The Swedish experiment of doing remarkably little about Covid-19

[code1211]

Swedish people have been enjoying the summer time with practically no restrictions with regard to Covid and the delta variant, which has been the dominant strain in Sweden "for quite some time." By the way, no one child that went to school last year, which remained open, has died of Covid in Sweden. As the article title say “Live goes on.”

Interesting.

It seems to be more apparent every day the if the US didn't have its major political parties, it wouldn't have most of the problems it has.

 

[PeteEU]

Interesting.

It seems to be more apparent every day the if the US didn't have its major political parties, it wouldn't have most of the problems it has.

Sorry but you can't compare Sweden to the US... socially, politically and mentally they are sooooo different.

Sweden by far has had more Covid cases than its direct neighbours, who are comparable on pretty much every level.

The Swedish government has put restrictions in many times when hospitals were overwhelmed. As it stands now the wave in Europe minus the UK is on its way down and as usual the Nordic countries have been relatively less hit than its Southern cousins.

The reasoning is the social aspect of society. In Sweden you don't meet up a minimum of once a week with ALL the family. Most families in Spain, Italy and so on, meet several times a week and many live together with Grand parents. And in the costs of going out are insane in Scandinavia Vs Southern Europe and the. In these 2 points you have two of, if not the primary reasons for the differences between Scandinavia countries Vs pretty much everyone else in the Western world.

Take Denmark Vs Sweden. Politically, socially and economically almost identical. Denmark locked down and put in place a massive testing system that meant every person got tested twice a week. Our infection rate and death rate has been dwarfed by the Swedes who did little. Denmark has had 2600 deaths, Sweden almost 15000. Yes Sweden's population is double of Denmark's...

 

[code1211]

Sorry but you can't compare Sweden to the US... socially, politically and mentally they are sooooo different.

Sweden by far has had more Covid cases than its direct neighbours, who are comparable on pretty much every level.

The Swedish government has put restrictions in many times when hospitals were overwhelmed. As it stands now the wave in Europe minus the UK is on its way down and as usual the Nordic countries have been relatively less hit than its Southern cousins.

The reasoning is the social aspect of society. In Sweden you don't meet up a minimum of once a week with ALL the family. Most families in Spain, Italy and so on, meet several times a week and many live together with Grand parents. And in the costs of going out are insane in Scandinavia Vs Southern Europe and the. In these 2 points you have two of, if not the primary reasons for the differences between Scandinavia countries Vs pretty much everyone else in the Western world.

Take Denmark Vs Sweden. Politically, socially and economically almost identical. Denmark locked down and put in place a massive testing system that meant every person got tested twice a week. Our infection rate and death rate has been dwarfed by the Swedes who did little. Denmark has had 2600 deaths, Sweden almost 15000. Yes Sweden's population is double of Denmark's...

Deaths per million of population, US has posted to date 1,995. Within that, New Jersey was over 3,000 and Vermont was about 450. Every state responded to covid at the state and local levels.

Denmark 445.

Sweden 1,440.

Italy 2,144.

The methodology to count who died of Covid and who died while they were infected but might have died of something else is up in the air according to what the country in question decided to use as their metric. Seems odd.

Flu and Pneumonia deaths were way down in 2020. Covid deaths obviously were way up. Seems odd.

What seems to have been a HUGE problem in this and seems to still be a huge problem is the political aspects of this. What and who the virus didn't kill the politicians did. Seems odd.

We will likely NEVER know what actually happened and how it happened. What is obvious is denied by the folks who claim the mantle of knowledge. Those in the positions to challenge authorities do not challenge. Seems odd.

Here in the US, the Republican President of the US was previously cited by our media as the progenitor of Covid. The Democrat President of the US is cited as being disconnected entirely from Covid causations. Seems odd.

 

[Sandokan]

Sweden has escaped a second coronavirus wave so far. The question is why

Sweden spared new coronavirus surge but it's unclear why - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)


Coworkers in Stockholm have a drink after work in June.
(TT News Agency)

BY ASSOCIATED PRESS

SEPT. 21, 2020 2:03 AM PT

STOCKHOLM —

A train pulls into the Odenplan subway station in central Stockholm, where morning commuters without masks get off or board before settling in to read their smartphones.

