The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox[W:164]

[EMNofSeattle]

I see this argument made enough times, that it is worth addressing.

As the gun rights movement has become more effective at defending against assaults by gun banners, the banners have shifted tactics, they are now trying to claim that the political block of people who support gun rights are paranoid, there's scores of people saying "no one is coming for your guns" I've seen a meme image on facebook of an empty room titled "all the guns Obama has confiscated" people will claim "we only want reasonable gun control"

Of course this is smoke and mirrors, the only reason no one is coming for our guns is because gun owners are politically organized and willing to object to anti gun legislation. Obama is even now trying to claim that the NRA doesn't represent gun owners while idolizing laws in Australia and UK that if adopted here would ban all of the top 5 most popular models of firearms.

Make no mistake, once you stop seeing antis as a threat, they will come for your guns, regardless of this bizarre argument they're making now.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

I see this argument made enough times, that it is worth addressing.

As the gun rights movement has become more effective at defending against assaults by gun banners, the banners have shifted tactics, they are now trying to claim that the political block of people who support gun rights are paranoid, there's scores of people saying "no one is coming for your guns" I've seen a meme image on facebook of an empty room titled "all the guns Obama has confiscated" people will claim "we only want reasonable gun control"

Of course this is smoke and mirrors, the only reason no one is coming for our guns is because gun owners are politically organized and willing to object to anti gun legislation. Obama is even now trying to claim that the NRA doesn't represent gun owners while idolizing laws in Australia and UK that if adopted here would ban all of the top 5 most popular models of firearms.

Make no mistake, once you stop seeing antis as a threat, they will come for your guns, regardless of this bizarre argument they're making now.

The only reason they arent
'coming for your guns' is they know they cant. The Constitution is a particularly cumbersome stumbling block for them. It doesnt take too much scratching the surface to see their true intent. But instead, they push for every gun law they can, no matter how many times the laws they push for have been proven to fail.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

Yep - if you like your (government approved and registered) gun then you can keep it. If you take enough classes, pass enough tests and pay enough fees then you can even carry it in (government approved) locations.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

I see this argument made enough times, that it is worth addressing.

As the gun rights movement has become more effective at defending against assaults by gun banners, the banners have shifted tactics, they are now trying to claim that the political block of people who support gun rights are paranoid, there's scores of people saying "no one is coming for your guns" I've seen a meme image on facebook of an empty room titled "all the guns Obama has confiscated" people will claim "we only want reasonable gun control"

Of course this is smoke and mirrors, the only reason no one is coming for our guns is because gun owners are politically organized and willing to object to anti gun legislation. Obama is even now trying to claim that the NRA doesn't represent gun owners while idolizing laws in Australia and UK that if adopted here would ban all of the top 5 most popular models of firearms.

Make no mistake, once you stop seeing antis as a threat, they will come for your guns, regardless of this bizarre argument they're making now.

On top of the assault weapon bans they propose this is another reason how we know the anti-2nd amendment crowd is lying when they say no one is coming for your guns. For people claiming that no one is trying to take away our guns they often cite Australia or the UK as a beacon of good gun control.

 

[Ancient Herald]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

I view it as using tricky language to disarm people who don't' know any better.


What they are really doing is doing what they can to promote so many regulations that it will make it either too expensive to buy them or to put them out of reach.


So that's why it is tricky language.

And obama does have a plan in place to take them away.

 

[opendebate]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

I see this argument made enough times, that it is worth addressing.

As the gun rights movement has become more effective at defending against assaults by gun banners, the banners have shifted tactics, they are now trying to claim that the political block of people who support gun rights are paranoid, there's scores of people saying "no one is coming for your guns" I've seen a meme image on facebook of an empty room titled "all the guns Obama has confiscated" people will claim "we only want reasonable gun control"

Of course this is smoke and mirrors, the only reason no one is coming for our guns is because gun owners are politically organized and willing to object to anti gun legislation. Obama is even now trying to claim that the NRA doesn't represent gun owners while idolizing laws in Australia and UK that if adopted here would ban all of the top 5 most popular models of firearms.

