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The U.S. was beset by denial and dysfunction as the coronavirus raged

jmotivator said:
No, he didn't. Though it is just in your political DNA to blame people for things they aren't guilty of if it can score some votes.
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Always gotta be DNA, huh?
 
Somerville said:
APRIL 2020

April 2nd - 6.6 million Americans file for unemployment.
April 3rd - Dow Jones closes at 21,052.53
April 4th - Virus cases 277,953 Deaths 7152
April 4th - "The models show hundreds of thousands of people are going to die and you know what I want to do? I want to come way under the model,' he said. 'The professionals did the models and I was never involved in a model. At least this kind of a model."
April 5th - Virus cases 320,828 Cases and 9,119 Deaths
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The foolishness of you propaganda is that it makes the assumption that the President only does 1 thing a day, or makes two statements.

That was a lot of work for such obvious nonsense.
 
Somerville said:
I'll disagree - a bit. Trump didn't personally kill anyone, that we know of. He, however, has aided and abetted the deaths of thousands.
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I lean personal responsibility.
 
digsbe said:
Cool, an opinion piece behind a paywall on a known liberal leaning/biased publication proclaiming Trump failed with a bunch of negative predictions on how the virus will play out in the US...

Based on the linked opinion piece I don't think Trump supporters need to internalize any kind of failure.
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Lulz. twump supporters are blind to any failures of their idiot god. There are no exceptions.
 
jmotivator said:
Well, your issues seem to be more nature than nurture.
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Does your cultist horsecrap always devolve to such, or is it more a hate thing.
 
ecofarm said:
Does your cultist horsecrap always devolve to such, or is it more a hate thing.
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That's a passel of mixed metaphors.

Your hate mongering accusing Trump of thousands of deaths is the issue.. so in that way sure, it's a hate thing.
 
jmotivator said:
The foolishness of you propaganda is that it makes the assumption that the President only does 1 thing a day, or makes two statements.

That was a lot of work for such obvious nonsense.
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OH, wise one, please inform this lowly person. HOW the F*** does a list of Trump's actions and words make "the assumption that the President only does 1 thing a day"? Yeah, we know he's a lazy bastard who tweets inane comments late into the night, doesn't show up in the Oval Office until near Noon but how does the list - which you haven't refuted or denied - say that's the only thing the man did on the days provided?

Attempted deflection? Moving goal posts?
 
jmotivator said:
The foolishness of you propaganda is that it makes the assumption that the President only does 1 thing a day, or makes two statements.

That was a lot of work for such obvious nonsense.
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They have buried their heads in the anti-Trump echo chamber, for sure.
Comparing our response to the response of much small countries is just insane partisanship.

Trump, along with his team, has worked tirelessly for months but to hear them tell it, they've all done nothing.
The comprehensive timeline beginning Dec. 31st says differently The list is readily able to be fact-checked, but the anti-Trumps would rather spin fantasy than check out the accuracy of the timeline.
 
jmotivator said:
That's a passel of mixed metaphors.

Your hate mongering accusing Trump of thousands of deaths is the issue.. so in that way sure, it's a hate thing.
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You're accusing members of having bad DNA. What kind of a reach is that.
 
jmotivator said:
As much as your side foot stamps and screams, it does not erase the internet which has ample evidence that the Democrats, and their friends in the press, not the President, were the actual holdouts. It is the NY Democrats, not the President, that is to blame for NYC's condition, not the President. Well after the President was taking decisive action, the government of NY state and NY city were in such denial that they were issuing advice to ignore the Trump administration's guidelines.

The press continued to fault Trump for his action to slow the growth until they could no longer deny the fact, at which point they then did a 180 and began to fault Trump for lack of action.

It's a disgusting, political hack job by the incompetent Democrats and their allies in the media, and they should be ashamed. But they aren't, they are now just backing Chinese propaganda because they hope it will help Biden in the election.
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Is Trump the President or not? Does Trump direct the executive branch or not? Did the executive branch fail to defend our citizens by acquiring enough ventilators, PPE, and test kits, or not?

The disgusting political hack job is being done by your ilk. You continue to distract people from Trump's competence because you guys cannot handle the reality that Trump is an incompetent idiot who is unfit for office.
 
trixare4kids said:
Trump, along with his team, has worked tirelessly for months but to hear them tell it, they've all done nothing.
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This is such an unbelievable crock of ****.

