The Truth-O-Meter report card on Glenn Beck

[TacticalEvilDan]

So you didn't make this post?

Of course I did, and you will note that I didn't go anywhere near accusing Beck of hurting anyone personally.

 

[Conservative]

if you could actually point them out, i would be able to examine them
but you can't
which causes me to conclude you are doing nothing more than posting the talking points of the gop spin machine

LOL, yep, no facts, we don't have 15.8 million unemployed Americans with growing numbers each month of 2010, we don't have another 3 trillion added to the debt, We don't have 1.6% economic growth in our recovery summer, we don't have Iran and North Korea thumbing their noses at the Obama apologies, we don't have massive growth in the size of govt, and we don't have a President out of touch with reality, Sorry but the spin is someone who calls themselves an independent then ignores, bea.gov, bls.gov, and the U.S. Treasury sites for their non partisan data.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

Yea, that and the mating habits unicorns. giggle giggle

That's totally worth a government grant!

TED,
Always wanted to see two unicorns doin' the wild thang.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

LOL, yep, no facts, we don't have 15.8 million unemployed Americans with growing numbers each month of 2010, we don't have another 3 trillion added to the debt, We don't have 1.6% economic growth in our recovery summer, we don't have Iran and North Korea thumbing their noses at the Obama apologies, we don't have massive growth in the size of govt, and we don't have a President out of touch with reality, Sorry but the spin is someone who calls themselves an independent then ignores, bea.gov, bls.gov, and the U.S. Treasury sites for their non partisan data.

Thanks for proving his point. :lol:

 

[Conservative]

Of course I did, and you will note that I didn't go anywhere near accusing Beck of hurting anyone personally.

Well, then on a thread about Glenn Beck, who were you talking about? Who is hurting someone personally?

 

[Conservative]

Thanks for proving his point. :lol:

What I proved is that Obama supporters don't want actual facts and prefer their own opinions. I gave you the sites for the economic data, prove that data wrong.

 

[randel]

Another good question would be: Why does Beck have to hurt someone personally before that person has a legitimate complaint about the fact that Beck is part of the problem in American politics?

ever since beck move over to Fox, he has become a mini-hannity

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

What I proved is that Obama supporters don't want actual facts and prefer their own opinions. I gave you the sites for the economic data, prove that data wrong.

My point isn't that the data is wrong, my point is that rather than having an actual discussion with someone all you ever do is try to slap people around with a mountain of numbers which you oversimplify the everloving crap out of it.

we don't have 15.8 million unemployed Americans

We have no freaking idea how many people are unemployed. We can't even count heads efficiently at this point.

we don't have another 3 trillion added to the debt

You mean the mechanism that Presidents of both parties have been using increasingly over the last century to extract money out of the pockets of the American people without being honest enough to tax it into the treasury?

We don't have 1.6% economic growth in our recovery summer

You'd rather the economy simply imploded? :lol:

we don't have Iran and North Korea thumbing their noses at the Obama apologies

I wasn't aware that Obama apologized to either of those nations. In fact, didn't Obama refuse to apologize to Iran on a few different occasions?

we don't have massive growth in the size of govt

Of course we do, it's been expanding rapidly under the leadership of Presidents from both parties.

we don't have a President out of touch with reality

They're ALL out of touch with reality.

 

[randel]

My point isn't that the data is wrong, my point is that rather than having an actual discussion with someone all you ever do is try to slap people around with a mountain of numbers which you oversimplify the everloving crap out of it.



We have no freaking idea how many people are unemployed. We can't even count heads efficiently at this point.



You mean the mechanism that Presidents of both parties have been using increasingly over the last century to extract money out of the pockets of the American people without being honest enough to tax it into the treasury?



You'd rather the economy simply imploded? :lol:



I wasn't aware that Obama apologized to either of those nations. In fact, didn't Obama refuse to apologize to Iran on a few different occasions?



Of course we do, it's been expanding rapidly under the leadership of Presidents from both parties.



They're ALL out of touch with reality.

excellent post....quite a bit of truth to what you say, both sides of the aisle need to be honest about it, and admit that it isnt just one party screwing the pooch, that they both have a hand in the situation the country is in.

 

[Barbbtx]

Somebody please tell me why the left, not just here, but all over the internet are trying to destroy this man?
I've never seen so much hate in my life.
What is wrong with you people.
I stick up for Glenn the same way I would anybody who was being lied about the way Glenn is.
BTW Fox News Sunday is covering the rally right now. i think they are going to have glenn on.
Channel 4

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

Somebody please tell me why the left, not just here, but all over the internet are trying to destroy this man?
I've never seen so much hate in my life.
What is wrong with you people.

