the more i listen to NEWT the more i lean towards him

[USAMP1970]

I'm not a die hard Ron Paul fan. I am however a die hard patriot and constitutionalist. I recognize that both 'liberals' and so-called 'conservatives' have good ideas.. and some very bad ones. I think the concept of parties and career politicians are detrimential to this country. I am voting Ron Paul... but it's the ideology of liberty I am voting for, not the man. I would also vote for Gary Johnson. If I am forced to vote for a republican in the General, I guess Jon Huntsman will do.
If you cannot wrap your head around why the CIA and the Fed are among the worse things to happen to this country, then I suggest you open your eyes and dig deeper. This is not meant as an insult, but it is unimaginable to me how one could not see the problem there. I guess the saying "we don't even know what we don't know" is applicable here.

I do not dispute that Newt is an intelligent educated man, but so is Obama! Their intent and outlook is what I have a problem with. I am not interested in Newts knowledge of corrouption. I am not interested in who can manuever Congress better. If this country had any sense at all we would collectively, both left and right, storm capitol hill and demand the resignation of 90% of those criminals.
Everyone gets wrapped up in the Presidential election, as if he were the King or Kaiser or Tsar. Most people cannot even name their Representative or Senator.. yet they are the ones that levy taxes and spend our children into slavery.
You mention Obama couldn't get anything passed in Congress. That is like blaming the child for not getting the square peg through the round whole... wrong peg, wrong whole.

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, yet expecting a different result" - Albert Einstein

All I can really say is what I have already said. Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Brother, get on your knees and pay... a thousand more fools are being born... every single day. That is what you will get with Newt. If you respect Newt, you clearly know nothing about him, or are as misguided as he is.
No apologies.

For Sale: nice, antique bridge. Collectors item. Well used, but very popular. Includes used cars and cure-all snake oil. 25% of your income OBO.

 

[Mycroft]

I'm not a die hard Ron Paul fan. I am however a die hard patriot and constitutionalist. I recognize that both 'liberals' and so-called 'conservatives' have good ideas.. and some very bad ones. I think the concept of parties and career politicians are detrimential to this country. I am voting Ron Paul... but it's the ideology of liberty I am voting for, not the man. I would also vote for Gary Johnson. If I am forced to vote for a republican in the General, I guess Jon Huntsman will do.
If you cannot wrap your head around why the CIA and the Fed are among the worse things to happen to this country, then I suggest you open your eyes and dig deeper. This is not meant as an insult, but it is unimaginable to me how one could not see the problem there. I guess the saying "we don't even know what we don't know" is applicable here.

I do not dispute that Newt is an intelligent educated man, but so is Obama! Their intent and outlook is what I have a problem with. I am not interested in Newts knowledge of corrouption. I am not interested in who can manuever Congress better. If this country had any sense at all we would collectively, both left and right, storm capitol hill and demand the resignation of 90% of those criminals.
Everyone gets wrapped up in the Presidential election, as if he were the King or Kaiser or Tsar. Most people cannot even name their Representative or Senator.. yet they are the ones that levy taxes and spend our children into slavery.
You mention Obama couldn't get anything passed in Congress. That is like blaming the child for not getting the square peg through the round whole... wrong peg, wrong whole.

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, yet expecting a different result" - Albert Einstein

All I can really say is what I have already said. Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Brother, get on your knees and pay... a thousand more fools are being born... every single day. That is what you will get with Newt. If you respect Newt, you clearly know nothing about him, or are as misguided as he is.
No apologies.

For Sale: nice, antique bridge. Collectors item. Well used, but very popular. Includes used cars and cure-all snake oil. 25% of your income OBO.

It's all very well and good to blame Congress and demand to change out 90% of the Members to someone more to your liking. But you'll still end up with political haggling, competition and do nothingness unless you have an effective leader as a President. That's just the way it is.

Obama is not an effective leader...Bush was a little better...Clinton was good only because he understood which way the wind was blowing and worked with Newt.

btw, I respect Newt...and I assure you I am not ignorant nor misguided.

