been less active. Vance and RD have since stepped up in the last dozen pages and put in a good amount. So let's look at X and Mark. It would be all too simple for the 4 actives to all be town and tearing into each other simply because we're the only ones talking, while scum sits back and watches us go at it and destroy each other. Now don't get me wrong, I don't have town reads on you or Eco, and you don't have one on me. But we don't likely have any kind of reads at all on several players in this game, and we need reads on everyone!

I'm leaning towards X, though if Vance is right and he's simply not paying attention, that could throw everything in the works. Still, we'll never know for sure unless we pressure him.



Do you suspect Chad enough to vote for him? I suspect X's lurking enough to vote for him.

Unvote: Wake
Vote: X Factor

I'll go with X Factor as well for the moment.

My thinking is that when (or if) he returns, having multiple votes on him might cause/prompt him to respond in an interesting manner. This obviously assumes the runtime doesn't end before he returns.

At any rate...

Vote: X Factor

 

[roughdraft274]

Less active, not inactive. Don't worry, RD, just because you're on the less active list doesn't mean you're near the top. X is the least active by far and, while he doesn't have to post more often than once a week, that's not the pace this game is taking. We're at 400+ posts in 5 days. A person technically only has to post once within that time to count, but that's not going to cut it. Not that everyone needs to yell and scream, but those who have been sitting back should take some lead, and try to prove their theories. The most active players have had their turn in the spotlight. Now it's time for everyone else.

Really it comes down to 2 things. The less someone posts, the less there is of theirs to examine. It's more difficult to peg someone who doesn't post very much as scum or town, and since the conversation has been dominated so much by me, Eco, Wake, and Tucker, I just want the four of us to step back and let the rest of you talk for a while.

I get what you're saying, and your point is valid, but to me there is a thresh hold that I feel some have reached and some haven't. My thresh hold is "once we have our ban today and how ever many ban tonight, has this person responded, voted, and contributed enough to where I can get a feeling for that person on the next day?" I personally think I have hit that thresh hold. I have given my thoughts on multiple members, I've contributed my thought on the Eco/Pasch debate, I have voted numerous times and I have given my reasoning behind them. If I get banned tonight or today, and everyone sees that I turn up town, they will be able to look at my posts and answer the question "who would want him dead?" and if someone else turns up banned, you would be able to look at my posts and see if I wanted to go after that person, or if I generally sided with that person.

I don't think that X, VM or solaris have hit that mark yet.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Last time we tried pressuring X Factor, he said that banning him would be a BIG mistake. Wonder why? Nice to see we are finally investigating someone not named Pasch, Eco or Wake. Even so, I am not changing my vote just yet, unless it becomes necessary to get X to respond.

 

[Wake]

I too see that both Vancemack and X have been lurking. For now I'm going to Unvote and Vote: X Factor. It's bull**** there's 400+ posts and he's posted, what about 5 times? We need to use logic and reason, so right now I'm looking at X, Vance, and Chad. If memory serves in past games both Eco and MK were banned for barely contributing at all, too.

 

[roughdraft274]

Last time we tried pressuring X Factor, he said that banning him would be a BIG mistake. Wonder why? Nice to see we are finally investigating someone not named Pasch, Eco or Wake. Even so, I am not changing my vote just yet, unless it becomes necessary to get X to respond.

Right. There's enough votes on X for now in my opinion. I'll add mine later if he needs more pressure, but I don't want to add enough to where 2 scum can bounce on and eliminate a potential townie.

 

[Wake]

Hey, voting me off is BIG mistake.

Sorry, TheMark, I've been really scattered the last few days. I did visit the thread yesterday, but, at that time, there was only like a page and a half plus it was all the usual first day stuff, and I really didn't have anything to add. Admittedly, I did forget to check
back today earlier than now. I'm not gonna beg or anything. As soon as I'm voted off, you'll see what I said, though succinct, is entirely true.

Just did.

Guys, seriously can't blame you for voting for me. I have been neglectful. How many more do I need? Two more? Once I'm gone, look very seriously at the last two who hammer the nail in my coffin. I could see the hackers wanting to take advantage of this and finish me before anyone changes their mind.

If you really are the detective, I don't want to lose you, so I will unvote you for now.

unvote:Eco

Fine, prove it then.

Eco, to be clear, I don't think you're innocent at all. In fact, it looks to me like you've posted a whole lot of nothing. I only unvoted you out of caution but to me, you still sound more hack like than anyone else.

Btw, what did I not think through? My vote or my unvote?

