THE PANIC OVER TRANS SPORTS INCLUSION

[Spock]

There are ultramarathons in there... but here are more... AGAIN the men are faster than the women (and go farther in the timed events, 12 hour, 24 hour)

IAU Records - IAU - International Association of Ultrarunners

iau-ultramarathon.org

By your reasoning, any group with apparent superior or inferior performance should be excluded unconditionally from competition.

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Meta | Title | NEW STUDY FINDS WOMEN ARE BETTER AT ULTRAMARATHON RUNNING THAN MEN | Fitness First

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[donhughesmusic]

By your reasoning, any group with apparent superior or inferior performance should be excluded unconditionally from competition.

Meta | Title | NEW STUDY FINDS WOMEN ARE BETTER AT ULTRAMARATHON RUNNING THAN MEN | Fitness First

Meta | Title | NEW STUDY FINDS WOMEN ARE BETTER AT ULTRAMARATHON RUNNING THAN MEN | Fitness First

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No, they should have their own division. Title IX clearly states that. Biological men should not compete against biological women. What part of that don't you understand?

 

[Spock]

No, they should have their own division. Title IX clearly states that. Biological men should not compete against biological women. What part of that don't you understand?

Should superior white athletes have their own division separate from other races?
Title IX is a solution to the inequitable underfunding of women's athletics. It is irrelevant to a discussion of trans athletes. Rather than reactionary thinking on this matter, the best solution is to defer to full-time official sports authorities and to did deeply for a little tolerance.

 

[donhughesmusic]

Should superior white athletes have their own division separate from other races?
Title IX is a solution to the inequitable underfunding of women's athletics. It is irrelevant to a discussion of trans athletes. Rather than reactionary thinking on this matter, the best solution is to defer to full-time official sports authorities and to did deeply for a little tolerance.

It is not reactionary. It is the product of multiple "battle of the sexes" events in tennis, combat sports situations where the biological female could not compete with the biological male, world records across all the sports that require physicality (track, basketball, football, etc), and the times where boys teams have consistently beaten grown womens teams. It isn't about tolerance. It is about fairness.

 

[Spock]

It is not reactionary. It is the product of multiple "battle of the sexes" events in tennis,

Like Bobby Riggs and Billie Jean King?

combat sports situations where the biological female could not compete with the biological male, world records across all the sports that require physicality (track, basketball, football, etc), and the times where boys teams have consistently beaten grown womens teams. It isn't about tolerance. It is about fairness.

Since you want to exclude all transwomen, you must assert that all females are inherently inferior to all males.
Or do you favor transwomen competing so long as they do not win?

 

[donhughesmusic]

Like Bobby Riggs and Billie Jean King?


Since you want to exclude all transwomen, you must assert that all females are inherently inferior to all males.
Or do you favor transwomen competing so long as they do not win?

Billie Jean King was in her 20s. Bobby Riggs was in his 50s and hadn't played competitive tennis in years. I have already addressed that. You conveniently don't mention when Riggs beat Margaret Court the year before, or in 1992 where Jimmy Connors beat Martina Navratilova, or in 1998 when BOTH Williams sisters lost to 203 ranked Karsten Braasch (Serena was ranked #1 at the time in womens tennis), or in 2003 when Yannick Noah beat Justine Henan. Serena Williams then said afterwards that there is no way she would be able to compete with the higher ranked men. Those are just the examples in tennis. Hell, in basketball, the women play with a smaller ball. When I played high school basketball, my shooting percentage with a womens' ball was 23% higher than the mens ball just because it was smaller (was an interesting school project).

When it comes to sport at the highest level, biological women cannot compete against biological men. I favor transwomen competing, just in their biological sex division. Again, what part of that don't you understand?

 

[Spock]

Billie Jean King was in her 20s. Bobby Riggs was in his 50s and hadn't played competitive tennis in years. I have already addressed that. You conveniently don't mention when Riggs beat Margaret Court the year before, or in 1992 where Jimmy Connors beat Martina Navratilova, or in 1998 when BOTH Williams sisters lost to 203 ranked Karsten Braasch (Serena was ranked #1 at the time in womens tennis), or in 2003 when Yannick Noah beat Justine Henan. Serena Williams then said afterwards that there is no way she would be able to compete with the higher ranked men. Those are just the examples in tennis. Hell, in basketball, the women play with a smaller ball. When I played high school basketball, my shooting percentage with a womens' ball was 23% higher than the mens ball just because it was smaller (was an interesting school project).

When it comes to sport at the highest level, biological women cannot compete against biological men. I favor transwomen competing, just in their biological sex division. Again, what part of that don't you understand?

I fully understand your judgment of the inferiority of women. I don't subscribe to that and do not think that transwomen will do anything to damage women's sports or competition.

 

[SMTA]

"Transgender sports participation has emerged as a flash point mostly for the sake of being a flash point. We are not a tomorrow away from some kind of trans takeover. But rather than delving into the complexity and wrestling with how to create fair competition as gender norms shift, we are succumbing to a panic that forces us to choose between the extremes of firm exclusion and full inclusion.

The level of indignation is disproportionate to the minuscule number of known trans athletes at all levels of sport. Yet a preemptive war rages, threatening to complicate the lives of even nonelite athletes, who simply seek access to the social, emotional and health benefits of organized activities. ... Gill-Peterson, a Johns Hopkins professor and author who specializes in transgender history, sees how the message is framed with succinct urgency: Save women’s sports. It does not present the rare dominant trans athlete as a complicated anomaly that warrants deep thought but rather as an existential threat that must be eliminated to protect the sanctity of our sex-segregated sports structure.