 

[The Prophet]

No, I am not voting for Newt. I have been following him for fifteen years. Newt is terribly one-sided in the open, and terribly two-faced behinded close doors. The only decent points Newt has he ripped off from someone else. Lately it has been Ron Paul.
I'm sorry, but anyone that thinks Newt is the smartest man in that room is either incredibly young, incredibly new to politics, or incredibly easy to deceive.

Exactly. I think Gingrich is only pretending to be intellectual. He knows the Washington game inside and out, all the players, and what BS to say to woo voters. Gingrich is just a flavor of the month like Bachmann, Perry, and Cain before him. The establishment is absolutely terrified of Ron Paul's ever growing momentum and electablity. First they built up Bachmann, until she went down in flames, then it was Mr. Forced injections, until the voters got to know him and vehemently rejected him. Then they threw it all into the pizza guru. Due to his rudimentary understanding of basic foriegn policy, and his personal issues, he went down too. It's just a matter of time before Newt goes south.

 

[Fiddytree]

Exactly. I think Gingrich is only pretending to be intellectual. He knows the Washington game inside and out, all the players, and what BS to say to woo voters. Gingrich is just a flavor of the month like Bachmann, Perry, and Cain before him. The establishment is absolutely terrified of Ron Paul's ever growing momentum and electablity. First they built up Bachmann, until she went down in flames, then it was Mr. Forced injections, until the voters got to know him and vehemently rejected him. Then they threw it all into the pizza guru. Due to his rudimentary understanding of basic foriegn policy, and his personal issues, he went down too. It's just a matter of time before Newt goes south.

I thought your strongest argument was the flavor of the month traction. The part about Ron Paul is humorous.

 

[The Prophet]

I thought your strongest argument was the flavor of the month traction. The part about Ron Paul is humorous.

I think the media is inadvertently helping Dr. Paul. They build up all his opposition, then the voters tear them down. One by one, the media is eliminating all of Ron Paul's foes. But Newt is just good at throwing out little "bumper sticker slogans" that get applause from voters. He's been in Washington a very long time, he knows the ins and outs and knows exactly what to say. Exception being his recent gaffe on immigration in the debates, I think that will turn off hard core conservative voters, plus that commerical he did seated next to Pelosi! The Republicans just desperately want an anti-Romney, as he flip flops so much. I don't even know if Mormon Mitt is a liberal or neo con this week!

 

[Gill]

I think the media is inadvertently helping Dr. Paul. They build up all his opposition, then the voters tear them down. One by one, the media is eliminating all of Ron Paul's foes. But Newt is just good at throwing out little "bumper sticker slogans" that get applause from voters. He's been in Washington a very long time, he knows the ins and outs and knows exactly what to say. Exception being his recent gaffe on immigration in the debates, I think that will turn off hard core conservative voters, plus that commerical he did seated next to Pelosi! The Republicans just desperately want an anti-Romney, as he flip flops so much. I don't even know if Mormon Mitt is a liberal or neo con this week!

Paul eliminates himself every time he opens his mouth.

 

[MrMindSpeaker]

I'm not a die hard Ron Paul fan. I am however a die hard patriot and constitutionalist. I recognize that both 'liberals' and so-called 'conservatives' have good ideas.. and some very bad ones. I think the concept of parties and career politicians are detrimential to this country. I am voting Ron Paul... but it's the ideology of liberty I am voting for, not the man. I would also vote for Gary Johnson. If I am forced to vote for a republican in the General, I guess Jon Huntsman will do.
If you cannot wrap your head around why the CIA and the Fed are among the worse things to happen to this country, then I suggest you open your eyes and dig deeper. This is not meant as an insult, but it is unimaginable to me how one could not see the problem there. I guess the saying "we don't even know what we don't know" is applicable here.

