THE PANIC OVER TRANS SPORTS INCLUSION

[CLAX1911]

In other words, weaker is inferior.

In strength and agility yes

 

[Spock]

I assert that biology exists.

You must believe that every male is inherently superior in all ways to every female.

Men who identify as women so men.

Transwomen are not the stereotypical male.

 

[CLAX1911]

You must believe that every male is inherently superior in all ways to every female.

Because the men on average are stronger and more agile the women? You must think strength and agility are the only things that matter.

Transwomen are not the stereotypical male.

But they're still men.

 

[Spock]

Because the men on average are stronger and more agile the women? You must think strength and agility are the only things that matter.

I think you are determined to classify women as inferior to all males.

But they're still men.

Transwomen do not fit your definition of "men".

 

[Lisa]

Because the men on average are stronger and more agile the women? You must think strength and agility are the only things that matter.

But they're still men.

How much longer are you going to deny the many differences between trans-females and cisgender guys, or do you plan to claim that trans-females are men and never admit the many differences because those facts get in the way of your transphobic opinions?

Do you think we don't see your constructing this obvious conservative strawman to be knocked down when your falsely claim victory? Women don't support your idea that they are inferior in all ways to guys because you seem to think that you are some sort of white knight riding in to save them from a nonexistent boogeyman that you have constructed.

 

[Aristaeus]

In other words, weaker is inferior.

Women are not inferior, but they are on average physically weaker and slower than men. This is not breaking news.

Why do you think the men's 100m sprint world record is around a second faster than the women's world record?

 

[Aristaeus]

Uh, the winning cisgender boys were not on HRT with female hormone levels, were they? Those drugs have a very obvious difference with muscle loss and additional body fat.

HRT doesn't eliminate male puberty advantage, just reduces it.

If a transwoman has never went through male puberty, then there's no advantage and hence no problem competing against females.

 

[CLAX1911]

How much longer are you going to deny the many differences between trans-females and cisgender guys, or do you plan to claim that trans-females are men and never admit the many differences because those facts get in the way of your transphobic opinions?

Trans women are men. They are synonyms.

The only one denying this reality is you.

Do you think we don't see your constructing this obvious conservative strawman to be knocked down when your falsely claim victory?

I'm not sure what strawman you're talking about

Women don't support your idea that they are inferior in all ways to guys

Well that isn't my idea and I never said that so good.

They are unsure to men in general when it comes to strength and agility that's why I said that.

If you doubt me list all the trans men that are trying to get into the men's league.

because you seem to think that you are some sort of white knight riding in to save them from a nonexistent boogeyman that you have constructed.

Nope I'm just saying what I think. I can't do anything they have to do it.

 

[CLAX1911]

I think you are determined to classify women as inferior to all males.

That's probably because you're dishonest.

Transwomen do not fit your definition of "men".

Depends on the definition of men you're using I'm going by the biological definition of adult human male trans women are adult human males.

Humans cannot change their sex and gender doesn't matter.

 

[Spock]

Women are not inferior, but they are on average physically weaker and slower than men. This is not breaking news.

Why do you think the men's 100m sprint world record is around a second faster than the women's world record?

You assert that women cannot compete with transwomen because some men are more athletic than many women. So what?
Many women are more athletic than many males.
It is irrelevant that certain records are held by certain males, just as it is irrelevant that the greatest basketball players are black, that most gynecologists are male, and that very few women are fire fighters.

 

[Spock]

That's probably because you're dishonest.

You assert inherent superiority of males.

Depends on the definition of men you're using I'm going by the biological definition of adult human male trans women are adult human males.

Definitions are arbitrary. Male-female is a spectrum and highly variable. Learn about Caster Semenya.

Humans cannot change their sex and gender doesn't matter.

Kinda like race, for you?

 

[donhughesmusic]

You assert that women cannot compete with transwomen because some men are more athletic than many women. So what?
Many women are more athletic than many males.
It is irrelevant that certain records are held by certain males, just as it is irrelevant that the greatest basketball players are black, that most gynecologists are male, and that very few women are fire fighters.

Who ran the fastest 100m, male or female?
Who ran the fastest 1500m?
Who lifted the heaviest bench press?
Who has the highest high jump?

In 2021, an all female league in netball in Australia let in one all male team in the spirit of inclusivity. The male team in its first season absolutely dominates the entire league.