Megan Rapinoe grew tired of people speaking for her. She did not appreciate the notion that women’s sports needed protection, especially if politicians and others who hadn’t shown interest in them before were suddenly the protectors. In the transgender discussion, she sensed female athletes were being used — by the same people who so often had been contemptuous about women’s sports. “We as a country are trying to legislate away people’s full humanity,” she told Time magazine before she retired last year.

...“It’s such a farce,” said Clarendon, who is married to Layshia Clarendon, the first openly nonbinary WNBA player. ...“We are telling you that we are not under attack from trans women. If you want to know the things we are protecting ourselves from, there is a really long list, and trans women are not on it....I think it’s by design, creating a wedge issue to disrupt a really unified group of people,” Clarendon said of conservatives campaigning against trans participation in sports. “They were losing the narrative on gay people and gay marriage, and the backlash has found a new target. It’s absolutely designed to divide people like Megan and Martina on ideological lines.”

...The decision to segregate sexes in sports was made long before significant contemplation of gender fluidity. It remains the most logical way to create meaningful competitions and acknowledge the inherent biological advantage that men possess. But the binary system is starting to fray as society changes. While transgender participation is still too small to create another sports category, the hysteria has elevated the importance of more creative and inclusive counter-policies. If we believe sport has a greater purpose, then we tarnish its value if we cannot find a better solution than to banish those we don’t quite understand."

Link to gifted article

Seems like few women atheletes object to it.

Rapinoe is an alcoholic family abuser.

 

[donhughesmusic]

I fully understand your judgment of the inferiority of women. I don't subscribe to that and do not think that transwomen will do anything to damage women's sports or competition.

Show me the data to back up your assertion.

 

[Aristaeus]

I fully understand your judgment of the inferiority of women. I don't subscribe to that and do not think that transwomen will do anything to damage women's sports or competition.

Just because females on average run slower than males doesn't make them inferior.

 

[Spock]

Show me the data to back up your assertion.

You have promoted the inferior status of women in your posts.

 

[Spock]

Just because females on average run slower than males doesn't make them inferior.

You have taken the data on exceptional individuals and used that to discredit more than 50% of the population. The objection to transwomen is based on the premise that any XY person is better than ALL women.

 

[rahl]

Should superior white athletes have their own division separate from other races?
Title IX is a solution to the inequitable underfunding of women's athletics. It is irrelevant to a discussion of trans athletes.

How?

Rather than reactionary thinking on this matter, the best solution is to defer to full-time official sports authorities and to did deeply for a little tolerance.

No, the best solution is to not reject biological reality.

 

[rahl]

I fully understand your judgment of the inferiority of women. I don't subscribe to that and do not think that transwomen will do anything to damage women's sports or competition.

Biology doesn’t care that you don’t like it. It remains reality.

 

[rahl]

You have taken the data on exceptional individuals and used that to discredit more than 50% of the population.

No they haven’t. It’s biological reality that men are faster, stronger and have more endurance than women. This does not mean women are inferior.

The objection to transwomen is based on the premise that any XY person is better than ALL women.

No, that is your strawman.

 

[Lisa]

How?

No, the best solution is to not reject biological reality.

Such as neuro-biology, or wasn't that mentioned in your sim0lsitic understanding of biology that is limited to XX or XY of a perosn sex, that is not the same as gender idnetity?

Neurobiology of gender identity and sexual orientation - PMC

Sexual identity and sexual orientation are independent components of a person’s sexual identity. These dimensions are most often in harmony with each other and with an individual’s genital sex, although not always. The present review discusses the ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[rahl]

Such as neuro-biology, or wasn't that mentioned in your sim0lsitic understanding of biology that is limited to XX or XY of a perosn sex, that is not the same as gender idnetity?

Gender identity is not an actual thing. It’s a made up construct. Biology doesn’t care about your ideology.

Not sure what your post has to do with the biological fact that men are faster, stronger and have more endurance than women. So men competing in women’s sports is not only inherently unfair, but in contact sports such as MMA and boxing, it’s physically dangerous for the actual woman.

 

[craig]

What sport does not contain strength and agility?

23-year-old new mom attempts to become 1st woman to win gender-neutral title in ACL cornhole event

The recreational game of cornhole wouldn’t seem to have any characteristics that would give men an inherent advantage over women.

apnews.com

 

[donhughesmusic]

You have promoted the inferior status of women in your post

I never said they were inferior. I said physically they are not stronger or faster biologically. Show me one post where I said they were inferior?

 

[Spock]

How?

No, the best solution is to not reject biological reality.

You are exaggerating the factors and advocating for absolute male superiority.

 

[Spock]

Biology doesn’t care that you don’t like it. It remains reality.

Any biologist understands the diversity of life. You are not a biologist, apparently.

 

[rahl]

You are exaggerating the factors and advocating for absolute male superiority.

Nope. I’m pointing out biological reality.

 

[Spock]

No they haven’t. It’s biological reality that men are faster, stronger and have more endurance than women.

Your argument is that EVERY male is better than all females and necessarily means that women are inferior.

This does not mean women are inferior.

No, that is your strawman.

If you do not believe ALL males are superior, regardless of hormonal status, then you must believe that females are inferior.

 

[rahl]

Any biologist understands the diversity of life. You are not a biologist, apparently.

Yes. They understand that males are biologically faster, stronger and have more endurance than females.

 

[rahl]

Your argument is that EVERY male is better than all females and necessarily means that women are inferior.

This is called a strawman.

If you do not believe ALL males are superior, regardless of hormonal status, then you must believe that females are inferior.

False dichotomy.