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The job market is a joke. Job interviews are like a root canal.

reinaert said:
I talked my youngest out of plumbing and into plumbing supply. He was just into his twenties at $80k to start. Plus about $15k (+$5 if he took half into his 401k) in profit sharing each Feb.
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Probably a good idea! :)
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
I can see you've never hung industrial conduit or pulled wire. Forty feet in the air on a scissor lift. I have. Its hard dangerous work.


. Sure its not real tough to go into a house and switch out a breaker panel.

The trades suck, just about exclusively. Roofing, siding, plumbing, electrical, framing, I've done every bit of that. Concrete is one of the worst. Masonry.

You dont want to spend any real time doing that.
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I’m a commercial plumber. I’ve done stuff just like that, but most of the work is fairly easy and on the ground. They make backhoes for digging and lifts so you can stand on a platform and pull wire. They also make laborers and apprentices to do most of the physical work. Sure I’ve got tools on my truck but they are mostly for show.
 
reinaert said:
During covid, I went on a ladder for a year. House painting and building/restoring decks. Great for my physique, bad for my lower back and knees. I also powerwashed myself off a ladder from too far up to be funny.
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Yeah. Its dangerous shit. We had a young college kid working for us, great athlete on scholarship, took a 35 foot fall off a scaffold while laboring on a roof job.
Didnt kill him. Screwed him up for life though. I think it ruined his athletic scholarship. Its just brutal dangerous work.

Even if you're real careful there are constantly idiots all around you who are not. I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy.
 
instagramsci said:
Oh sorry I've been spending all my time with my thumb firmly panted up my rear. Thanks, it never occurred to me that getting a job requires doing anything else
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Yeah, their reply really was not helpful at all.


Something you could consider is bookkeeping or accounting. I hate to suggest it, but look into tax preparation, etc. Your local community college may have classes that you can take that would help you to pick up those type of skills at low cost.


Another thought is nursing. There are ALWAYS a shortage of nurses...and you could start out with an associates degree (LPN or CNA) and build from there.
 
tshade said:
Disagree. It is reality. The first person who makes excuses, loses. No one owes you a job. You look for the opportunities you want, and if you can't find them , you MAKE them. LUCK is where opportunity meets preparation.
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You got some free capital laying around to start a business? I take cashapp, paypal, venmo. A cashier's check.
 
brianpatrick said:
I’m a commercial plumber. I’ve done stuff just like that, but most of the work is fairly easy and on the ground. They make backhoes for digging and lifts so you can stand on a platform and pull wire. They also make laborers and apprentices to do most of the physical work. Sure I’ve got tools on my truck but they are mostly for show.
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So yeah after you've been doing it for years you may work into something easier physically. What I'm saying is avoid that. Go into something physically easier to begin with.
 
reinaert said:
Nah. Came in really hot, there, shade.
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This 20s-30s generation needs to get out and start shaking hands----getting involved. Yeah---it burns me when I hear excuses, and job seekers blaming something besides themselves.

The #1 job creator is the person you see in the mirror.
 
reinaert said:
Don't remember anything but landing on my stinging feet, a guttural howl in my throat, and my friend telling me he'd warned me.
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Well I'm glad you survived. Safety is important, we're constantly making sure the guys are safe! But, you know, you could get hit by a car on the way to your office job, nothings free from accidents. It's just a decent pay for little to no schooling for a lot of people who don't want the office life. There are those people who don't think a cubical is where they want to spend most of their lives. Thankfully there are jobs for everyone, depending on what you like.
 
tshade said:
This 20s-30s generation needs to get out and start shaking hands----getting involved
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You're wearing rose colored glasses projecting an image onto a world that no longer exists

People don't pound the pavement anymore

Very few employers hire anyone off the street. I've tried. I get directed to websites to apply
 
BirdinHand said:
Yeah, their reply really was not helpful at all.


Something you could consider is bookkeeping or accounting. I hate to suggest it, but look into tax preparation, etc. Your local community college may have classes that you can take that would help you to pick up those type of skills at low cost.


