Listening to some gangs on the radio this morning showed me there are parts of society where education does not exist. These gang members do not relate to education, only survival. 100% never think about what they want to be. All were asked the question "what do you want to be" and none answered, none. One was recovering from being shot and said he would like to clean himself up and live "a couple more years". He is 20! We drift away from what is here in parts of this country. We shake our heads when we hear of the outrageous number of shootings in Chicgo but this program explained why. These shootings are their way of life just like going to work is our way of life. Sociologists for decades talk of what is "wrong" with the cities But is it wrong or is it the way things are? This was only 30 minutes in length but ruely a oul opener. To think there are young peole with zero hope, zero belief in a future of any kind that wake up in a room with no thought of doing anything other than robbing, and killing and dying is death itself only in slow motion.
Listening to some gangs on the radio this morning showed me there are parts of society where education does not exist. These gang members do not relate to education, only survival. 100% never think about what they want to be. All were asked the question "what do you want to be" and none answered, none. One was recovering from being shot and said he would like to clean himself up and live "a couple more years". He is 20! We drift away from what is here in parts of this country. We shake our heads when we hear of the outrageous number of shootings in Chicgo but this program explained why. These shootings are their way of life just like going to work is our way of life. Sociologists for decades talk of what is "wrong" with the cities But is it wrong or is it the way things are? This was only 30 minutes in length but ruely a oul opener. To think there are young peole with zero hope, zero belief in a future of any kind that wake up in a room with no thought of doing anything other than robbing, and killing and dying is death itself only in slow motion.
When I owned my business, I worked with a man from Chicago's inner-city who was employed by an uber-large corporation. He was probably about 35 years old . . . hired, I'm assuming as part of his company's affirmative action program. I say that because my company (me) was paid by the corporation to edit everything he wrote into intelligent narrative. Our educational system had failed him. Although he had a B.A. degree, he couldn't spell, could barely read and couldn't put a coherent sentence pen to paper.
He told me that, when he was 17 years old, he made a decision: he wanted to live. So he joined the service. Looking about him in his neighborhood, most of the males, by age 25, were either dead or in prison. He spent 4 years in the army . . . came out . . . got his education paid for . . . and, thanks to affirmative action, had a wonderful job with a multi-national company.
I think about him every once in a while. He was happily married with two children. Lived in a middle-class neighborhood. Took great pride in his kids' education. Private school. He knew how important education was and felt blessed to be where he was in life. Affirmative Action worked for Nate.
I wish it had worked better for others.
The down side of that story is that someone who did have a truly decent education (with or without a college degree), and could effectively communicate through writing, lost the opportunity to be middle class, and is now likely a bagger in a grocery store.
The down side of that story is that someone who did have a truly decent education (with or without a college degree), and could effectively communicate through writing, lost the opportunity to be middle class, and is now likely a bagger in a grocery store.
I'm not following your logic.
If citizen A gets a job, citizen B can't get one? Seriously?
Just in case you guys haven't noticed, we currently have a shortage of jobs. Particularly good ones. There's simply not enough jobs for everyone who wants one to have one. Anytime that you have a limited number of anything, then one person gets more, someone else gets less.
Now granted one can start his own business, and thus create his own job, but most people aren't cut out for that.
There's no job shortage except for those of limited ability or unfortunate location. Companies are getting plenty of H1B workers on grounds there aren't enough domestic workers. The people I know have no trouble finding jobs even when displaced by H1B.
The job shortage is for manual workers. There are a lot of things we don't do anymore. We don't have as many robotic jobs because now we actually have robots. Is that the job shortage we're discussing? Or can someone with a useful education and propensity for the field chosen, not be able to find work?
Obviously you are totally oblivious to the unemployment problems that we have had since the beginning of the Great Recession.
Just in case you guys haven't noticed, we currently have a shortage of jobs. Particularly good ones. There's simply not enough jobs for everyone who wants one to have one. Anytime that you have a limited number of anything, then one person gets more, someone else gets less.
Now granted one can start his own business, and thus create his own job, but most people aren't cut out for that.
Obviously, you are totally oblivious to the fact that while some people are affected, there is still a large middle class. You choose to skip the sentence: The job shortage is for manual workers. There are a lot of things we don't do anymore. We don't have as many robotic jobs because now we actually have robots. Is that the job shortage we're discussing? Or can someone with a useful education and propensity for the field chosen, not be able to find work? ...so you can push the rhetoric.
Please remind me when there has been 100% employment and all jobs paid that "living wage" you promote. Then explain your pro-immigration position in that context. Then explain why your chosen leader hasn't brought any solutions to the table.
In the time of the Unicorns, we all made $25 an hour. After the Unicorns left....
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There's no job shortage except for those of limited ability or unfortunate location. Companies are getting plenty of H1B workers on grounds there aren't enough domestic workers. The people I know have no trouble finding jobs even when displaced by H1B.
