The Trans Bathroom issue easily explained.

[dirtpoorchris]

And you think criminals intent on molesting children in bathrooms will abide by the ban?



A right to fear and legislate by that fear! :lamo

It's also ok for whites to fear blacks and exclude them from neighborhoods?

I guess you are kinda right. Open season for men in the girls bathroom would result mostly in pervs hovering around the perimeter but probably not raping. If they were a rapist they probably would have done it already without the law.

 

[Jane]

No, I'm cisgender and still talking about the same topic. I am not talking about how someone dresses, except as it relates to transgender people who use the bathroom.

Cisgender is a meaningless term and I don't use it. I was born as a female. And I am now an adult woman. I don't have a gender.

Edit: unless you consider "woman" a gender. Either way, there's no need to define me as cis.
2nd edit: 99% of the over half of the human population that is female can be described this way. No need for cis.

 

[ecofarm]

I don't have a gender.

:lamo

 

[Jane]

:lamo

:2wave: :lamo

 

[X Factor]

Cisgender is a meaningless term and I don't use it. I was born as a female. And I am now an adult woman. I don't have a gender.

Edit: unless you consider "woman" a gender. Either way, there's no need to define me as cis.
2nd edit: 99% of the over half of the human population can be described this way. No need for cis.

I reject the "cis" thing too and consider it an insult. What's interesting though is that some (but by no means all) of the very same people who argue for respecting the the choices of others and how they want themselves referred, still want to insist on using terminology like that, even when it's made clear that it is not welcome.

 

[Celebrity]

Cisgender is a meaningless term and I don't use it. I was born as a female. And I am now an adult woman. I don't have a gender.

Edit: unless you consider "woman" a gender. Either way, there's no need to define me as cis.
2nd edit: 99% of the over half of the human population that is female can be described this way. No need for cis.

I didn't define you as cis and your vapid response is enough of an explanation of why you thought I was talking about playing dress-up when you said I switched.

 

[ecofarm]

:2wave: :lamo

Everyone has a gender.

Gender as a social construct are the expectations assigned, by society, to people according to their biological sex, age and other categories.

Even in the simpleton definition of gender (gender = biological sex), you have one.

 

[X Factor]

:lamo

To be fair, "gender" has become a pretty nebulous term and sometimes seems subject to minute to minute whim so I can see where some might see it as basically meaningless. I have learned from here that I need to use the term "sex" to be more precise, like asking what the sex of a baby is, rather than the gender.

 

[TheGoverness]

To be fair, "gender" has become a pretty nebulous term and sometimes seems subject to minute to minute whim so I can see where some might see it as basically meaningless. I have learned from here that I need to use the term "sex" to be more precise, like asking what the sex of a baby is, rather than the gender.

You talking about the 500+ genders people make up on Tumblr?

 

[ecofarm]

To be fair, "gender" has become a pretty nebulous term and sometimes seems subject to minute to minute whim so I can see where some might see it as basically meaningless. I have learned from here that I need to use the term "sex" to be more precise, like asking what the sex of a baby is, rather than the gender.

The simpleton definition is biological sex.

The educated definition is the roles assigned to people according to various defining characteristics.

Pick either, everyone has a gender.

 

[Jane]

I didn't define you as cis and your vapid response is enough of an explanation of why you thought I was talking about playing dress-up when you said I switched.

Okay. If your response to my explaining why I don't use a term that you use is a "vapid response," then there's really no point in talking to you further. See ya!

 

[X Factor]

You talking about the 500+ genders people make up on Tumblr?

Didn't know it was that many (and maybe you're being sarcastic, it's hard to tell in writing sometimes) but yes, that's exactly what I mean. I had heard of someone who wanted to be referred to individually as "they" because he/she (I don't remember off the top of my head) felt there were several people residing in his or her body.

 

[X Factor]

The simpleton definition is biological sex.

The educated definition is the roles assigned to people according to various defining characteristics.

Pick either, everyone has a gender.

Sorry, I've been too well trained to support your archaic and bigoted notion that biological sex has any thing at all to do with gender.

 

[TheGoverness]

Didn't know it was that many (and maybe you're being sarcastic, it's hard to tell in writing sometimes) but yes, that's exactly what I mean. I had heard of someone who wanted to be referred to individually as "they" because he/she (I don't remember off the top of my head) felt there were several people residing in his or her body.

Your right, I was being sarcastic, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if there were actually that many made up genders.

Here's a funny reference I found:

 

[Jane]

The simpleton definition is biological sex.

The educated definition is the roles assigned to people according to various defining characteristics.

Pick either, everyone has a gender.

I fear you still don't understand the difference.

We are a sexually dimorphic species. 99.9% of the human race is born as one of two biological sexes, male or female. Some intersex people develop anomalies in utero so this may not apply to them, but most of them are still assigned a sex and raised and socialized as this sex.

Do you see the difference between that and gender now? It's not a pick one or the other kind of thing. You're not a science denier are you.

 

[ecofarm]

Sorry, I've been too well trained to support your archaic and bigoted notion that biological sex has any thing at all to do with gender.

I'm so proud of you. It's true that sex alone does not define gender. Only simpletons think gender is biological sex. Gender is much more than that. Gender includes heterosexual, homosexual, young, middle aged, old, etc. All of these defining characteristics are assigned expectations (gender) by society.

 

[ecofarm]

Do you see the difference between that and gender now? It's not a pick one or the other kind of thing. You're not a science denier are you.

Gender is a lot more than biological sex. Definitely not a science denier. My PhD(c) (Interdisciplinary Ecology) specialization is Gender. See my post above.

 

[instagramsci]

You talking about the 500+ genders people make up on Tumblr?

all genders are made up

 

[TheGoverness]

all genders are made up

All except 2.

 

[instagramsci]

All except 2.

you may be confusing sex with gender, and even at that point you'd probably still be wrong as no small amount of people have features of both "sexes"

 

[TheGoverness]

you may be confusing sex with gender, and even at that point you'd probably still be wrong as no small amount of people have features of both "sexes"

Eh, maybe I am.

I get the two confused quite often.

 

[instagramsci]

its unsettling though unsurprising how much people treat differences between "little boys" and "little girls" or really even adults as innate genetic differences instead of conditioned psycho-social responses. easier to plug your ears and say "nanananana" i guess

 

[instagramsci]

(I don't remember off the top of my head) felt there were several people residing in his or her body.

sounds more like dissociative identity disorder than transness, but idk if they're necessarily mutually exclusive

 

[X Factor]

I'm so proud of you. It's true that sex alone does not define gender. Only simpletons think gender is biological sex. Gender is much more than that. Gender includes heterosexual, homosexual, young, middle aged, old, etc. All of these defining characteristics are assigned expectations (gender) by society.

I'm still appalled at your continued and offensive insistence on using biological sex anywhere in conjunction with gender. What are you? A caveman? I will say that I had no idea that those things you listed were all genders. We're gonna need a lot more bathrooms signs.

 

[Jane]

Gender is a lot more than biological sex. Definitely not a science denier. My PhD(c) (Interdisciplinary Ecology) specialization is Gender. See my post above.

Still you link the two? How about naming some gender traits as you see them and tell us which ones are biologically determined. Now, on the flip side, can you tell us ANY part of biological (Male/Female) sex that is culturally determined? [Please, god, let him recognize the answer to that last one is 'no.' Where's the 'praying' smiley when I need it?]