Make no mistake, once you stop seeing antis as a threat, they will come for your guns, regardless of this bizarre argument they're making now.

You do realize how paranoid this post make sound....don't you?

 

[Alban]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

You do realize how paranoid this post make sound....don't you?

There's a clear difference between paranoia and vigilance concerning possible infringements on Constitutionally-protected rights.

 

[radcen]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

The "reasonable gun control" argument is similar to the anti-smoking campaigns. There are people whose true desire is to outlaw smoking and tobacco completely. Unfortunate for them, it is pretty much impossible to accomplish an outright ban. Hence, the tactic is to chip away at smoking small piece by small piece, so that the end result is the same, just not literally codified into law as such. For example, at many colleges now you cannot even legally smoke inside your own car with the windows rolled up while on campus. It's gotten that ridiculous.

Same with gun control. For Constitutional reasons and others, an outright ban would still be literally impossible. But the same tactics are being employed. Chip away piece by piece until gun ownership becomes such a pain in the arse that most will simply give in.

I'm sorry, but I do believe that there indeed are people who would come for everybody's gun given the chance.

 

[DDD]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

I doubt they will take the arms of 2A users. But they should take the arms of 2A abusers.

 

[Citizen.Seven]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

They are staging a war of attrition by making it more difficult to get firearms and firearm accessories. They have been very syccessful, with the NFA, FFL, and NICS programs. Firearm posession, let alone bearing, has many hurdles and barriers to entry even with the right being nominally recognized by the USC via the 2A. If one tenth of the crap applied to the 2nd was applied to the 1st, there would be universal outrage: imagine filling out a 4473 for every new post or book purchase, which is the insane reality of gun owners. Now, there's even the orwellian idea being floated of brain scan requirement for gun purchases.

We, as law-abiding gun owners, are at a decided disadvantage because we actually do follow the laws, no matter how idiotic or repressive they may be, even to the point of endangerment (GFZ). Perhaps it's time we rethink this philosophy.

 

[opendebate]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

There's a clear difference between paranoia and vigilance concerning possible infringements on Constitutionally-protected rights.

until about 7 years ago the 2nd amendment wasn't viewed the way it is today. The argument that it defends your right to own any firearm or ammunition you chose is subjective and hopefully, temporary.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

You do realize how paranoid this post make sound....don't you?

I rest my case.

You can't refute any factual point I make because you know my post is true, so you're doing exactly what I wrote this post to warn about, instead accusing gun rights activists of unwarranted paranoia.

 

[opendebate]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

I rest my case.

You can't refute any factual point I make because you know my post is true, so you're doing exactly what I wrote this post to warn about, instead accusing gun rights activists of unwarranted paranoia.

Exactly what "facts" were in your post?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

until about 7 years ago the 2nd amendment wasn't viewed the way it is today. The argument that it defends your right to own any firearm or ammunition you chose is subjective and hopefully, temporary.

Wow, it hardly took one post and you already revealed your true colors.

I don't know what books you're reading, the second amendment has always been an individual right to possess, the first case law on the subject Nunn v Georgia was decided in the 1840s, my math may be off, but I think that's more then 7 years ago

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

Exactly what "facts" were in your post?

Two points of obamas speeches, that the legislation he idolizes bans popular firearms, a common talking point that is used frequently....

 

[radcen]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

Exactly what "facts" were in your post?

Prove him wrong with facts of your own. Here's your chance.

 

[ecofarm]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

Ignorant people are scared be it guns, drugs or gays. And those ignorant people will swear all day that they know what's best for everyone. I suppose their fear allegedly informs them of such, but fear is no substitute for an education.

 

[Citizen.Seven]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

until about 7 years ago the 2nd amendment wasn't viewed the way it is today. The argument that it defends your right to own any firearm or ammunition you chose is subjective and hopefully, temporary.