Whether on trains or trams, in supermarkets or shopping malls — places where face masks are commonly worn in much of the world — Swedes go about their lives without them.

When most of Europe locked down their populations early in the COVID-19 pandemic by closing schools, restaurants, gyms and even borders, Swedes kept enjoying many freedoms. The government’s relatively low-key approach to imposing restrictions captured the world’s attention, but it also coincided with a per capita death rate that was much higher other Nordic countries’.

Now, as coronavirus infection numbers surge again in much of Europe, Sweden — a country of 10 million people — has some of the lowest numbers of new cases and only 14 COVID-19 patients in intensive care.

Whether this is due to the Swedish government’s strategy, however, is still uncertain.
Click link above for full article.

More and more the Sweden approach to the coronavirus looks like the right one, it is succeeding. One of the world’s leading epidemiologists, Johan Giesecke, gave a very blunt assessment of why he thinks Sweden’s approach is the right way to attack the COVID-19 problem. He says: That lockdown policies are not evidence-based. The correct policy is to protect the old and the frail only, eventually leading to herd immunity. Covid-19 is a “mild disease” and similar to the flu, and it was the novelty of the disease that scared people. The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 is the region of 0.1%.

Why lockdowns are the wrong policy - Swedish expert Prof. Johan Giesecke
Video link: (105) Why lockdowns are the wrong policy - Swedish expert Prof. Johan Giesecke - YouTube

 

[Sandokan]

Sweden, Denmark pause Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups | Reuters

Reuters, October 6, 2021

STOCKHOLM, Oct 6 (Reuters) - Sweden and Denmark said on Wednesday they are pausing the use of Moderna's (MRNA.O) COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups after reports of possible rare cardiovascular side effects.

The Swedish health agency said it would pause using the shot for people born in 1991 and later as data pointed to an increase of myocarditis and pericarditis among youths and young adults that had been vaccinated. Those conditions involve an inflammation of the heart or its lining.

"The connection is especially clear when it comes to Moderna's vaccine Spikevax, especially after the second dose," the health agency said, adding the risk of being affected was very small.
Click link above for full article.

The pause using the vaccine for people under 30 years of aged is a reasonable step to take, in view of the increase risk of myocarditis on young people. Natural immunity is the best course of action. This aged group recover in a short period from the virus, since they have a healthier immune systems and at the same time acquired future immunity.

 

[PeteEU]

The pause using the vaccine for people under 30 years of aged is a reasonable step to take, in view of the increase risk of myocarditis on young people. Natural immunity is the best course of action. This aged group recover in a short period from the virus, since they have a healthier immune systems and at the same time acquired future immunity.

Moderna is hardly used. Biontech is still given and most 30 year olds have been fully vaccinated in Denmark and Sweden...long ago

 

[code1211]

The pause using the vaccine for people under 30 years of aged is a reasonable step to take, in view of the increase risk of myocarditis on young people. Natural immunity is the best course of action. This aged group recover in a short period from the virus, since they have a healthier immune systems and at the same time acquired future immunity.

The tendency to homogenize all people into one undifferentiated blob when the virus OBVIOUSLY attacks a very few in far percentages than other groups provides an interesting revelation to anyone who is watching.

The virus attacks specific groups comprised of easily identified individuals. The aged, those with underlying conditions and those who are overweight.

The US Government, though, attacked EVERYONE regardless of the threat they are under saying it is a response to mitigate the virus.

The Virus attacks those that are old, fat and already sick while the Government attacks us all.

Interesting threats leveled by these two enemies of the people.

 

[Sandokan]

Sweden includes people aged 65 in Coronavirus booster jabs | MENAFN.COM

10/27/2021

(MENAFN)On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 the government of Sweden said the country will begin to provide Coronavirus booster jabs to health care employees and 65-year-old individuals and more to regulatory expand the third shots to all qualified groups throughout different periods of time.

Health Minister Lena Hallengren stated during a media briefing, "It is thanks to the fact that so many have been vaccinated that we can live our lives a little bit more as usual,” and added, "now we offer booster shots to 1.5 million more."

At a previous time, individuals in aging care houses and those at the age of 80 or older qualified for a booster jab six months following the second jab.

