The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.[W:230]

[joG]

re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.[W:230]

Obviously this is important to me, however I think both sides are getting insane with this stuff.
No, you cannot banish transmen/women from using the correct gender bathrooms. Take that non-sense and get out of here. No, you cannot just decide "Today I'm really the opposite gender" and get a free pass into whatever facility you want to use. Get out of here with that non-sense.

If you are Trans, you MUST respect others. No if and's or but's about it. You want to be treated as a normal person? Act like it. Reagan was right, "Trust but verify". I suggest all Trans folks, need to be in therapy, this is to aide in your transition and ensure you're not harming yourself. This also would allow you to get a small card, that indicates you are in fact, transgender.

What good is a card?

It's trust, for both parties.

Let's say I am out and about, and need to use the ladies room, but someone in there realizes I was born male (I am after all pre-op). I can understand, she may be concerned at the situation. Fine, I can accept that. The cops show up, I pull out my card, she realizes I'm yes, there to use the proper restroom and am no threat, I am calm because while annoying as it might be, nothing will come of it. She might just be hesitant to harrass in the future, and I'll be less concerned about a ruckus if I have to take care of business. Think of it like a handicap sign or other identification. It's not there to single someone out, it's there to let all parties know "it's okay". Once I am fully transitioned, I can keep the card if I like however my DL will show female (that could also be "the card" at that point cause it's not easy to get the M to F on that darn thing.

It will make it far far far less likely then it already IS that a person with devious intent will be in the wrong restroom, and everyone can use the toilet without concern.

That's my compromise solution.

I find the idea that we segregate a little odd considering we think men and women so much the same that boys should be allowed to marry boys. It seems discriminatory. What do you say we put all prisoners in the same jails?

 

[joG]

re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.[W:230]

Sounds reasonable, but I wonder how long it'll take before your suggestion gets equated with Jews having to wear the Star of David in Nazi Germany.

It would be no more discriminatory, i guess.

 

[joG]

re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.[W:230]

So you want this person
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In the women's restroom, because they have a vagina?

I don't think we should have separate restrooms. Why allow discrimination?

 

[jimbo]

re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.[W:230]

Since men sit down a lot to use the restroom, you just argued for men and women to be in the same facility when men aren't doing the stand up thing. Think your wording through a little more.

You know what I mean.

But nit picking is OK also

 

[roguenuke]

re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.[W:230]

okay - after reading through all this and having my previous question answered -and I appreciate that - my conclusion is that ones own plumbing and anatomical elimination equipment should determine which rest room one uses. Penis - use the mens room..... vagina - use the ladies room. And what you may be wearing at the time is irrelevant.

Why though? And do you presume it's impossible for someone to have both? Who gets to check? And why?

 

[haymarket]

re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.[W:230]

Why though? And do you presume it's impossible for someone to have both? Who gets to check? And why?

No checkers. You know what equipment you have.

there are many posts in this thread which do a good job of explaining why we segregate public rest rooms.

 

[roguenuke]

The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.

No checkers. You know what equipment you have.

there are many posts in this thread which do a good job of explaining why we segregate public rest rooms.

But others don't and that's the issue. Transgender people identify as the opposite gender of their original equipment, which means they don't see what's between their legs as what defines them.

No one sees a woman in the restroom while she does her business. We have stall doors. So why should it matter if she has a penis if no one else an see it anyway?

And we wouldn't have these conversations if there weren't people who were trying to be bathroom police.

 

[haymarket]

Re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.

But others don't and that's the issue.

Do you have there results of a vote to report?

Transgender people identify as the opposite gender of their original equipment, which means they don't see what's between their legs as what defines them.

And so 99.99% of people are going to have to change rest room policies for them because a teeny tiny number see that issue differently?

 

[roguenuke]

Re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.

Do you have there results of a vote to report?



And so 99.99% of people are going to have to change rest room policies for them because a teeny tiny number see that issue differently?

Since most people don't care and it is only a small percent that feel offended by it, yes that small but that care whether the person in the stall next to them has something between their legs that they themselves don't have should have to deal with it.

 

[Captain America]

Re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.

You know, with a little creativity, there could be a restroom design that could be practical, classy and ascetically pleasing, that would eliminate the his and her's altogether.

Think about it. Have you ever gone to an outdoor festival or rock concert? The porta potties have no his and hers. The space is minimal which adds security. It caters to both sexes, (or more.)

Who says it has to look like a big blue plastic box with a door? They could be designed in similar fashion, being permanent with proper sanitary plumbing. A creative designer could make it work.