I do not dispute that Newt is an intelligent educated man, but so is Obama! Their intent and outlook is what I have a problem with. I am not interested in Newts knowledge of corrouption. I am not interested in who can manuever Congress better. If this country had any sense at all we would collectively, both left and right, storm capitol hill and demand the resignation of 90% of those criminals.
Everyone gets wrapped up in the Presidential election, as if he were the King or Kaiser or Tsar. Most people cannot even name their Representative or Senator.. yet they are the ones that levy taxes and spend our children into slavery.
You mention Obama couldn't get anything passed in Congress. That is like blaming the child for not getting the square peg through the round whole... wrong peg, wrong whole.

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, yet expecting a different result" - Albert Einstein

All I can really say is what I have already said. Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Brother, get on your knees and pay... a thousand more fools are being born... every single day. That is what you will get with Newt. If you respect Newt, you clearly know nothing about him, or are as misguided as he is.
No apologies.

For Sale: nice, antique bridge. Collectors item. Well used, but very popular. Includes used cars and cure-all snake oil. 25% of your income OBO.

you have a bleak outlook on things my friend.

everyone in the country would like to replace congress with people WE think would do a better job, but you see thats the beauty of america, no one person or group gets to run this country!

if you dont see what the problem with abolishing the CIA and FED without having a replacement of some sort in place is then i suggest you open your eyes and learn a little more about what they do and the effect it would play on the country to abolish them.
im all for auditing the fed and putting a leash on of sorts and even raining in the cia some and setting new guidelines and objectives BUT IN NO WAY DO I WANT EXTREMIST RUNNING AROUND WANTING TO KILL ME WITH NO ONE WATCHING THEM!

as far as the election goes and everyone getting all wrapped up in it, thats a good thing. if more people would do it it would be better.
a good leader is what the country needs.

and every president in history had to work with bipartisanship, Obama is no different!

 

[The Prophet]

if you dont see what the problem with abolishing the CIA and FED without having a replacement of some sort in place is then i suggest you open your eyes and learn a little more about what they do and the effect it would play on the country to abolish them.
im all for auditing the fed and putting a leash on of sorts and even raining in the cia some and setting new guidelines and objectives BUT IN NO WAY DO I WANT EXTREMIST RUNNING AROUND WANTING TO KILL ME WITH NO ONE WATCHING THEM!

You seem to be under the impression that getting rid of the criminal enterprise also known as the Federal Reserve Bank, will somehow effect your average American. Your credit and debit cards will still work as usual, money will still be good. The only thing that will change is we will be living within our means and be forced to evacuate from the Middle East. If we didn't have a central bank printing money like it's monopoly money, we'd have to foot the cost of the wars upfront. And to do that, the government would have to raise everyone's taxes drastically. I don't know anyone besides Warren Buffet that wants to pay more taxes. We'd all think mighty hard before rushing off to war.

In 1913, when the FED was initiated d, what you could buy for 1 dollar, now costs $22.81! The FED is privately owned, so it is not under the jurisdiction of the US. It actually prints money, and loans it out to us at a ridiculously high interest rate. So you could say, every single dollar printed is a new tax.

The FED is the reason why we are in such a mess.

 

[disneydude]

And that matters because?

Because Character counts

 

[apdst]

Because Character counts

If that case, then Obama lieing about cutting small business taxes 17 times, will certainly get his ass voted out.

 

[MrMindSpeaker]

You seem to be under the impression that getting rid of the criminal enterprise also known as the Federal Reserve Bank, will somehow effect your average American. Your credit and debit cards will still work as usual, money will still be good. The only thing that will change is we will be living within our means and be forced to evacuate from the Middle East. If we didn't have a central bank printing money like it's monopoly money, we'd have to foot the cost of the wars upfront. And to do that, the government would have to raise everyone's taxes drastically. I don't know anyone besides Warren Buffet that wants to pay more taxes. We'd all think mighty hard before rushing off to war.

In 1913, when the FED was initiated d, what you could buy for 1 dollar, now costs $22.81! The FED is privately owned, so it is not under the jurisdiction of the US. It actually prints money, and loans it out to us at a ridiculously high interest rate. So you could say, every single dollar printed is a new tax.