The job shortage is for manual workers. There are a lot of things we don't do anymore. We don't have as many robotic jobs because now we actually have robots. Is that the job shortage we're discussing? Or can someone with a useful education and propensity for the field chosen, not be able to find work?
And, sadly, there are many specialized jobs that can't be filled, due to a shortage in skilled people able to do them. But no one, in the realm of government or business, is willing to undertake training people to do them. We just expect people to magically know what skills they need to learn and be able to afford to learn them.
And what's with the OP starting for just a moment with the idea that poor neighborhoods have crappy schools... and then suddenly gang members! And whining about cities. And an ignorant conflation of all poor city youth with the few violent ones seen on TV.
Hunger itself might not make people work harder, but the fear of being hungry does. If we provide people who accept poverty with just enough money to get by, thats all they are going to do - just get by. If we tell them that they have to fend for themselves, they will fend for themselves, make a living, and sometimes end up making a darned good living, far in excess of "just getting by".
I have never suggested that all jobs should pay a living wage, although I have said that more jobs should pay a living wage and that we have too much income disparity. And I don't really remember presenting any pro-immigration position, not in this thread anyway. Nor did I vote for Obama (either time). I think you have me confused with some liberal.
Just to jog your memory, I'm the guy who keeps harping on how technology is going to eventually eliminate most jobs, and that eventually, unless we want to live in a welfare state or unless we are willing to accept massive poverty due to massive unemployment, we must start figuring out how to have a system which allows every family to have at least one income earner.
I'm very well aware of the fact that at some point in the future, we really won't need very many unskilled workers at all, practically none, and we are rapidly moving in that direction.
Regardless of the cause of the job shortage, there is one, and thats a fact, not a theory. We seem to agree on why we have a job shortage, now we just need to find a cure.
I have never suggested that all jobs should pay a living wage, although I have said that more jobs should pay a living wage and that we have too much income disparity. And I don't really remember presenting any pro-immigration position, not in this thread anyway. Nor did I vote for Obama (either time). I think you have me confused with some liberal.
Just to jog your memory, I'm the guy who keeps harping on how technology is going to eventually eliminate most jobs, and that eventually, unless we want to live in a welfare state or unless we are willing to accept massive poverty due to massive unemployment, we must start figuring out how to have a system which allows every family to have at least one income earner.
I'm very well aware of the fact that at some point in the future, we really won't need very many unskilled workers at all, practically none, and we are rapidly moving in that direction.
Regardless of the cause of the job shortage, there is one, and thats a fact, not a theory. We seem to agree on why we have a job shortage, now we just need to find a cure.
The training is there for those who step up to take it. My nephew who skated through high school taking the easiest path possible has finally discovered that. He kept telling me that same sad story about how the government doesn't just train his ass, but when he actually got off his duff and looked for real... Now he's working a minimum wage job at a burger joint while he's going to an HVAC training program. The entry level pay in that industry is roughly twice minimum wage.
Good for him. Tell me, how does you looking down on people who don't know about those options or weigh them as too risky fill jobs and give people better lives?
The down side of that story is that someone who did have a truly decent education (with or without a college degree), and could effectively communicate through writing, lost the opportunity to be middle class, and is now likely a bagger in a grocery store.
The young man was determined to be a basketball coach at the college level. Got all the degrees he needed, and then he applied everywhere. He wouldn't consider anything other than college level. His parents encouraged him to start at the high school level. No. That wouldn't do. So he spent two years being a personal trainer and coaching volunteer programs . . . and looking for his dream job. He's now accepted an assistant coach position at a high school.
The wonderful thing about our country is that he was able to do that. The wisdom of doing that? That's another story. He doesn't belong in the list of those who couldn't find jobs, however. He just couldn't find the one he wanted.
I have never suggested that all jobs should pay a living wage, although I have said that more jobs should pay a living wage and that we have too much income disparity. And I don't really remember presenting any pro-immigration position, not in this thread anyway. Nor did I vote for Obama (either time). I think you have me confused with some liberal.
Just to jog your memory, I'm the guy who keeps harping on how technology is going to eventually eliminate most jobs, and that eventually, unless we want to live in a welfare state or unless we are willing to accept massive poverty due to massive unemployment, we must start figuring out how to have a system which allows every family to have at least one income earner.
I'm very well aware of the fact that at some point in the future, we really won't need very many unskilled workers at all, practically none, and we are rapidly moving in that direction.
Regardless of the cause of the job shortage, there is one, and thats a fact, not a theory. We seem to agree on why we have a job shortage, now we just need to find a cure.
The only people I "look down on" are those who sit on their ass and proclaim between commercials that there is no other solution but for someone else to support them.
Bush and Obama have proven that anyone can be President.:roll:
But if you won't settle for less than the Presidency, you might be out of work for a while.
Good for him. Tell me, how does you looking down on people who don't know about those options or weigh them as too risky fill jobs and give people better lives?
And how does looking down on them help to change that situation?
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