Now imagine how often this happens. People that do nasty/tricky things are good at not getting caught. How many more deaths have come from the hands of someone that wants to rack up their kill count using civs?
ted bundy, john wayne gacy, jeffrey dahmer, dennis rader (aka BTK killer), the list goes on and on.
Who exactly is this THEY and WE you speak of? THEY, being the actual people that kill or maim ARE terrorists...or murderers. I dont know of this mythical 'we'.
I question the claim that owning to what is likely to come out anyway is allowing "the enemy an IO weapon". If the military owns it quickly, apologise voluntarily and take actions to prosecute the soldiers promptly, that will give a better impression of the military and reenforce the arguement that this kind of action is not condoned by the US military and weaken any attempt by the other side to use the situation to inflame anti-US sentiments in Afghanistan.
I see nothing wrong with what I said in my OP. If some posters take what I said as bashing every US Soldier and Military. Then that is on them and their own problem.
I think I have every right to post this story and highlight it considering it's impact is international and my criticisms regarding the delay and the alleged attempt at hiding it is very valid.
This is just a attempt by some to try and hide/divert it under the guise of "bash the US thread" so they do not have to face what the contents of the story holds :shrug:
Now imagine how often this happens. People that do nasty/tricky things are good at not getting caught. How many more deaths have come from the hands of someone that wants to rack up their kill count using civs? Why are THEY terrorists but WE aren't when our people do this? Are Arabs so non-human that we have to enable situations that can allow this? How can anyone argue that we are in Afgan for the greater good? Its just full of kids with really, really big and dangerous toys.
Does not matter. Taking photos in such a manner is at best disgusting and morally wrong, and at worst a political and PR mine field for the US. No matter how legit they were, the very fact that there are photos is enough to label all the kills as "innocent civilians" or what ever tag the opposition wants to place on it.
Like it or not, these soldiers are not only possible criminals but they have put the lives of every NATO and US solider in Afghanistan at risk and dishonored the US military. It is a political and PR nightmare for any US administration regardless of political leaning.
I just don't understand when it crosses the line into atrocity. 1,000s of civilians have been killed in every U.S. military conflict. Why is it suddenly evil when these guys do it?
I write clearly and you didn't misunderstand me. I read the entire article. Laila cherry-picked her OP. She focused exclusively on the killings and photos without a single word on investigations, arrests, charges filed, and courts-martial.If you are saying the reason this thread was posted on DP was to demonize the U.S. military, I disagree. I might have posted this thread, and I have nothing but respect for the U.S. Military. But maybe I misunderstand you.
Isn't that called involuntary manslaughter? I would really like to see you explain that to the family. "I'm sorry I killed your son. But it was an accident. I was trying to kill some other people and he got in the way." Anyway, the bombing of Germany and Japan was intentional. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were definitely intentional. Intentionally killing civilians seems to be fine as long as its deemed to be for the good of the mission. Why does it become wrong when you lose that abstract notion of a greater good? It really isn't that much of a leap.
the trials are already underway, and apparently have been for some time; and have been public knowledge for some time. like Abu Ghraib, it appears that the mainstream media wasn't interested in carrying this story unless they had shocking pictures to lead with. it's the pictures that are problematic, not the information.
Very rarely. While they may be good at not getting caught, the military is good at catching them. "We" are not terrorists because "we" did not do this, and in fact "our" rules say that this is not to be done, and "we" are persecuting those who did it. Arabs are in fact so human that "we" are charging these guys with murder for killing them. Those kids with big, dangerous toys are better than 90 % of the rest of this country and you do a serious disservice to those kids when you suggest they are all like the ones in this story.
I write clearly and you didn't misunderstand me. I read the entire article. Laila cherry-picked her OP. She focused exclusively on the killings and photos without a single word on investigations, arrests, charges filed, and courts-martial.
I don't forget certain things. This is the same poster who suggested that a Pakistani diplomat should murder US citizens as blood payment for Raymond Allen Davis.
There is nothing debatable here. It seems to me that the main intent of the OP is to demonize the US military.
Proper balance. But then again, balance doesn't seem to be your forté.And why do you think this?
Proper balance. But then again, balance doesn't seem to be your forté.
Who is? But some are far more unbalanced than others. Pssst... check out your siggy.Also, you aren't so balanced yourself.
Who is? But some are far more unbalanced than others. Pssst... check out your siggy.
That is f**ked up, and the girl looks naked... they covered her with a coat. wtf. These people are sick.
I can't imagine why the did that... they were just in a war zone, killing people, and were desensitized?
Minor correction: it's not a girl. "...body of Gul Mudin, the son of a farmer..."
Please, tell me, where/how does she even allude to wanting to "demonize the US military."
Also, you aren't so balanced yourself.
.. and posed with their dead bodies.
Afghan Abu Ghraib ... except worse :/
Wouldn't blame Afghans if they got violent against the Soldiers. Some of the photos are just horrible and just imagine ... there was 4,000 found.
I'm not even going to post the photos. It should be in the link.
The 'Kill Team' Images: US Army Apologizes for Horrific Photos from Afghanistan - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
I don't know which bit is the worst part. The idea the photos were attempted to be hidden by the US or the apology only came when they got leaked :doh
Edit: Please merge if a thread has already been made on it. Couldn't see it on BN
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