The FED is the reason why we are in such a mess.

you seem like an intelligent person so how can you sit there and say nothing will change if the fed was ended. the truth is none of us really know exactly how bad it would be and thats the worst part.

how do you know what will happen to the value of the dollar after that, how do you know how all the world markets will react,the truth is we have no clue how bad the financial system will collapse!

until some of the worlds smartest people in monetary policies research and find ways to avoid a melt down there is no way it could be abolished!

 

[poweRob]

And that matters because?

Well he is running in the evangelical party of family values. Running for prez, he can fuggetabout running on that "family values... we are more moral than everyone else" platform the GOP luuuuuuvvvs to run on.

 

[jasonxe]

Even Paul realistically won't end the fed but just diminish it role. His first steps would be doing what he wrote in his bill i imagine Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress) A detail explanation can be found here Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress).

Also a video :-D


and on Ron Paul Myths

Expert Knowledge of the Federal Reserve: Ron Paul is Chairman of the House Domestic Monetary Policy Subcommittee. He has also written a book about the Federal Reserve.5

Money-Printing and Market Distortion Harm the Economy: Ron Paul says that when the Fed manipulates the money supply it "causes all kinds of economic problems."6 For example, he explains that when the Federal Reserve prints money it devalues the existing currency and thus harms those who save.2 Devaluing the currency also lets people who owe money pay it back with less valuable money -- this is really a sort of "default."2 In addition, "[w]hen the Fed artificially lowers [interest] rates, it misrepresents economic conditions and misleads people into making unsound investments. Investments that would not have been profitable beforehand suddenly seem attractive in light of the lower interest rates. These are mal-investments," which translate into the boom-and-bust cycles that many are familiar with today.7

Slowly Eliminate Fed Monopoly/Allow Gold and Silver as Legal Tender: The solution to the problems caused by the Fed is to "End the Fed," as Paul's book advocates. Of course "you don't get rid of the Federal Reserve overnight," he states. "Instead, you introduce "competition," he says.3 Specifically, Ron Paul advocates legalizing "sound money" -- i.e., legalizing the use of gold and silver as legal tender.1

 

[The Prophet]

you seem like an intelligent person so how can you sit there and say nothing will change if the fed was ended. the truth is none of us really know exactly how bad it would be and thats the worst part.

how do you know what will happen to the value of the dollar after that, how do you know how all the world markets will react,the truth is we have no clue how bad the financial system will collapse!

until some of the worlds smartest people in monetary policies research and find ways to avoid a melt down there is no way it could be abolished!

Just because we do not know how the world markets will react, that's not a good enough reason to keep the status quo. The FED has ruined our economy. We did just fine with no central bank before 1913, what makes you think shutting it down would show a different result?

 

[hazlnut]

Re: The Thread Title: The more I listen to Newt, the more I lean towards him...

Gravitation, or gravity, is a natural phenomenon by which physical bodies attract with a force proportional to their mass.

Though, I'm not sure the this applies, as Newt is mostly hot air...

 

[MrMindSpeaker]

Just because we do not know how the world markets will react, that's not a good enough reason to keep the status quo. The FED has ruined our economy. We did just fine with no central bank before 1913, what makes you think shutting it down would show a different result?

thats where we differ my friend!

thats the perfect reason not to just end them! who in their right mind would take that chance?

we would need a panel in place to determine the effects and replacements for anything that would hurt us.

Ron Paul wouldnt even just end them even though thats one of his selling points!

 

[poweRob]

Re: The Thread Title: The more I listen to Newt, the more I lean towards him...

Gravitation, or gravity, is a natural phenomenon by which physical bodies attract with a force proportional to their mass.

Though, I'm not sure the this applies, as Newt is mostly hot air...

Jupiter. Also a gas giant. And Jupiter has 64 confirmed moons.

ergo... jupiter is full of hot gas and has a large gravitational pull.