About 85 percent of all Sweden aged 16 and more have got one vaccine jab and 80 percent have had two or more jabs.

Good move by the Sweden government to provide coronavirus booster for the elderly and halt the use of Moderna vaccine for people age 30 and younger. Already 80% are fully vaccinated without forcing people to do it. Sweden approach is paying off.

 

[Sandokan]

How Sweden swerved Covid disaster WITHOUT lockdown | Daily Mail Online

• Figures show Sweden's confirmed Covid death rate (1,500 per million) lower than European average (1,800)
• When looking at excess mortality during the pandemic, Sweden ranks just 21st out of 31 European countries
• Sweden also has a lower infection rate (100 per million) currently than most EU nations that locked down

By CONNOR BOYD DEPUTY HEALTH EDITOR FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 14:04 EST, 8 November 2021 |

Sweden has suffered fewer Covid deaths than most of Europe and is still recording lower infection rates, according to figures that suggest its lockdown gamble has paid off.

The Scandinavian nation became an international outlier last year when it defied scientific advice and refused to follow the rest of the world in shutting down society to curb the virus' spread.

Not only has Sweden's economy bounced back faster than any other country in the EU, latest data shows that it has also fared better than most in terms of lives lost during the pandemic.

Sweden has suffered almost 1,500 confirmed Covid deaths per million people, according to Oxford University-based research platform Our World in Data, which is lower than the European average (1,800).
Click link above for full article.

Already in May 2020 Sweden’s chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell argued that “even if the country's comparatively permissive policies are an anomaly, they are more sustainable and effective in protecting the public's health than “drastic” moves like closing schools for four or five months…The goal is to slow down the amount of new people getting infected so that health care gets a reasonable chance to take care of them. And that's what we all do in every country in Europe. We just choose different methods to do it.”

Quarantine of the elderly and preexisting condition while at the same time low risk people practice the recommended guideline to reduce the spread of the coronavirus proved to be a reasonable method to handle the health crisis. Sweden strategy of a moderate approach instead of a complete lockdown, to take care of both economy and virus simultaneously, payoff in both cases, bringing socially and economically, a better outcome for the nation as a whole.

 

[code1211]

Already in May 2020 Sweden’s chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell argued that “even if the country's comparatively permissive policies are an anomaly, they are more sustainable and effective in protecting the public's health than “drastic” moves like closing schools for four or five months…The goal is to slow down the amount of new people getting infected so that health care gets a reasonable chance to take care of them. And that's what we all do in every country in Europe. We just choose different methods to do it.”

Quarantine of the elderly and preexisting condition while at the same time low risk people practice the recommended guideline to reduce the spread of the coronavirus proved to be a reasonable method to handle the health crisis. Sweden strategy of a moderate approach instead of a complete lockdown, to take care of both economy and virus simultaneously, payoff in both cases, bringing socially and economically, a better outcome for the nation as a whole.

Well said!

I have posted here before that allowing Anthony Fauci to dictate policy was like letting the cleaning woman dictate how to run a manufacturing facility.

Her advice might be useful, but not if she demanded that no production occur because it was just too messy.

 

[Peter King]

Well said!

I have posted here before that allowing Anthony Fauci to dictate policy was like letting the cleaning woman dictate how to run a manufacturing facility.

Her advice might be useful, but not if she demanded that no production occur because it was just too messy.

1. nonsense, he does not dictate, he advises (among other experts) and the government dictates how to run the asylum so to speak.

2. A Swedish virologist has said that her countries covid response that you think positively off has been scrapped by the Swedes almost a year ago

Eight months after the start of the global pandemic, Sweden is changing its COVID-19 strategy — but virologist Dr. Lena Einhorn says it's far too little, too late.

Last spring, as other countries went into lockdown, Swedish citizens were mostly living as usual. The government issued advice and guidance in place of rules and restrictions. School and work went ahead. Many businesses stayed open.

But as of Monday, Sweden's per capita death rate from COVID-19 was the 15th highest in the world, or 13th if you exclude the tiny countries of Andorra and San Marino, according to data from Time magazine and Johns Hopkins University.