Wouldn't be the first time someone claimed a power role to save their sorry ass from a lynching. :lol:

Tucker, not because I suspect him, but because I don't

Sorry, meant this as a reply to who I'd like to see investigated.

Are you and I playing the same game? You asked who we'd like to see investigated, and I said Tucker. You're claiming, now, that you investigating Tucker will get him killed if he proves to be town? The hacks already know who's town for the most part, at least they know who's on their own team and who's not. Scum just wants to kill everyone who's not.



I'm confused. You said the doc should protect him tonight, but also said that if he lives through the night, it means he's scum...

What do you mean, "if"? Thought you were sure. I'm also curious why you think the vig or anybody should do what you say.

In 400+ posts that's it. Tbh it reminds me of how he played last game. I want to know exactly why he thinks voting him off is a "BIG mistake." Is he bulletproof? And it looks like he wants to get rid of Eco, too. It wouldn't be surprising if he was Scum hiding in the shadows yet again. Let's see what he says.

 

[roughdraft274]

Right. There's enough votes on X for now in my opinion. I'll add mine later if he needs more pressure, but I don't want to add enough to where 2 scum can bounce on and eliminate a potential townie.

Sorry, I thought for some reason there were already 4 votes on him. Disregard my comment about "there's enough votes". I just meant to be kinda careful when putting that many votes on someone before they can respond.

 

[Tucker Case]

unvote: wake

I'm trying to minimize my posting, as I said I would earlier, so I'm going to be brief here. I'm unvoting wake partly because early on I said we should look at the quiet ones (it's why I voted for X early on) since scum tries to lay low much of the time and partly because his current turnaround towards being reasonable has me questionign whether or not it really was just an overly-emotional outburst last nigh.

I'm not ready to vote X just yet, but if he doesn't up his posting count, I might.

 

[Tucker Case]

In 400+ posts that's it. Tbh it reminds me of how he played last game. I want to know exactly why he thinks voting him off is a "BIG mistake." Is he bulletproof? And it looks like he wants to get rid of Eco, too. It wouldn't be surprising if he was Scum hiding in the shadows yet again. Let's see what he says.

Good point. He did play that same way last game, and he slipped by right up to the end of the game because of it.

 

[ecofarm]

I saw this post quite awhile back but never commented on it - at the time it felt wrong...


That's just not true - you cannot prove you are the Town Detective (or whatever this game calls it) unless you die, and if you die the point is moot in any case.

There is no "Must unvote" except for the innocent child.

Whatever dude. Logic dictates that I am unvoted. If you don't think so, then lead the charge. Perhaps you could begin by explaining how I could be the SK. haha. And I CAN prove it. If I live to tell you an investigation and it is a scum, and we ban him, and he is scum (especially on a team, not SK) - that's PROOF. So, I can prove it and the claim DOES require an unvote. Theorize all you want, but I'm bringin' tha real.

It is becoming obvious to me that Tucker is scum too. Once again, he's instantly on board with Pasch's plans.

I still cannot believe that Wake screwed up a good lynch (how self-destructive and selfish can someone be?); thus, I'd like to say: everyone can eat a crap.

 

[ecofarm]

early on I said we should look at the quiet ones (it's why I voted for X early on) since scum tries to lay low much of the time

But you call me irrational for doing the same. Or was it my vote for Pasch that was irrational?

 

[roughdraft274]

It is becoming obvious to me that Tucker is scum too. Once again, he's instantly on board with Pasch's plans.

I don't think it's odd he agree's with Pasch on this because Pasch actually made a good point. We were at a gridlock. It's time we quit spinning our wheels and refocus. It doesn't mean we have to ignore all that happened, I still in my gut think Pasch is most likely Scum, and I still think that chances are you're telling the truth, but I also think that there are people that have been able to float on by without giving up much info for us to go on. All of this debating is only helping town. If someone today is hinging everything on saying "I know this person is scum, lets get them!" and then the person that said that is voted off it lets us know what to think about the person he was accusing.

 

[VanceMack]

In 400+ posts that's it. Tbh it reminds me of how he played last game. I want to know exactly why he thinks voting him off is a "BIG mistake." Is he bulletproof? And it looks like he wants to get rid of Eco, too. It wouldn't be surprising if he was Scum hiding in the shadows yet again. Let's see what he says.

In these games it is a risk ANY TIME to speak on behalf of someone else...but...at that risk...look at when the last time X logged in. As of right now...

Last Seen Yesterday @ 09:19 AM
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Now...ban him for not contributing, fine, but it is disingenuous based on the FACTS to say he is 'lurking'.