And you're quoting his website, his campaign website! I can't believe it! You won't even go to the trouble of copying and pasting a link to Breitbart or OANN! LOL!

How can you not understand that this is pure propaganda?!?

You ARE a true believer! No wonder you keep saying, "Trump is not incompetent. Leave him ALONE!"

Do you have Trump "gold" card? LOL!

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This is so stupid!

You people will believe anything.
 
pragmatic said:
Well there you go. Donald Trump isn't a very good leader. (and it is painful watching him drone on in these press conferences.)

But specifically what would you have (realistically) done differently as this all evolved? When exactly did the magic eight-ball predict the need to increase manufacturing of masks and ventilators? Numbers, numbers, numbers. They are so easy to project after the fact.

Have heard some posters on other forums claim they would have "declared a US national emergency" on January 21st!! How about you...??
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Well, our pandemic response team would certainly have gone into action in December doing preparedness assessment. They most likely would have done what south Korea did and get business together to start working on testing. So we could have used that testing to "stay ahead". As SK was successful in doing.

It was this that allowed SK to get ahead of it like they did.

Instead, the CDC took control of all testing, creating an obvious bottleneck. (But allowing numbers reporting to be controlled?) Then their test failed to work.

And there was no pandemic response team because Bolton disbanded it.

Responsibility for all of this will be assigned by the data that is already out there.

His entry in the history books is already written.
 
Deuce said:
Well, for one I would have stressed from the start the need to take this very seriously. It's not just actions that matter. He's the president. His words affect the behavior of millions. Trump used those words to tell millions of his cultist followers that everything is fine, this is just a flu. Go about your business. He did that for weeks. Very critical weeks.

As for these "after the fact" numbers? They were always there. Anyone who actually understands the math knew this was happening all along. Over and over people kept comparing the current death tally to things like car crashes and the flu. I've been trying to convince people for a couple months now that death count is an indicator that lags behind three full weeks, and on a virus that is spreading exponentially that's very bad.

This actually was predictable before the fact. People did predict it. Actual experts were trying to get you to listen the entire time. You didn't listen. Trump didn't listen.
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One group certainly still working is conservative narrative managers.

They've floated some doozies lately. Most of which seem to be trying to lay blame for the virus elsewhere while trying to separate its existence from trump's response.

We have learned one thing for certain:

trump's gut is ignorant AF.
 
ecofarm said:
The US went from 250/m to pushing 1000/m in under a week. Currently 900/m and climbing.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 1,162,727 Cases and 62,488 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

Your graph shows the US progressing from near 0 to 10/m. How old is that graph? I suspect it's a prediction from long ago.


From Mar 26:




Currently 24 deaths / m pop.



Edit: I see, your graph is total deaths per million population.

We went from 4 to 24 since Mar 26.
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Seems like a lot of people never heard that parable of the rice and the chessboard:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjADegQICxAT&usg=AOvVaw3vzIWaptQ67FB2QJHyXPrY
 
trixare4kids said:
Not true no matter how much you spin this stupid thread, Trump is not an incompetent moron.
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and yet you claim to live on the same planet where I reside -- DNC List: 110 Trump ‘failures’ at 2-year mark, ‘only getting worse’ Jan 2019

Donald Trump’s Business Failures: A (almost) Complete Guide
  1. Trump University
    2 Trump Airlines
    3 Trump Vodka
    4 Trump Magazine
    5 Trump Steaks
    6 Trump Mortgage
    7 Trump Casinos
    8 Trump: The Game (copy of Monopoly with his properties on the gameboard)
    9 GoTrump.com (travel website)

Here's one most people don't know - the New Jersey Generals football team
 
apdst said:
The entire world failed, by your logic. Did the entire world fail?
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South Korea didn't fail.

Hell, California appears to have "flattened the curve" to the point where we'll peak without exceeding our medical capacities. (It'll be close, but not a "runaway" like we're seeing elsewhere.)
 
What if...? said:
South Korea didn't fail.

Hell, California appears to have "flattened the curve" to the point where we'll peak without exceeding our medical capacities. (It'll be close, but not a "runaway" like we're seeing elsewhere.)
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South Korea doesn't have 350,000,000 people, either.
 
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