Now Sweden is shifting its policy. According to the Telegraph, starting Monday, the government has empowered regional health authorities — in consultation with the federal public health agency — to instruct citizens to stay away from crowded spaces like shopping malls, museum, gyms, and concerts, and avoid taking public transport or visiting the elderly. However, there will be no legal or financial consequences for non-compliance.

Einhorn, a virologist, author and filmmaker in Sweden, is one dozens of medical experts who have been critical of the country's COVID-19 response from the start.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappen...has-failed-but-nobody-will-admit-it-1.5767967

And even the governments own report has stated that the Swedish covid response was: "Too slow and insufficient".

So no, you are wrong in your views on Sweden.

And if Fauci's advises would have been followed, there would most likely have been way less death in the US. Not being helped of course by some orange covid denier in the WH.

 

[code1211]

1. nonsense, he does not dictate, he advises (among other experts) and the government dictates how to run the asylum so to speak.

2. A Swedish virologist has said that her countries covid response that you think positively off has been scrapped by the Swedes almost a year ago


https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappen...has-failed-but-nobody-will-admit-it-1.5767967

And even the governments own report has stated that the Swedish covid response was: "Too slow and insufficient".

So no, you are wrong in your views on Sweden.

And if Fauci's advises would have been followed, there would most likely have been way less death in the US. Not being helped of course by some orange covid denier in the WH.

You may be confusing my post with those from others. I don't know. I did not mention Sweden's response or the restraint of their response in my post.

I posted in this forum as early as June 2020 that the victims of Covid were primarily identifiable by age and were age 60 and up: 92%.

This did not change until after the wide spread use of the vaccines.

In contrast to this fatality rate, kids aged 0 to 19 have maintained their percent of fatalities at <0.1% throughout the out break in the US.

The 8% of Covid Fatalities, those 59 years and younger, in the US are further specified by the other demographic tendencies measured: 94% have underlying conditions and 70% are overweight.

For the entire US population, demographic tendencies identify the fatalities as sharing these factors almost exclusively: 92% old, 94% have underlying conditions and 70% are overweight.

THERE WAS NO MYSTERY IN ANY OF THIS. BY JUNE 2020, ANYBODY LOOKING AT THIS KNEW WHO WAS THREATENED by the end of June, 2020.

Adequate information issued would have allowed the threatened to self identify. If you were old, had underlying conditions and were fat, YOU MUST ISOLATE AND WE'LL TRY TO HELP YOU.

If you are young, fit and not infirm, you are very likely good to go.

Instead of a rational and well reasoned approach, they followed the psychotically panicked advice of the "experts" and shut everything down.

We let the cleaning woman dictate policy.

In passing, out of the 782,983 US dead, take away the threatened demographics and you are left with 1,127.5 dead: 782,983 x .08 x .06 x .3.

The shut downs, closings, and all the rest were overreactions by "experts" amplified by the propagandists resulting in diabolical, malevolent, reactionary, myopic lunacies.

 

[Peter King]

You may be confusing my post with those from others. I don't know. I did not mention Sweden's response or the restraint of their response in my post.

I posted in this forum as early as June 2020 that the victims of Covid were primarily identifiable by age and were age 60 and up: 92%.

This did not change until after the wide spread use of the vaccines.

In contrast to this fatality rate, kids aged 0 to 19 have maintained their percent of fatalities at <0.1% throughout the out break in the US.

The 8% of Covid Fatalities, those 59 years and younger, in the US are further specified by the other demographic tendencies measured: 94% have underlying conditions and 70% are overweight.

For the entire US population, demographic tendencies identify the fatalities as sharing these factors almost exclusively: 92% old, 94% have underlying conditions and 70% are overweight.

THERE WAS NO MYSTERY IN ANY OF THIS. BY JUNE 2020, ANYBODY LOOKING AT THIS KNEW WHO WAS THREATENED by the end of June, 2020.

Adequate information issued would have allowed the threatened to self identify. If you were old, had underlying conditions and were fat, YOU MUST ISOLATE AND WE'LL TRY TO HELP YOU.

If you are young, fit and not infirm, you are very likely good to go.

Instead of a rational and well reasoned approach, they followed the psychotically panicked advice of the "experts" and shut everything down.

We let the cleaning woman dictate policy.