 

[a351]

Just the opposite for me, I find it hard to differentiate between Gingrich, Romney, and Obama other the top tax rate and meaningless social issues that boil down to semantics.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Just the opposite for me, I find it hard to differentiate between Gingrich, Romney, and Obama other the top tax rate and meaningless social issues that boil down to semantics.

When they are, each and every one, owned largely by the same interests, why in the name of all things holy would any logical person believe that their messages are appreciably different? It is indeed semantics.

 

[lpast]

Like that's a bad thing. And if the country is still called America, then they would still be Americans.

If your saying atheism isnt a bad thing...I wont go there...I dont get into the religious forum wars by choice

 

[MarineTpartier]

What really irks me is that I have a hard time believing that he really believes a word of what he said. He just spews talking points that he thinks will go over well with the base.

EDIT: How the hell can a "secular atheist" country be dominated by "radical Islamists" anyway? Kind of a contradiction.

Because Allah is not the true God. If you believe in a false god then you are an atheist because you believe in no god at all.

 

[MarineTpartier]

I like Ron Paul a lot, however, I do not believe in blindly supporting anyone just because I am a Tea Partier. Ron Pauls foreign policy ideas are abolutely out to lunch. I know the founders said that we shouldn't get involved with other country's affairs. We shouldn't form allegiances with other countries unless during a time of war and for a temporary time. Got all that. However, the one thing the founders did not factor in, and the only thing that is around now-a-days that can change their approach to foreign policy, is nuclear weapons. If we sit back and allow Islamic (I won't say radicals because I think they all are) jihadist's to acquire a nuclear weapon, the world as we know it will end. It may not happen tomorrow or even 10 years from now, but it will happen. We thought this little terrorism thing would go away back in the 80's and look how that reared its ugly head in 2001. As someone who has stared a terrorist in the face in Iraq and Afghanistan, trust me, they do not think in terms of days, weeks, months, or even years. That's their advantage over us. They don't have a short attention span. They think in terms of decades and centuries. These psychopaths will not stop until they see every "Westerner" dead.

 

[fredmertz]

I've been digging into Newt; he's got a lot of publicity and so I wanted to see if I would support him (how exciting it would be for me to support a probable choice for president). Then I found this: New Ron Paul Ad - Newt Gingrich: Serial Hypocrisy | Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee and looked into a lot of the claims. I am disappoint in Newt. He will not get my vote. So far, RP is still the best representation of my views.

 

[fredmertz]

I like Ron Paul a lot, however, I do not believe in blindly supporting anyone just because I am a Tea Partier. Ron Pauls foreign policy ideas are abolutely out to lunch. I know the founders said that we shouldn't get involved with other country's affairs. We shouldn't form allegiances with other countries unless during a time of war and for a temporary time. Got all that. However, the one thing the founders did not factor in, and the only thing that is around now-a-days that can change their approach to foreign policy, is nuclear weapons. If we sit back and allow Islamic (I won't say radicals because I think they all are) jihadist's to acquire a nuclear weapon, the world as we know it will end. It may not happen tomorrow or even 10 years from now, but it will happen. We thought this little terrorism thing would go away back in the 80's and look how that reared its ugly head in 2001. As someone who has stared a terrorist in the face in Iraq and Afghanistan, trust me, they do not think in terms of days, weeks, months, or even years. That's their advantage over us. They don't have a short attention span. They think in terms of decades and centuries. These psychopaths will not stop until they see every "Westerner" dead.

As with most everyone else, this is my biggest question for the Ron Paul campaign. Is it realistic to think that we can adequately defend ourselves from terrorists within our own borders? I've looked at his budget on his website. He does not plan on reducing our defense spending. Just our military spending only by eliminating foreign bases. Do those bases help more than they hurt us? It's very difficult, if not impossible, to quantify. It sounds reasonable in one perspective and sounds absurd in others.

 

[coolwalker]

Gingrich is, by far, the most knowledgeable and the smartest Republican candidate. If I were a Republican, I would likely vote for him in their primaries.

You are allowed to vote for anyone you know. You don't have to consult a membership card.