 

[chromium]

re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.[W:230]

I have no reason to take some kind of test. Regardless, it's usually harder to tell FTM's than MTF's.

Btw, why is deception on the general population a good thing? Is it really something we should encourage as a society that women should be able to hide out among men or that men should be able to hide out among women? Should people really not be able to tell them apart? Do you think that kind of thing can lead to people being hurt?

it has far more to do with the individual acting in a way they are comfortable with than trying to deceive anyone, but you're too busy trying to vilify to consider that

 

[chromium]

Re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.

You know, with a little creativity, there could be a restroom design that could be practical, classy and ascetically pleasing, that would eliminate the his and her's altogether.

Think about it. Have you ever gone to an outdoor festival or rock concert? The porta potties have no his and hers. The space is minimal which adds security. It caters to both sexes, (or more.)

Who says it has to look like a big blue plastic box with a door? They could be designed in similar fashion, being permanent with proper sanitary plumbing. A creative designer could make it work.

because not everywhere is an outdoor festival....aesthetics is far from the only issue with using those indoors

 

[Captain America]

Re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.

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[chromium]

re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.[W:230]

^yeah cause that's not outdoors at all and everyone will be comfortable like that with bicyclists passing by and no way to take a dump in private. Those are for a very specific situation in a country where pissing on the sidewalk is totally legal, aka they were built as a deterrent

you're trying to re-invent the wheel for no reason. If you're at an indoor stadium or a campus building or at work and the fear of someone lgbt seeing your junk for a few seconds is terrifying, just go in a ****ing stall. Don't demand someone go hours and hours without using a restroom, or be the only one dressed as the opposite sex and risk getting beaten for it

 

[Henrin]

re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.[W:230]

it has far more to do with the individual acting in a way they are comfortable with than trying to deceive anyone, but you're too busy trying to vilify to consider that

They are pretty much tied together. If they can't get people to see them as the opposite sex then the entire treatment is a failure. In fact, if you look at where the treatment is going it becomes even more clear that it's about making the illusion even more complete and making it harder for other people to know the difference

 

[CLAX1911]

re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.[W:230]

Obviously this is important to me, however I think both sides are getting insane with this stuff.
No, you cannot banish transmen/women from using the correct gender bathrooms. Take that non-sense and get out of here. No, you cannot just decide "Today I'm really the opposite gender" and get a free pass into whatever facility you want to use. Get out of here with that non-sense.

If you are Trans, you MUST respect others. No if and's or but's about it. You want to be treated as a normal person? Act like it. Reagan was right, "Trust but verify". I suggest all Trans folks, need to be in therapy, this is to aide in your transition and ensure you're not harming yourself. This also would allow you to get a small card, that indicates you are in fact, transgender.

What good is a card?

It's trust, for both parties.

Let's say I am out and about, and need to use the ladies room, but someone in there realizes I was born male (I am after all pre-op). I can understand, she may be concerned at the situation. Fine, I can accept that. The cops show up, I pull out my card, she realizes I'm yes, there to use the proper restroom and am no threat, I am calm because while annoying as it might be, nothing will come of it. She might just be hesitant to harrass in the future, and I'll be less concerned about a ruckus if I have to take care of business. Think of it like a handicap sign or other identification. It's not there to single someone out, it's there to let all parties know "it's okay". Once I am fully transitioned, I can keep the card if I like however my DL will show female (that could also be "the card" at that point cause it's not easy to get the M to F on that darn thing.

It will make it far far far less likely then it already IS that a person with devious intent will be in the wrong restroom, and everyone can use the toilet without concern.

That's my compromise solution.

I don't think there is an issue to be resolved. I think it's issues being made up. Cross dressers and men that want to be women have existed for millennia. There is nothing new here accept the lack of hushed tones and evasion of the topic.

The only thing that has changed is we are no longer able to ignore the contents of the bag the cat was in.

We don't need to change anything, let's just go on like nothing is different, because what really is?

 

[roguenuke]

re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.[W:230]

They are pretty much tied together. If they can't get people to see them as the opposite sex then the entire treatment is a failure. In fact, if you look at where the treatment is going it becomes even more clear that it's about making the illusion even more complete and making it harder for other people to know the difference

That's the persons problem though. There are people who don't want to acknowledge people who are of a certain sex as being that sex due to what they wear or how they act in relation to how the perceiver believe they should look or act.

 

[haymarket]

Re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.

Since most people don't care and it is only a small percent that feel offended by it, yes that small but that care whether the person in the stall next to them has something between their legs that they themselves don't have should have to deal with it.

Do you have the results of a vote to report stating those things?