Somebody please tell me why the right, not just here, but all over the internet are trying to characterize the left as if it were one unified organism?
I've never seen so much painting with a broad brush in my life.
What is wrong with you people.

 

[Grim17]

Somebody please tell me why the right, not just here, but all over the internet are trying to characterize the left as if it were one unified organism?
I've never seen so much painting with a broad brush in my life.
What is wrong with you people.

Obama agenda = Pelosi agenda
Pelosi agenda = Reid agenda
Reid agenda = Obama agenda

You all on the left keep defending these people, while at the same time attacking relentlessly anyone in the media that opposes those clowns.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

Obama agenda = Pelosi agenda
Pelosi agenda = Reid agenda
Reid agenda = Obama agenda

Nice strawman, but even were I to agree with you, three people do not the political agenda of an entire end of the spectrum make.

You all on the left keep defending these people, while at the same time attacking relentlessly anyone in the media that opposes those clowns.

I wasn't defending them, and I'm not "on the left."

 

[hazlnut]

PolitiFact | The Truth-O-Meter report card on Glenn Beck



"The government is trying to now close the Lincoln Memorial for any kind of large gatherings."




Glenn Beck, Monday, June 28th, 2010.
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He and Palin have that in common -- they both think playing fast and loose with the facts won't catch up with you.

 

[FilmFestGuy]

Somebody please tell me why the left, not just here, but all over the internet are trying to destroy this man?
I've never seen so much hate in my life.
What is wrong with you people.
I stick up for Glenn the same way I would anybody who was being lied about the way Glenn is.
BTW Fox News Sunday is covering the rally right now. i think they are going to have glenn on.
Channel 4

Why do you feel the need to defend him so much? He's a public figure. It comes with the territory.

Get of his knob and look at him with clear eyes instead of worshiping at his altar and you might see that there isn't much there to defend.

Find one post where I get all weepy when people complain about Michael Moore or Keith Olbermann? The closest you'll get is that I will tell people to calm down about Rachel Maddow, because she generally doesn't shout and actually lets conservatives come on and defend themselves, which makes her a tad bit better than most of the gas-bag ilk - but she's still of that ilk.

I couldn't give two hoots about Beck. What I'm sick of are people like him (regardless of stripe) thinking that they're doing anything for this nation other than furthering the ever-growing divide and profiting off of it by spreading conspiracy theories, half-truths, and occasionally flat-out lies.

 

[Barbbtx]

He and Palin have that in common -- they both think playing fast and loose with the facts won't catch up with you.

They have more integrity, honesty and love for this country than the President has in his little toe.

 

[Barbbtx]

ever since beck move over to Fox, he has become a mini-hannity

Yea, isn't Hannity great? He's a really nice family man, loves this country and does a lot for charity. He's an all around good Catholic boy.

 

[Conservative]

TacticalEvilDan;1058950473]My point isn't that the data is wrong, my point is that rather than having an actual discussion with someone all you ever do is try to slap people around with a mountain of numbers which you oversimplify the everloving crap out of it.

It is very simple, employment numbers come from BLS.gov and seemed to be good enough when Clinton was in office and showed growth but not good enough now when Obama is in office.. The actual people who are unemployed aren't numbers and those people get it. No President can grow the economy and jobs without promoting the private sector. Public sector jobs are all that has grown in significant numbers and all those people do is grow debt. It does seem that Obama supporters only like numbers that support their point of view and most of those come from inaccurate predictions, not verifiable facts.

We have no freaking idea how many people are unemployed. We can't even count heads efficiently at this point.

The only source available is bls.gov although you can get area numbers from the chamber of commerce. By the way we can also get numbers from those collecting unemployment. Seems to me that you just don't like the numbers available.

You mean the mechanism that Presidents of both parties have been using increasingly over the last century to extract money out of the pockets of the American people without being honest enough to tax it into the treasury?

Interesting that you seem to care more about how much gets into the Treasury than how that money is actually spent. What specific mechanism?

You'd rather the economy simply imploded? :lol:

The economy is imploding thanks to the empty suit with no leadership skills. He is good at campaigning and telling you what you want to hear but very poor at implimentation of a good economic policy, which obviously he doesn't have.

I wasn't aware that Obama apologized to either of those nations. In fact, didn't Obama refuse to apologize to Iran on a few different occasions?

I didn't mention those nations specifically but he did apologize to the Arab world and for what? Freeing 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq including millions of women who were targeted for brutality.

Of course we do, it's been expanding rapidly under the leadership of Presidents from both parties.

