The Second American Civil War?

[Lafayette]

From the Guardian here: The second American civil war is already happening

Excerpt:

America will still be America. But it is fast becoming two versions of itself. The open question is: how will the two be civil toward each other?

The US supreme court’s upcoming decision to reverse Roe v Wade (an early draft of which was leaked last week) doesn’t ban abortions; it leaves the issue to the states. As a result, it will put another large brick in the growing wall separating blue and red America.

The second American civil war is already occurring, but it is less of a war than a kind of benign separation analogous to unhappily married people who don’t want to go through the trauma of a formal divorce.

One America is largely urban, racially and ethnically diverse, and young. The other is largely rural or exurban, white and older.

The split is accelerating. Red zip codes are getting redder and blue zip codes, bluer. Of the nation’s total 3,143 counties, the number of super landslide counties – where a presidential candidate won at least 80% of the vote – jumped from 6% in 2004 to 22% in 2020.

Surveys show Americans find it increasingly important to live around people who share their political values. Animosity toward those in the opposing party is higher than at any time in living memory. Forty-two per cent of registered voters believe Americans in the other party are “downright evil”.

Civil disagreement need not make for war. It is just a matter of debate and the outcome, yes, can be the transformation of a country by means of defining law.

So America had better look at the lesson this article is professing. Yes, the reason why some states are long-term of a Rightist-nature is well known. But, what seems not to be considered is the question, "Why?

Because in city-clusters people meet and mingle giving themselves the ability to debate ideas across a broad range of opinion. But, if a family lives in rurally that "let's talk about" is far less prominent. People make up their minds based upon the prevailing opinion of the social-environment in which they live. Which is why cities seem to have the preference for articulating opinions across a high range of subjects.

That ambition, to my mind, is not prominent in states with lesser social-integration. And, yet, as regards the question being posed, the debate is crucial to the political outlook of the nation as a whole.

Which is very often the basis for passing laws at the national level ...

 

[Fabiusbile]

We will definitely support someone... get started.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

We will definitely support someone... get started.

What?

Welcome back by the way. Haven't seen you in a while.

 

[Fabiusbile]

What?

Welcome back by the way. Haven't seen you in a while.

Yes, it's ironic.

A lot of work, and I was out of touch. I'm resting now.

 

[Peter]

It's fascinating watching so many US fanatics seem to be almost salivating at the thought of a civil war as if it won't result in millions dead and the country in shambles.

The sheer amount of firepower available in the US to both civilians and the government make mass casualties a certainty and it's not going to be the march to victory those calling for civil war imagine it will be. It'll be bloody, it'll go on for ages and I hope for all your sakes it never happens.

Civil war will also have the side effect of destroying the economy so there are no winners.
It's pure insanity.

 

[Crovax]

Civil disagreement need not make for war. It is just a matter of debate and the outcome, yes, can be the transformation of a country by means of defining law.

"Forty-two per cent of registered voters believe Americans in the other party are “downright evil”.

That sounds like a bit more than civil disagreement

 

[Loulit01]

I don't understand this talk of civil war. Who will be fighting whom? What side will the Army take? The Navy? Perhaps most importantly, the Air Force?

Our military units are all mixed. They're racially mixed, they're geographically mixed. People of all races, faiths, colors, regions, states, cities, urban people and rural people, fight in the same units and depend on each other for their lives. The officer corp? Mixed.

True, there's a large far right contingent of racists and militia nuts in the military, but the number of minority servicemen dwarfs them. Who do you think they'll fight for?

This whole civil war thing is stupid.

And how will you know when you win?

 

[Lafayette]

The sheer amount of firepower available in the US to both civilians and the government make mass casualties a certainty and it's not going to be the march to victory those calling for civil war imagine it will be. It'll be bloody, it'll go on for ages and I hope for all your sakes it never happens.

Civil war will also have the side effect of destroying the economy so there are no winners.
It's pure insanity.

It aint gonna happin. Because there is no fundamental reason for Civil War. Uncle Sam has had one and it settled the fact that blacks are also American citizens.

If there were another question of such epic-proportions perhaps, yes, Uncle Sam would "have a problem". But, frankly, such is not the case.

The "case" being no killing of children in a mother's belly. Which, of course, are not yet children since they have quite a nine-month evolution before becoming so.

And which is why the European Union - with a population quite a bit larger than the US - has adopted a law that allows abortions but under different circumstances from country to country. Here in Europe 95% of European women of reproductive age live in countries which allow abortion on demand or for broad socioeconomic reasons. (And God hath yet to strike us all down by force!)

In the US, Pew Research has defined this visual explanation of abortion in the US;

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/wp-

From the above it can be said that in the US abortion is not allowed in considerately numerous cases (around 37% of the national-total) ...

 

[yankintx]

This country has been deeply divided before, I dare say it will happen again.

I find all this talk of dividing the country the easy way out instead of compromise.

 

[Lafayette]

TIME WILL TELL - IT ALWAYS DOES SO

This country has been deeply divided before, I dare say it will happen again.