Another thought is nursing. There are ALWAYS a shortage of nurses...and you could start out with an associates degree (LPN or CNA) and build from there.
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Also, grant writer. Helps if there's solid bookkeeping exp/training, but you can make 10 to 20% per grant, and there are a lot of NFPs desperate for grant writers.

I didn't go into accounting (which I like doing) because my dickhead of a mother is an accountant.


Me <---- stupid.

Anyway, @instagramsci. Seriously, check out your union locals if you have some spare hours. I would recommend going to their halls/business ofcs. Might be something for you that route.
 
instagramsci said:
No

That's flattering but I don't consider myself to be exceptionally intelligent. More that I realize where my limits are intellectually, rather than being a victim of dunning-kruger

No
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Take a coding bootcamp! I know a few people who got pretty decent jobs after doing that at a University, coding for them. They make a good amount, enough to live for sure.
 
instagramsci said:
No

That's flattering but I don't consider myself to be exceptionally intelligent. More that I realize where my limits are intellectually, rather than being a victim of dunning-kruger

No
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You know what I'm thinking about doing?

Lying my mother****ing ass off. Doctoring up a big phony resume`. Trying to bullshit my way into a great position like they do in the movies. Hey its possible. What are they going to do? Throw you in jail for bullshitting your ass off through an interview?

But I'm an older guy now. I have that against me. I made it big back in the "green rush" when it was still 5 grand a pound. I have an IT degree but never worked in the field. I was making too much money with horticulture.

Now the bottom is out of that and I'm looking for a new angle. The nice honest guy always finishes last. And nobody is looking for a guy nearing retirement age. Thats where I'm at. Gonna have to come up with something pretty soon.
 
TheGoverness said:
Wow, that's so rude. Don't even bother commenting if you aren't going to say anything helpful.

What is it with your posts and constantly lecturing people?
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I am not trying to be rude or lecture. I am giving you the best advice out there. Follow it and you will succeed. Remember, that person in the mirror is the #1 job creator in the world. Sorry I came off as rude. Good luck (but remember, "luck" is being prepared and finding an opportunity that meets that preparation).
 
instagramsci said:
You're wearing rose colored glasses projecting an image onto a world that no longer exists

People don't pound the pavement anymore

Very few employers hire anyone off the street. I've tried. I get directed to websites to apply
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People hire who they KNOW....period. You have to do something that makes you stand out from the 300 applications.
 
tshade said:
I am not trying to be rude or lecture. I am giving you the best advice out there. Follow it and you will succeed. Remember, that person in the mirror is the #1 job creator in the world. Sorry I came off as rude. Good luck (but remember, "luck" is being prepared and finding an opportunity that meets that preparation).
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Oh, please. Don't play the "I wasn't trying to be rude" card.

You very obviously were, just like all your other posts full of all caps and screaming.

Even in this comment you're writing something so obviously condescending. 🙄
 
instagramsci said:
That's flattering but I don't consider myself to be exceptionally intelligent.
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You are. I noticed that. Dont cut yourself short. Yes its good to avoid DunningKruger, but you arent like that. I'm serious. 🤷‍♂️
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
So yeah after you've been doing it for years you may work into something easier physically. What I'm saying is avoid that. Go into something physically easier to begin with.
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I have to wonder why physical work is something people avoid like the plague. lol
 
instagramsci said:
I'll give it a try
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And if you have a car - gig jobs can help pay the bills.

Instacart, DoorDash, Shipt, etc....depending on where you live....don't require putting other people in your vehicle and you can pick what hours, etc. you want to work.
 
Ginger Ale said:
I have to wonder why physical work is something people avoid like the plague. lol
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If you saw some roofers that I know that are now crippled and cant walk because they crawled around on a roof for 30 years, or theyre literally crippled and disabled from a fall or some such injury, you wouldn't ask that question. Its very hard on your body.
 
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