In tennis, of all the battle of the seces matches, the only one the female won. King was in her 20s, Riggs in his 50s and hadn't played high level tennis in years.

It is absolutely relevant in the realm of sport. I could give a shit about gender. If you want to identify as a turkey club sandwich, that hurts me in no way shape or form. However, in the realm of sport, biological sex matters. High school boy sprinters run as fast as the womens world record holder in many cases. In sport, biology matters.

 

[Aristaeus]

You assert that women cannot compete with transwomen because some men are more athletic than many women. So what?
Many women are more athletic than many males.
It is irrelevant that certain records are held by certain males, just as it is irrelevant that the greatest basketball players are black, that most gynecologists are male, and that very few women are fire fighters.

Completely misrepresenting what I said.

An athlete who has went through male puberty will typically dominate against females. There are 10,000 males with a faster 100m PB than the women's Olympic gold medal winning time.

transwomen who have went through male puberty and later hormonally transitioned will lose some of that male puberty advantage but not all of it.

 

[Spock]

Who ran the fastest 100m, male or female?
Who ran the fastest 1500m?
Who lifted the heaviest bench press?
Who has the highest high jump?

In 2021, an all female league in netball in Australia let in one all male team in the spirit of inclusivity. The male team in its first season absolutely dominates the entire league.

In tennis, of all the battle of the seces matches, the only one the female won. King was in her 20s, Riggs in his 50s and hadn't played high level tennis in years.

It is absolutely relevant in the realm of sport. I could give a shit about gender. If you want to identify as a turkey club sandwich, that hurts me in no way shape or form. However, in the realm of sport, biological sex matters. High school boy sprinters run as fast as the womens world record holder in many cases. In sport, biology matters.

All this nonsensical bias existed in sports prior to desegregation. No black can ever play baseball, right?
Many women are better athletes than many men...
Your need to establish inferiority of women has a deeper and darker motivation.

 

[Lisa]

HRT doesn't eliminate male puberty advantage, just reduces it.

Over what time period are you making that claim? 6moths, a year, 5 years?

If a transwoman has never went through male puberty, then there's no advantage and hence no problem competing against females.

We agree on this stance.

 

[Spock]

Completely misrepresenting what I said.

An athlete who has went through male puberty will typically dominate against females. There are 10,000 males with a faster 100m PB than the women's Olympic gold medal winning time.

transwomen who have went through male puberty and later hormonally transitioned will lose some of that male puberty advantage but not all of it.

You do understand that females have testosterone, right?
All this anti-trans concern stems from a patronizing, paternalistic need to maintain the inherent inferiority of females.
Consider the race-based performance in sports and perhaps you will develop some understanding of the fundamentally shameful need to denigrate women.

 

[Aristaeus]

You do understand that females have testosterone, right?
All this anti-trans concern stems from a patronizing, paternalistic need to maintain the inherent inferiority of females.
Consider the race-based performance in sports and perhaps you will develop some understanding of the fundamentally shameful need to denigrate women.

Yes, I'm aware females have around 20x less testosterone than males.
Females are not inferior. They are typically slower and not as strong than men due to naturally lower levels of testosterone.

I do consider race-based performance. I'm aware that the boys under 18 world record for the 1500m is 16 seconds quicker than the adult women's world record. Why do you think that is?

 

[Lisa]

Trans women are men. They are synonyms.

Do you know what the definition of synonym is? If they are truly synonyms then I call call you Claris instead of CLAX as you believe they are the same.

These are the actual synonym of transfemale. You should learn them. https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/transgender

The only one denying this reality is you.

You have to deny the core concept of gender idneity to make your absurd claim. If you deny gender idneity then there is no reason to continue to discuss gender idneity because you reject it.

I'm not sure what strawman you're talking about

Well that isn't my idea and I never said that so good.

Obviously more nonsense.

They are unsure to men in general when it comes to strength and agility that's why I said that.

If you doubt me list all the trans men that are trying to get into the men's league.

Chris Mosier is the First Openly Trans Man to Compete in Men's Olympic Trials

“For me, it’s all about making a pathway for all the trans athletes that come after me,” he told the New York Times.

www.them.us

Nope I'm just saying what I think. I can't do anything they have to do it.

A person could learn and stop being offensive and ignorant about the subject instead of claiming that they cant change.