Name for me any other President in history that had trillion dollar deficits?

They're ALL out of touch with reality.

Most are, thus term limits and kicking out the Democrats that created this mess and Republicans that cannot get back to the basic principles of our Founders.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

It is very simple, employment numbers come from BLS.gov and seemed to be good enough when Clinton was in office and showed growth but not good enough now when Obama is in office..

Unless you can find me actually saying any such thing, take a hike.

The only source available is bls.gov although you can get area numbers from the chamber of commerce. By the way we can also get numbers from those collecting unemployment. Seems to me that you just don't like the numbers available.

No, it's more like there's no reliable source because we haven't figured out how to count people, much less how to count who does or does not have a job.

Interesting that you seem to care more about how much gets into the Treasury than how that money is actually spent. What specific mechanism?

The mechanism you specifically mentioned -- debt.

The economy is imploding thanks to the empty suit with no leadership skills. He is good at campaigning and telling you what you want to hear but very poor at implimentation of a good economic policy, which obviously he doesn't have.

No, the economy is in the state it's in thanks to the irresponsibility of the force conservatives keep telling us to trust -- the free market. The government is trying to clean up the mess, and the result has as much to do with the magnitude of the problem and the limits of the government's ability to manipulate the economy directly as it does with incompetence.

I didn't mention those nations specifically

Yes you did. You specifically mentioned North Korea and Iran. I quoted the post where you did so. Please do not lie.

Name for me any other President in history that had trillion dollar deficits?

That's a loaded question, both because deficit spending is a practice which has become the norm more and more over the course of time and because inflation makes a face-value metric meaningless.

 

[randel]

Yea, isn't Hannity great? He's a really nice family man, loves this country and does a lot for charity. He's an all around good Catholic boy.

i'm sure he is a good family man, loves his country and does work for charity, he is also a very partisan political hack....beck used to be a tad more to the center before he came over to foxnews...used to dish out abuse to both sides....not so much anymore, mostly his ire is directed towards the left, probably in his contract that he has to be that way.

 

[PeteEU]

So, give me your qualifications to make that diagnois? All I ever see from you are opinions being passed off as fact. The facts support his position and I have posted facts over and over again. You don't seem to really understand true facts vs. opinions.

So you refuse to answer my questions, and instead attack the commentator.. classic right wing avoidance attack.

 

[BDBoop]

Because he is an American and has the right to do what he is doing and because I believe he is right regarding Obama and the direction this country is going. The facts support him.

Okay, ya lost me on that last sentence.

 

[Conservative]

Unless you can find me actually saying any such thing, take a hike.



No, it's more like there's no reliable source because we haven't figured out how to count people, much less how to count who does or does not have a job.



The mechanism you specifically mentioned -- debt.



No, the economy is in the state it's in thanks to the irresponsibility of the force conservatives keep telling us to trust -- the free market. The government is trying to clean up the mess, and the result has as much to do with the magnitude of the problem and the limits of the government's ability to manipulate the economy directly as it does with incompetence.



Yes you did. You specifically mentioned North Korea and Iran. I quoted the post where you did so. Please do not lie.



That's a loaded question, both because deficit spending is a practice which has become the norm more and more over the course of time and because inflation makes a face-value metric meaningless.

you are all over the board, it is very easy to count the number of people getting unemployment checks and it is very easy to administer the Household Survey as both are compiled by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Interesting that the polling numbers are so bad for Obama and his policies since according to you we cannot count effectively the number of unemployed. Apparently those being polled don't get it either.

 

[BDBoop]

Somebody please tell me why the left, not just here, but all over the internet are trying to destroy this man?
I've never seen so much hate in my life.
What is wrong with you people.
I stick up for Glenn the same way I would anybody who was being lied about the way Glenn is.
BTW Fox News Sunday is covering the rally right now. i think they are going to have glenn on.
Channel 4

Dear Barb;

It is because The Emperor is wearing no clothes. Most of America knows this.

Hope that helps!

BD

 

[Conservative]

Okay, ya lost me on that last sentence.

Of course I lost you on that one and usually lose all Obama supporters when I dare point out actual verifiable numbers. Seems you have no real interest in the facts and continue to promote the rhetoric of Obama who just this past week said, "I am more confident than ever that we are headed in the right direction" as the economy took a dip this last quarter and unemployment is up each month of this year. Maybe that is the direction he intended to take this country. Wonder if that is the direction his supporters thought he meant during the campaign. My bet is that many did and hope for more massive expansion of govt. paid for by the 53% of the workers in this country that actually pay income taxes. Is that your vision as well?