 

[roguenuke]

Re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.

Do you have the results of a vote to report stating those things?

Do you? You claimed 99.9% of the people would have to change bathroom policies. Yet I'm telling you that most people don't care. It's called observation.

 

[Lovebug]

re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.[W:230]

Obviously this is important to me, however I think both sides are getting insane with this stuff.
No, you cannot banish transmen/women from using the correct gender bathrooms. Take that non-sense and get out of here. No, you cannot just decide "Today I'm really the opposite gender" and get a free pass into whatever facility you want to use. Get out of here with that non-sense.

If you are Trans, you MUST respect others. No if and's or but's about it. You want to be treated as a normal person? Act like it. Reagan was right, "Trust but verify". I suggest all Trans folks, need to be in therapy, this is to aide in your transition and ensure you're not harming yourself. This also would allow you to get a small card, that indicates you are in fact, transgender.

What good is a card?

It's trust, for both parties.

Let's say I am out and about, and need to use the ladies room, but someone in there realizes I was born male (I am after all pre-op). I can understand, she may be concerned at the situation. Fine, I can accept that. The cops show up, I pull out my card, she realizes I'm yes, there to use the proper restroom and am no threat, I am calm because while annoying as it might be, nothing will come of it. She might just be hesitant to harrass in the future, and I'll be less concerned about a ruckus if I have to take care of business. Think of it like a handicap sign or other identification. It's not there to single someone out, it's there to let all parties know "it's okay". Once I am fully transitioned, I can keep the card if I like however my DL will show female (that could also be "the card" at that point cause it's not easy to get the M to F on that darn thing.

It will make it far far far less likely then it already IS that a person with devious intent will be in the wrong restroom, and everyone can use the toilet without concern.

That's my compromise solution.

I like that.
First, let me apologize to everyone who has to wait using the facilities. If I had to wait until someone checks my card, we would have a severe flooding issue. Don't get in my way when I gotta go. I can always apologize later.
Do I use the handicap stall sometimes? Yes of course. We all have to wait our turn, even those who need special accommodations. So if someone in a wheelchair has to wait a few minutes, so be it.
Have I ever used the room with the boy sign? Yup, when no one was watching and I had to pee really bad.
The ladies room is usually very busy. If no one is in the men's room, why not sneak in? Problem is, boys can't aim, so the facilities stink....bad.
Would I worry about encountering a person in transition? Probably not. The problem is, there are some people out there with ill intent. We should have a discussion about them. If I am in a ladies room, and someone comes in who seems more male than female...I don't know the person, and I can't check the plumbing or have a lengthy conversation about what is going on....of course I feel uncomfortable, possibly even threatened.
Is carrying a card the answer? It may help. I may still be cautious. Forgive me. It is nothing personal.
If you still have male plumbing, please do sit or clean up the sprinkles when failing to aim. Part of the transition.

 

[haymarket]

Re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.

Do you? You claimed 99.9% of the people would have to change bathroom policies. Yet I'm telling you that most people don't care. It's called observation.

Do you have some data to support that claim?

My 99.99 % number is simple - today public rest rooms are used by the gender designated for their use. You want to change that and thus disrupt everyone else.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.

Do you have some data to support that claim?

My 99.99 % number is simple - today public rest rooms are used by the gender designated for their use. You want to change that and thus disrupt everyone else.

yes simply made up lol

 

[haymarket]

Re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.

yes simply made up lol

Its simple reality. Where is the public clamor to change public rest room policy?

 

[AGENT J]

Re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.

1.)Its simple reality.
2.) Where is the public clamor to change public rest room policy?

1.) yes i agree the reality is you made it up
2.) doesnt need to be one and that has NOTHING to do with your factually false claims.

Do you have some data to support that claim?

My 99.99 % number is simple - today public rest rooms are used by the gender designated for their use. You want to change that and thus disrupt everyone else.

Both factually false, like i said, you made it up. Now you can try to correct it, or restate it but what you said was factually false. :shrug:

 

[haymarket]

Re: The "Men in the womens restroom" problem, a solution.

1.) yes i agree the reality is you made it up
2.) doesnt need to be one and that has NOTHING to do with your factually false claims.



Both factually false, like i said, you made it up. Now you can try to correct it, or restate it but what you said was factually false. :shrug:

WOW!!!!! But that not only went over your head but it is orbiting and returning soon!!!!! The point I was making with the obviously hyperbolic number is that I see absolutely NO public clamor for opening up public restrooms to either gender who wants to use them.

And I have repeatedly asked for evidence to the contrary and you nor anyone else can provide it.