 

[Aristaeus]

All this nonsensical bias existed in sports prior to desegregation. No black can ever play baseball, right?
Many women are better athletes than many men...
Your need to establish inferiority of women has a deeper and darker motivation.

Show me one professional female track and field athlete at the international level who is better or equal than a male at the same professional level.

some male v female world records:

100m
Male 9.58
Women 10.49 (probably using drugs and dodgy wind recording)

200m
Male 19.19
Female 21.34 (probably using drugs)

400m
Male 43.03
Female 47.60

Shotput
Male 23.56m
Female 22.63m (USSR, likely drug enhanced)

Javelin
Male 98.48m
Female 72.28

 

[donhughesmusic]

All this nonsensical bias existed in sports prior to desegregation. No black can ever play baseball, right?
Many women are better athletes than many men...
Your need to establish inferiority of women has a deeper and darker motivation.

I never said women were inferior to men at all. I am simply putting the stats out there, which you have not addressed. I never said they couldn't play sports (or that blacks couldn't play baseball). I said that biological men and biological women in sports should be separate, as stated under Title IX.

 

[CLAX1911]

Do you know what the definition of synonym is?

Yes. A man that identifies as a woman is still a man.

You have to deny the core concept of gender idneity to make your absurd claim.

I don't deny it you can identify as the opposite sex a house cat a car or whatever. It's just words you say about yourself.

I'm just skeptical of your claim that there's some innate component that forces you to identify with the social convention. When you're born you have no gender so no gender identity. That comes as you grow and become socialized.

If you deny gender idneity then there is no reason to continue to discuss gender idneity because you reject it.

Again I don't deny gender identity you can identify as whatever you want. Just words you say about yourself.

I I'm skeptical of your asinine claim that it somehow innate that you cannot show the tiniest shred of evidence for.

Obviously more nonsense.

Obviously you conceding again

Chris Mosier is the First Openly Trans Man to Compete in Men's Olympic Trials

“For me, it’s all about making a pathway for all the trans athletes that come after me,” he told the New York Times.

www.them.us

A person could learn and stop being offensive and ignorant about the subject instead of claiming that they cant change.

I'm not being ignorant about this I'm being skeptical the skepticism threatens you. You shouldn't let it you can believe whatever you want. You just can't dictate it to other people I'm not part of your religion.

 

[CLAX1911]

You assert inherent superiority of males.

In general with regards to activities strength and agility that's not my assertion that's reality.

Definitions are arbitrary. Male-female is a spectrum and highly variable. Learn about Caster Semenya.

No there's no spectrum. That's the univariant fallacy. Essentially you're saying there is no one thing that differentiates all men from all women so therefore it's a spectrum which is a lie. There's no one thing that differentiates dogs from chimpanzees but there's not a dog chimpanzee spectrum.

Kinda like race, for you?

Race is artificial but biological.

 

[CLAX1911]

You assert that women cannot compete with transwomen because some men are more athletic than many women. So what?

So men are not women trans women are men.

Many women are more athletic than many males.

Yeah a female powerlifter is more athletic than a quadriplegic man what if we compare a female powerlifter to a male powerlifter there is no competition there.

It is irrelevant that certain records are held by certain males, just as it is irrelevant that the greatest basketball players are black, that most gynecologists are male, and that very few women are fire fighters.

Much of what you say is irrelevant but the fact that we had to create female leagues so they could have a chance to compete so just that they need that.

 

[donhughesmusic]

You assert that women cannot compete with transwomen because some men are more athletic than many women. So what?
Many women are more athletic than many males.
It is irrelevant that certain records are held by certain males, just as it is irrelevant that the greatest basketball players are black, that most gynecologists are male, and that very few women are fire fighters.

Would you be in favor then of integrating every league? No separation between the sexes? One basketball league? One track-and-field competition? etc...

 

[Spock]

Yes, I'm aware females have around 20x less testosterone than males.
Females are not inferior. They are typically slower and not as strong than men due to naturally lower levels of testosterone.

I do consider race-based performance. I'm aware that the boys under 18 world record for the 1500m is 16 seconds quicker than the adult women's world record. Why do you think that is?

You assert female inferiority but refuse to acknowledge your own comments.
The same arguments can be made that Asians or aboriginal peoples or pygmies. It is a false dichotomy.
Do you know that ultra-long distance running records are primarily held by women, that most professional basketball players are black, and that a disproportionate number of professional women's soccer players are lesbians?