Judges had for nearly a century a partisan reading disorder where they interpreted "shall not be infringed" to mean infringed in all sorts of arbitrary and capricious ways because...reasons. Only recently has SCOTUS recovered from this affliction, and I do hope it indicates a cure rather than a fleeting good day in a terminal illness.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

You do realize how paranoid this post make sound....don't you?

The same could be said about people who propose assault weapon bans,extended waiting periods, and other infringements on the 2nd amendment. You have about the same odds of being in a mass shooting as you do having sex with hot identical twins and hand job from Mila Kunis, being struck by lightning and winning the lottery all on the same day.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

The same could be said about people who propose assault weapon bans,extended waiting periods, and other infringements on the 2nd amendment. You have about the same odds of being in a mass shooting as you do having sex with hot identical twins and hand job from Mila Kunis, being struck by lightning and winning the lottery all on the same day.

Can I just say...3 out of four aint bad...

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

You do realize how paranoid this post make sound....don't you?

lets see, in another thread you made the following claims


1) gun owners who refuse to "compromise" are "sociopaths or dicks"

2) you refused to say what the compromise would be but you claimed adults compromise and give up rights

3) you never said what the gun ban side would give up as "compromise"

4) and you never said why compromise would actually deter criminals-rather you refused to answer Saying I wouldn't accept your non-defined demands for compromise

rather you refused to answer and claimed I was "too emotional"

the fact is, gun banners constantly ridicule, insult and belittle gun owners and pretend our rights are what causes all those dead innocents. The level of venom gun banners (and the gun restrictionists who deny they are gun banners [YET]) shows that hate of lawful gun owners is what really motivates them, not a legitimate argument for restricting CRIMINALS. and its obvious if the gun banners on this board ever got into positions of power, they'd want to round up gun owners, jail them or even kill them if said gun owners refused to comply with the silly laws gun banners want to impose

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

The "reasonable gun control" argument is similar to the anti-smoking campaigns. There are people whose true desire is to outlaw smoking and tobacco completely. Unfortunate for them, it is pretty much impossible to accomplish an outright ban. Hence, the tactic is to chip away at smoking small piece by small piece, so that the end result is the same, just not literally codified into law as such. For example, at many colleges now you cannot even legally smoke inside your own car with the windows rolled up while on campus. It's gotten that ridiculous.

Same with gun control. For Constitutional reasons and others, an outright ban would still be literally impossible. But the same tactics are being employed. Chip away piece by piece until gun ownership becomes such a pain in the arse that most will simply give in.

I'm sorry, but I do believe that there indeed are people who would come for everybody's gun given the chance.

the main goal of gun banners is to cause as many people as possible to give up guns as a hobby or recreation and thus stop funding the NRA. the destruction of the NRA and other gun groups as a political force is the main goal. That is why EVERY gun banner or gun hater on this board, and EVERY gun banning or gun restricting organization in the USA are affiliated with or s support politicians whom the NRA actively opposes

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

until about 7 years ago the 2nd amendment wasn't viewed the way it is today. The argument that it defends your right to own any firearm or ammunition you chose is subjective and hopefully, temporary.

and see this comment of yours completely destroys any argument that gun owners are "paranoid".

 

[ecofarm]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

until about 7 years ago the 2nd amendment wasn't viewed the way it is today. The argument that it defends your right to own any firearm or ammunition you chose is subjective and hopefully, temporary.

The 2nd is specific about what arms, those of a militia (read: infantry). Those are reasonably weapons of self defense (the impetus of the 2nd) and weapons of national defense (those beyond infantry) are reserved for the state (because the state is responsible for national defense).

What you want is for the state to be responsible for self defense.

 

[The Penguin]

Re: The "No one is coming for your guns" paradox

Once America decided that 20 dead kids in one morning was bearable, any hope of gun control was put to rest alongside those little coffins.