I find all this talk of dividing the country the easy way out instead of compromise.

That must happen in the only way possible. By electing the right people into Congress. And the presidency. The popular-vote is the only expression of collective-will that exists in any real democracy.

We've already made one drastic mistake with Trump, a rich man simply interested in keeping/furthering his riches.

If we make that mistake again, the country could well be doomed. Making millions should not be the sole mission of any country. The disposition of wealth is key - it must be fair and equitable. Too much that goes to too few kills a country.

And Uncle Sam today is one such country! It needs badly a more equitable disposition of earned income due to lax taxation (instituted by the Replicants after JFK first reduced upper-income taxation). The rich must be mad to pay more taxation of their riches.

That taxation should be employed in a key principal sector: Very low personal-cost for a post-secondary education that allows our children to obtain the advanced (post-secondary) degrees necessary in this Brave New World of far less Manufacturing in America ....

 

[yankintx]

TIME WILL TELL - IT ALWAYS DOES SO



That must happen in the only way possible. By electing the right people into Congress. And the presidency. The popular-vote is the only expression of collective-will that exists in any real democracy.

We've already made one drastic mistake with Trump, a rich man simply interested in keeping/furthering his riches.

If we make that mistake again, the country could well be doomed. Making millions should not be the sole mission of any country. The disposition of wealth is key. Too much that goes to too few kills a country.

And Uncle Sam today is one such country!

Time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell ...

Yes

Its time the electoral college was left behind. But without it, Republicans know there chances at the WH are severely hampered. They cling to the electoral college like'a political lifeboat.

 

[wist43]

For those of you who don't understand liberty, which is most of you...

It makes no sense to you that anyone would not simply obey the dictates of the majority, and bow before popular opinion and government mandate.

It also makes no sense to you that anyone would question the government or main stream media.

It makes no sense to you because you have been conditioned your whole lives to think and act like subservient serfs.

You would never fight for principle or freedom. You are content to stand behind government, be obedient, and trust that the government will protect you and provide for you.

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To people who long to be free however, that mindset is poison.

We simply want to live our lives free from government interference. Freedom is not complicated.

That said, any "civil war" would be over quickly as the government would turn the military on Republicans and libertarians. We would be wiped out pretty quickly.

Those of you on the left needn't worry... we're almost there - you can dance on the mass graves of those you hate soon enough

 

[bomberfox]

It aint gonna happin. Because there is no fundamental reason for Civil War. Uncle Sam has had one and it settled the fact that blacks are also American citizens.

If there were another question of such epic-proportions perhaps, yes, Uncle Sam would "have a problem". But, frankly, such is not the case.

The "case" being no killing of children in a mother's belly. Which, of course, are not yet children since they have quite a nine-month evolution before becoming so.

And which is why the European Union - with a population quite a bit larger than the US - has adopted a law that allows abortions but under different circumstances from country to country. Here in Europe 95% of European women of reproductive age live in countries which allow abortion on demand or for broad socioeconomic reasons. (And God hath yet to strike us all down by force!)

In the US, Pew Research has defined this visual explanation of abortion in the US;

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/wp-

From the above it can be said that in the US abortion is not allowed in considerately numerous cases (around 37% of the national-total) ...

Unfortunately the confederacy lied to everyone about their cause and legacy when they lost so we are still stuck with confederates…

 

[Tigerace117]

For those of you who don't understand liberty, which is most of you...

It makes no sense to you that anyone would not simply obey the dictates of the majority, and bow before popular opinion and government mandate.

It also makes no sense to you that anyone would question the government or main stream media.

It makes no sense to you because you have been conditioned your whole lives to think and act like subservient serfs.

You would never fight for principle or freedom. You are content to stand behind government, be obedient, and trust that the government will protect you and provide for you.

---------------------------

To people who long to be free however, that mindset is poison.

We simply want to live our lives free from government interference. Freedom is not complicated.

That said, any "civil war" would be over quickly as the government would turn the military on Republicans and libertarians. We would be wiped out pretty quickly.

Those of you on the left needn't worry... we're almost there - you can dance on the mass graves of those you hate soon enough

Sounds like you should just leave if you are oh so unhappy and persecuted here in America

 

[trouble13]

From the Guardian here: The second American civil war is already happening

Excerpt:



Civil disagreement need not make for war. It is just a matter of debate and the outcome, yes, can be the transformation of a country by means of defining law.

So America had better look at the lesson this article is professing. Yes, the reason why some states are long-term of a Rightist-nature is well known. But, what seems not to be considered is the question, "Why?

Because in city-clusters people meet and mingle giving themselves the ability to debate ideas across a broad range of opinion. But, if a family lives in rurally that "let's talk about" is far less prominent. People make up their minds based upon the prevailing opinion of the social-environment in which they live. Which is why cities seem to have the preference for articulating opinions across a high range of subjects.