In passing, out of the 782,983 US dead, take away the threatened demographics and you are left with 1,127.5 dead: 782,983 x .08 x .06 x .3.

The shut downs, closings, and all the rest were overreactions by "experts" amplified by the propagandists resulting in diabolical, malevolent, reactionary, myopic lunacies.

When someone said something about Sweden (as you did) when someone described the Swedish concept of quarantining the elderly and not doing lockdowns etc. in a thread about Sweden, well then I respond about your cheering on of the Swedish concept and your comments about Fauci. Especially because the Swedes have since realized they were barking up the wrong tree.

 

[code1211]

When someone said something about Sweden (as you did) when someone described the Swedish concept of quarantining the elderly and not doing lockdowns etc. in a thread about Sweden, well then I respond about your cheering on of the Swedish concept and your comments about Fauci. Especially because the Swedes have since realized they were barking up the wrong tree.

You seem to have made various leaps from what I posted to what you wanted to post.

 

[Peter King]

You seem to have made various leaps from what I posted to what you wanted to post.

I clearly disagree, you hailed the Swedish approach and maligned Fauci. I showed that even Sweden now knows the method you hailed was the wrong one and it killed people that could have been saved.

 

[code1211]

I clearly disagree, you hailed the Swedish approach and maligned Fauci. I showed that even Sweden now knows the method you hailed was the wrong one and it killed people that could have been saved.

Ranked by total deaths, Sweden ranks 45.

Ranked by deaths per million, Sweden ranks 54.

Their Laissez Faire approach did not seem to to demonstrate extreme lethality beyond the actions imposed by those countries using more draconian methods.

If anything, among industrialized nations, they seem to be at least middle of the pack- maybe better than average.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 120,042,087 Cases and 2,659,118 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

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www.worldometers.info

 

[Peter King]

Ranked by total deaths, Sweden ranks 45.

Ranked by deaths per million, Sweden ranks 54.

Their Laissez Faire approach did not seem to to demonstrate extreme lethality beyond the actions imposed by those countries using more draconian methods.

If anything, among industrialized nations, they seem to be at least middle of the pack- maybe better than average.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 120,042,087 Cases and 2,659,118 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

Except they do not live in the middle of the pack, they live in the middle of Scandinavia, and as the middle of Scandinavia they ended dead last big time. You cannot easily compare countries in totally different areas of the world. You can compare it to your neighbors and compared to them they were awful.

 

[code1211]

Except they do not live in the middle of the pack, they live in the middle of Scandinavia, and as the middle of Scandinavia they ended dead last big time. You cannot easily compare countries in totally different areas of the world. You can compare it to your neighbors and compared to them they were awful.

I am only comparing outcomes.

What are you comparing?

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[CaughtInThe]

What Sweden really did was decide to sacrifice their some of their citizens up front hoping that it would pay off in the long run and they didn't factory in vaccines and such.

 

[Fledermaus]

Ranked by total deaths, Sweden ranks 45.

Ranked by deaths per million, Sweden ranks 54.

Their Laissez Faire approach did not seem to to demonstrate extreme lethality beyond the actions imposed by those countries using more draconian methods.

If anything, among industrialized nations, they seem to be at least middle of the pack- maybe better than average.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 120,042,087 Cases and 2,659,118 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

When compared with her peers Sweden failed.

Norway and Finland score in the 140 range last time I checked.

 

[code1211]

When compared with her peers Sweden failed.

Norway and Finland score in the 140 range last time I checked.

And Tonga is the best.

 

[Fledermaus]

And Tonga is the best.

Another irrelevancy by code1211.

Collect them all!

 

[code1211]

Another irrelevancy by code1211.

Collect them all!

I cited the effectiveness of Sweden's response or lack of one in the context of ALL nations and as compared to industrialized nations.

You seem to have rejected the context of those two universes and presented another so I used that universe in deference to you.

Accurate data culled from the universe you suggest is considered by you to be irrelevant.

Alrighty, then!

 

[CaughtInThe]

I cited the effectiveness of Sweden's response or lack of one in the context of ALL nations and as compared to industrialized nations.

You seem to have rejected the context of those two universes and presented another so I used that universe in deference to you.

Accurate data culled from the universe you suggest is considered by you to be irrelevant.

Alrighty, then!