That ambition, to my mind, is not prominent in states with lesser social-integration. And, yet, as regards the question being posed, the debate is crucial to the political outlook of the nation as a whole.

Which is very often the basis for passing laws at the national level ...

All the more reason for less federal laws and more localized rule. Blue area can pass blue laws and red areas can pass red laws.

 

[Josie]

 

[Tigerace117]

And in the end, all that got him was a bullet and the south imposing a tyrannical regime for the next century.

There’s such a thing as too much lenience.

 

[Peter]

Sounds like you should just leave if you are oh so unhappy and persecuted here in America

Maybe the Libertarians can all join together and buy an island so they can all live in a government free utopia.
I'm sure it will go swimmingly and not be instantly held hostage by companies paying slave wages and zero tax.
Crime will also be a thing of the past with a complete lack of a police service and you better make sure you don't have a fire as nobody is going to help put it out.

Yey, a perfect paradise.

 

[Tigerace117]

Maybe the Libertarians can all join together and buy an island so they can all live in a government free utopia.
I'm sure it will go swimmingly and not be instantly held hostage by companies paying slave wages and zero tax.
Crime will also be a thing of the past with a complete lack of a police service and you better make sure you don't have a fire as nobody is going to help put it out.

Yey, a perfect paradise.

Gee, or just dump them all on the Aleutians. I heard they are lovely this time of year

 

[wist43]

Maybe the Libertarians can all join together and buy an island so they can all live in a government free utopia.
I'm sure it will go swimmingly and not be instantly held hostage by companies paying slave wages and zero tax.
Crime will also be a thing of the past with a complete lack of a police service and you better make sure you don't have a fire as nobody is going to help put it out.

Yey, a perfect paradise.

Hey Pete, you ever get "Project" Gladio figured out??

Lol

 

[yankintx]

For those of you who don't understand liberty, which is most of you...

It makes no sense to you that anyone would not simply obey the dictates of the majority, and bow before popular opinion and government mandate.

It also makes no sense to you that anyone would question the government or main stream media.

It makes no sense to you because you have been conditioned your whole lives to think and act like subservient serfs.

You would never fight for principle or freedom. You are content to stand behind government, be obedient, and trust that the government will protect you and provide for you.

---------------------------

To people who long to be free however, that mindset is poison.

We simply want to live our lives free from government interference. Freedom is not complicated.

That said, any "civil war" would be over quickly as the government would turn the military on Republicans and libertarians. We would be wiped out pretty quickly.

Those of you on the left needn't worry... we're almost there - you can dance on the mass graves of those you hate soon enough

Oh please, quit the hyperbole and work together.

 

[Ruby Wizard]

And in the end, all that got him was a bullet and the south imposing a tyrannical regime for the next century.

There’s such a thing as too much lenience.

"Lenient" is an interesting description of Shermans March to the Sea

 

[Lafayette]

JUST A FEW FACTS

Its time the electoral college was left behind. But without it, Republicans know there chances at the WH are severely hampered. They cling to the electoral college like'a political lifeboat.

The manipulation of the EC is pathetic for any country that THINKS it is a fair-democracy!

From here: Flaws in the Electoral College

What are 3 major flaws in the electoral college quizlet?

It is plagued by three major defects: (1) the winner of the popular vote is not guaranteed the presidency; (2) electors are not required to vote in accord with the popular vote; and (3) any election might have to be decided in the House of Representatives.

Three criticisms of the College are made: It is “undemocratic;” It permits the election of a candidate who does not win the most votes; and. Its winner-takes-all approach cancels the votes of the losing candidates in each state.

Yes Its time the electoral college was left behind. But without it, Republicans know there chances at the WH are severely hampered. They cling to the electoral college like'a political lifeboat.

Yes, well even the Replicants can learn that the foundation of any country is the decency of its electoral system.

Ours needs a general rework. The problem? We let BigMoney sell candidates for election. Which should be forbidden and would be were our children given the proper education of "democracy" in high-school.

Teaching students about democracy and their civic-duty is a key part of any high-school education. When students understand their government, they are able to better participate in society and help to create a stronger, more informed general population. Economic fairness is a key-factor in any democracy.

From Pew Research: 6 facts about economic inequality in the U.S

Excerpt:

Rising economic inequality in the United States has become a central issue in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, and discussions about policy interventions that might help address it are likely to remain at the forefront in the 2020 general election.

As these debates continue, here are some basic facts about how economic inequality has changed over time and how the U.S. compares globally.

One such "economic fact" (from here):

 

[wist43]

My God you people are lost... only an ign***nt fool would want to live in a democracy.

America was founded as a republic, and only 1/2 of 1/3 (our House of Representatives) was designated to be elected democratically.

It was a brilliant design that allowed America to develop into the envy of the world.

Have any of you even read any of America's founding documents??

 

[Peter]

Hey Pete, you ever get "Project" Gladio figured out??

Lol

What has that got to do with my post.
If you hate government so much why are you living in a country run by one?
Somalia had no government for a while and things turned out great so why don't you move there?